ALL levels through and including Masters Senior. I agree...it can be and is confusing.

Dumb question but....

How does this impact the current adult moves cross over to Adult moves rule that is in place? Meaning... if I have never tested before, do I have the option of just taking the adult standard track moves all the way thru and qualify to test the Adult FS (i.e. never taking the Adult Track MIF? And if so, which moves to which Adult FS level? Same as before?)

And yes, I have thought about crossing over and testing standard moves on and off for years, but given my limited skating time/resource/etc... I have had to pick doing Adult MIF to qualify for Adult FS tests (and therefore Adults Sectional and National.)

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I want to say standard moves tests allow you to take corresponding adult freestyle tests (pre-pre moves-->pre-bronze free, prelim moves-->bronze free, etc etc), but I don't know if this is the case from the start, or if it only really applies if you're far along in moves when you start testing freestyle. I've never taken an adult moves test, but when I decided to start freestyle, I was already through my novice moves from when I was a teenager, so I never had to take an adult moves test.

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By adult standard track, I assume you mean the standard track moves at the adult standard.

It doesn't exist all the way through. Adult passing averages start at Intermediate, if I'm reading the information correctly. So pre-pre through juv there is only one passing score. If you want to do those tests at the "adult" levels, you need to take the adult pre-bronze through gold tests, which presumably cover the same moves (more or less). There is now a "Master's" score for the pre-bronze through gold tests for 50+, but there are no adult or master's scores for pre-pre through juv.

Seriously? Because at the earliest points I kind of think the adult tests are harder, since they incorporate skills from the higher tests (although at the lower score). By just taking the pre-pre test you've done a MUCH easier test than adult pre-bronze. No crossovers, no 3-turn pattern.

The moves on preliminary are kind of different than Bronze, so maybe they are more equivalent (spirals on edges and those awful 3 turns are probably equal to 5-step mohawk and the perimeter stroking patterns), so maybe that's not too bad of a crossover point.

Pre-Pre moves (scored on pass/retry)
Forward Perimeter Stroking
Basic Edges
Straightline Spirals
Waltz Eight

Pre-Bronze moves (scored pass/retry)
Forward Perimeter Stroking
Basic Edges
Forward/Backward Crossovers
Forward 3-turn pattern
Waltz Eight

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(I'm trying to find this in the rulebook and can't... the pre-pre freeskate test qualifies you to compete pre-bronze, prelim-bronze, pre-juv-silver, juv-gold.

Ah here:
and written another way in a different rule:
That makes sense- it basically if you've passed one level "higher" in the standard track you don't have to back track on the adult tests.

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Yes, you can use the standard track moves tests to take Adult FS tests, but the crossover is not direct - Pre-Pre does not qualify you for Pre-Bronze, Prelim does (b/c there is a Prelim move on Pre-Bronze MIF). To take Bronze FS, you have to either pass Bronze MIF or Pre-Juv MIF. Juv qualifies you for Silver and Int qualifies you for Gold. Because the rules changed a couple of years ago to allow adult skaters with only standard track FS tests to compete in the corresponding Adult levels, the MIF crossover rule is really only useful for skaters who tested standard track MIF as kids (or under-21 adults) and want to take the Adult FS tests.

Yes, and this is why I have a problem with using only standard track testing to compete in Pre-Bronze through Gold. I understand the rationale, and I am fully in favor of crossover rules that allow those who tested at the lower levels as kids to compete w/o having to take the MIF tests all over again, but I think they should have to fulfill the requirements for Adult FS tests (and if they're going to compete, they'll have a program anyway so an FS test is not that big a deal). The way it's set up now, it's easier to do standard track - for example, skaters can compete in Bronze w/o having to pass 3 Pre-Juv moves. I know the passing avg is the same on Bronze and Prelim, but as we've discussed many times, there isn't always an 'adult standard' - like everything else, it depends on the judge. And the forward and back perimeter stroking and 5-step are more complex (IMO) than any of the Prelim moves (and yes, I have tested both tracks)...even at the 2.5 standard.

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I'm definitely not a fan of the 3 turns on the Pre-juv test. I took my tests up to Preliminary when I was younger so I'm trying to stay on the standard track. When I did take the PJV MIF test earlier this year, I was soooo nervous during the entire test. I did have an O'RLY? moment when I learned that I didn't pass (but so close) because my edges in and out of the turns were "shaky". I wanted to say, "Umm, yeah! Did you see me during the test? All of me was shaking!"

That's an interesting point.

Of course for me it was MUCH easier to do those 3 pre-juv moves than to do the extra jump required for the preliminary freeskate test.
(Additionally the 3 pre juv moves do add difficult, but those awful 3-turns are gone and so are the inside/outside edge spirals, which are tough for adults.)


Back to governing council- anyone know where the idea to add vocal music to more adult levels came from? It sounds like most adults didn't want vocals anyway (I did for low levels) so why add it to IJS levels too?

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Me, neither! And I'm testing them again this weekend (Silver MIF).

I really should've just taken Pre-Juv MIF when I was a teenager. I was ready and definitely would have passed but I chickened out and then quit skating (for skool) shortly thereafter.

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That's like when you stand around for an hour in a rink where the temperature is right around 12 degree and then go skate and the judges' comments are, "You looked stiff."

DUDE! I'm 49 years old, I have arthritis in my toes, and I'm frozen solid! I AM stiff!!!!

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When does the new Adult/Masters MIF moves scoring go into effect? Someone who went to GC told me she thought it was July, but that seems odd to me. I would think it would either be immediately, or in September.

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You're right, most adults didn't want vocals. The ASC's proposal was to only allow vocals through Silver. But that RFA was not approved by the Board of Directors. As such, it defaults to the standard-track rule, which is to allow vocals at all adult levels. So basically nothing was added.

Sept. 2, 2010.

I actually didn't mind the vocals in the one program I saw with them at ANs. And I have a song with vocals I've wanted to use for interp that I can't get down to a 1:40 cut I like, so maybe now someday I will use it for freestyle. (I also skated programs w/vocals for years with synchro so I'm used to it.)

What I can't stand is every little kid at my rink (since basic skills have allowed vocals for a while now) and their Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus and whatever else is "cool". I swear they all skate to the same 4 songs.

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I could say the same to a lot of the FS music that I've seen. (It takes me forever to pick music, just because I want to find something no one has skated to yet.)

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Yes, me too! I will not skate to anything I've heard in another skater's program, including those I've seen on you tube. Lucky for me, I kinda like skating to schmaltzy music (Blah Blah Blah Cha Cha Cha, for example) so there's NO competition from the kids for music choice.

I imagine myself at GC, amending the vocal music rule as follows:

Vocal music allowed, with the exception of:

Anything sung by an anthropomorphic chipmunk, as per the Geneva Conventions

Anything vocals that include excessive syncopated choruses of "Yeah yeah yeah," and/or "oh oh oh oh oh oh," and/or "uh-huh, uh-huh"

any vocals that propose a spanking, a shaking of the bootie, a jiggling of any body part, and/or propositions to "do me"

anything by Justin Bieber (or whatever his name is)...for perpetuity

I was at a competition recently and bet a parent of a skater how long it would take to hear music from Peter Pan. It took 20 minutes. There were four routines done to "Flying." And, yes, plenty of Miley! programs.

Now I have a great new game to play at competitions! How long until fill-in-the-blank music is played?

All That Jazz ftw!

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The best game to play in the stands is "Fall/No Fall". The group of players watches the warmup for the event. And, then as each skater's name is called each player calls out how many falls during that program. Someone acts as secretary and records the votes. Each player that correctly predicts the number of falls gets one point. At the end of the event, the points are totalled and a winner is declared!

It is best played at events under 6.0 judging. Under IJS more and more skaters are being a little more careful as to which jumps they'll attempt due to the downgrades and negative GOE's.

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I thought your favorite game at Nationals was "deck the poor little sweeper girls." You got called out for it too ... big time!

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Mine is more like "how many skaters skate to the same music in an event?" At AN 09, it was "Battle of the Phantom" for my FS event (not my group though.) Quite funny to watch the event on IN!!!

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The goal was never to "deck" them. It was more like counting coup!

It's just that they were bent over picking up tossies whilst I was trying to get my devil ducks into their basket. I was trying to help them out!

I was already having to take into account the wind (and testosterone field), the affect of the attached card, making sure the arc took them over the glass, but not too high, etc.

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My friends and I in college used to make drinking games out of watching skating. Ahh good times. I'm sure those of us in the peanut gallery could do that for champ events at ANs

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Uh huh... And how exactly does one calculate the testosterone field?

I know an engineering excuse when I hear one.

The problem is that a testosterone field is constantly in flux, especially at figure skating events. It's caused by the hetero male's body attempting to offset the effects of the close proximity of sparkles, stones, spandex, and "girly" colors like pink, turquoise, polka dots, etc. This is what makes it so hard to take into account.

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Climb is right and you were busted. By more than just people at the rink, too!