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Cannon ball spin
Does anyone else here do this spin? I absolutely love it, but don't see it all that often. Does anyone also know what level it is considered? Mine has been consistent, and it is my favorite to do because it is so fun.
Also, are there any other pre-pre skaters doing this spin? |
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It's a feature so if you can do another difficult position with it, then it will be L2. It's become very popular to do with a broken leg.
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It becomes a level 2 if you add another feature, as Techskater said. Two features you might consider are grabbing your free foot and pulling up into a Y spin afterwards, or starting the spin as a reverse sitspin before going into the cannonball.
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I've never heard of this, can someone describe it?
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i'm a pre pre skater and i just started working on it. it's fun but its reeeally hard to center!
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Edit to add: This is what wikipedia shows as a cannonball- and more what I was thinking of. Is this not what others consider to be a cannonball spin? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...n_-_piruet.JPG
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The Cannonball spin is actually my favorite spin to do. Lucinda Ruh was famous for it and Johnny Weir has one of the best cannonball positions I've ever seen. Someone said that it is tough to center and they are right. But think of it like this: sit in a chair and cross your left leg over your right so that your left ankle is resting on your right knee. This creates a triangular opening between your knees. Place your left arm in that opening as you bend forward at the waist and attempt to rest your chest against your bent right leg. Your right arm rests on the other side of your right leg. This is the position for a back cannonball spin. The better your flexibility, the better the position will look. It will make you dizzy at first. Just don't fall over on your head. (Not Fun) I think it is sometimes called a pancake spin too. Cannonball sounds better.
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I have heard this name used interchangeably for the spin I've described. Cannonball/Pancake doesn't really matter to me so long as I learn to do it well.
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I always got confused, too, but apparently, this is how the terms seem to be defined among most skaters these days:
Cannonball: Sitspin with free leg extended straight out, hands holding free leg ankle and chest and face flat down to free leg thigh. This is what jshbo724 is working on. Pancake or mushroom spin: Sitspin with free leg bent and opened out, ankle or free foot resting on spinning knee, chest and head down (this is what is shown in the Wikipedia photo)
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I've heard what I call a cannonball spin be called a pancake spin, but this thread is the first instance that I've heard cannonball as a sort of sit spin.
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Really? So the "pancake" cannonball isn't considered an upright spin? I guess the leg is bent a bit- but not nearly to the extent of a sit spin, it doesn't seem.
Edit- I noticed someone changed the wiki entry to show that both can be called cannonball, and to change the photo to call it pancake
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And yes, if a pancake is done with the butt higher than the skating knee, it will not count as a sitspin variation, but instead as an upright spin variation. Not sure if it would be counted as a difficult variation of an upright spin or not.
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Here's my cannon ball:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pzVA1S_S1ZY So would this spin still count in a pre-pre competition program? |
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BTW, I thought there was an age limit for competing at Pre-pre (below 13?).
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And jshbo, I'm not really familiar with pre-pre (back when I skated it, you could win with only jumps as high as a loop!), but if you're not using the new judging system, then you certainly won't get penalized for it -- the judges will most likely reward you for having more difficult spins. And it looked to me, on that one at least, that your butt was low enough to count as a difficult variation of a sit spin (of course, you need another variation to get a level 2). |
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There is for juv, 13 and below.If you are older than 13 you compete in op0en juv. Interme is 18 And to be honest, alot of the 6.0 comps, pre juv and under are being judged by the judges that do the IJS. Its still under 6.0 but I think they are viewed more under the new system.Might as well get used to it. |
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