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Show stops and turn-out
I've voted in the "how do you stop" poll that's now active, but it got me thinking again about show stops (a.k.a. tango stops, dance stops).
I can't do one. Last year I witnessed a beginning-level skater attempt them, and within a few days, she had the show stop down pat. This young teenager also could do a spread-eagle glide without strain. When I watched her perform the show stop, it was apparent that she had a LOT of turn-out in her stopping foot. Her toes were turned past a right angle to the path of travel. The tail of her stopping blade preceeded the toe pick substantially. Here's my thesis: I now believe that substantial turn-out is essential for doing this stop. Because my turn-out is poor, chances are I'll never master this stop. Even standing on dry ground and placing my right foot in front of my left, I can't get the right toes to go to 90 degrees - let alone past that. If you have this stop in your skating arsenal, how would you rate your turn-out? Do your toes turn past 90 degrees?
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I was thinking about starting the very same thread!
I agree with your analysis; I can T-stop but can't show stop, and have 90 degrees of turn-out at most.
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I only learned a tango stop last year. It's taken me a year to be able to do it consistently on one side only, but I don't trust myself to do it well enough to use it regularly. FWIW, I don't have great turnout - I can do a decent inside spreadeagle, but the Bauer and outside eagles are beyond me at this point.
Do you want some tips on learning the tango stop?
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I don't have the modest turn-out for even inside spreadeagles. I'm seriously turn-out challenged.
If you have tips, I'd love to hear them. I would assume exercises to increase turn-out would also be beneficial.
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On show stops... trust me! I have a horrible turn out (can't even do inside spread eagles... yet!!!) and if you can do a T-Stop, you have the turn out for a show stop! It's not just a matter of the turn out, but on which part of your body is on your weight transfer as you are stopping and which part of the foot you're scraping.
I wish I could explain the rest, but my show stops aren't that great, but they exists at least!
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Here's my ten-step program for Tango stops. It worked for me, I hope it works for you. (NB: This is for a right-foot-stopping version. Switch the instructions if you want to do a left-foot stop.)
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Thanks for those tips!
I'll print that out and practice the steps next time I skate. (Wish there were some local ice available, I'd to it today!)
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And, by the way, turnout comes from your hips not your feet. And within the context of what you're born with, it is definitely something you can work on and improve some.
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Exercises would certainly be worth it to restore some flexibility and turn-out.
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I can do it at slow speed, and I have very very closed hips. I have to get a lot of kneebend to do it and focus on, well, kind of like leading with the heel if that makes any sense... I'm confident I'll learn it though. It's like with the mohawks, closed hips don't make it impossible to learn something, just a little harder. On the bright side, I kind of suspect closed hips help on the in-air position on the jumps.
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Some were to increase turnout, if I remember correctly.
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Interesting thoughts. I have decent turn out and can do tango stops, outside eagles, and outside bauers. I like the tango stops better than t-stops (which I abandoned after the test) because there's no chance of stepping on your front blade!
One suggestion I have, (which by the way is how I stopped for the start of my interp this year) is a one footed kind of side tango or almost side hockey stop. The stopping foot is in front and open and the free leg is to the back and side. If you do this with the free foot extended more to the front you can also go from a brief stop - cross free foot in front and go to back crossovers. It's also quite nice to do as a pair.
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I'm glad you posted this - I can't do these AT ALL and I really want to. I can do the turnout, but the edge just launches me in the opposite direction!
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If you want to goof around with it on Friday, I'll hang with you before your lesson.
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Ooh! I do! I just got my skates sharpened though - eek
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Two good stretches for turnout are the frog stretch and the ballet plie. Frog stretch: Lie face down on the floor, a mat, or your bed. Bend your knees and put the soles of your feet together. Let the weight of your body gradually open up your hips so that your pelvis gets closer and closer to the floor. Don't worry, you don't need to be able to get your pelvis flat to the floor in order to get 180 degree turnout in a standing position (the girl in this picture has *very* open hips!) Plie: I like to do these on the ice against the boards after warming up a little. I start in a demi plie position, like the picture on the right--feet apart and turned out against the base of the boards, with my knees bent. Then I press my pelvis forward as I slowly straighten my legs half way. The inside of my knees stays pressed against the boards the entire time to make sure my knees are facing the same direction as my feet (very important so you don't damage your knees). After a few of these, I straighten my legs completely, with pelvis and inside of thighs pushed forward against the boards in outside spread eagle position. Then I'm ready to do spread eagles and Ina Bauers.
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Just remember, if you do the exercise posted above (the one in the nice nude body suit ) that the turn out HAS to come from the hips. I can force my knees and ankles into that position, but it is NOT correct, and it is BAD for you- it's extremely important turn out comes from the hips, not below them.
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Thanks Doubletoe - a picture is worth a thousand words (or as Sessy once said, one word=one milli-picture).
I remember my college days when I signed up for a Judo phys-ed class, and of course SERIOUS stretching was a part of every lesson. We did something similar to the frog stretch you picture...except we had to sit on the floor, put our feet together in front of us, grab our ankles, push knees down to the floor with our elbows, and lean forward to touch our foreheads to our feet. Hold for a count of 15 seconds. I just tried it here at home (38 years later) - OUCH! NO WAY! I'll have to sneak up on some of these exercises!
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I have terrible turnout (can't do a spread eagle or ina bauer to save my life), but I can do a tango stop on either foot. Left foot front is easier, as is left foot back for T-stops.
I am right handed and skate CCW, but I'm left-eye dominant so I have some crossover in directional preference. |
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Somebody photoshop some pants on that man, lol.
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