Peach Classic 2005

jazzpants · #1 06-01-2005, 12:16 AM

Coming soon... I just saw that the website said they're in the process of getting the competition sanctioned. Stay tuned...

Now I have a question regarding the Free Skate event... do I have the option of skating to a piece of music that has vocals in it, or do I follow the rule strictly to "no vocals." I'm deciding whether I need to resurrect my Yanni program now, or can I hold off 'til after I take the Bronze moves test in Sept and can concentrate on it then. (I want to debut my new artistic program at Peach instead as a pre-Bronze FS number instead of doing them as an interpretative, since this number is more the "pretty dramatic type of interpretative" rather than "the costume type of interpretative.") I know at Skate SF, the rules clearly says that I can use vocals for pre-Bronze FS but not Bronze FS on up...so I was wondering.

TIA.

InsideAxel · #2 06-01-2005, 05:41 AM

In general, the use of vocal music is a .1 deduction from the second mark (SSR 3.25). I guess the rule would apply unless specifically waived in the competition announcement.

Good luck!

Kelton

Terri C · #3 06-01-2005, 08:10 AM

Now, delete those vocals and we'll have the classic Pre- Bronze Peanut Gallery battle!

LoopLoop · #4 06-01-2005, 08:46 AM

Jazz, I still have last year's Peach announcement and checked it for you. For events where vocal music was allowed, the announcement was explicit. For all FS events, vocal music was not mentioned, so it's pretty clear that vocals are *not* allowed for pre-bronze FS.

jazzpants · #5 06-01-2005, 09:28 AM

*sigh* Looks like I got a tough call to make: either put together my old Yanni program (which I haven't done in MONTHS!!!) or do Interpretatives. I think for my sanity's sake that I better stick with Interpretative.

Sorry Terri... but we could still do Bronze moves, which by Sept should be ready to test, but under the old rule... FUGGETABOUTIT!!!

I am really out of it 'til I get my Bronze moves test out of the way.

Isk8NYC · #6 06-01-2005, 09:38 AM

I wonder if there's computer software that can delete the vocal tracks from recordings? I mean, think about it, they're usually recorded separately and pasted together. There must be a way to take it out. Or, as someone else suggested, pick up a Karaoke version without the vocals.

Terri C · #7 06-01-2005, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jazzpants

(I want to debut my new artistic program at Peach instead as a pre-Bronze FS number instead of doing them as an interpretative, since this number is more the "pretty dramatic type of interpretative" rather than "the costume type of interpretative.") .

My interp that I did at New Years and plan to do at Peach, is the same genre as your's, so don't worry about it!

skaternum · #8 06-01-2005, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzpants

I know at Skate SF, the rules clearly says that I can use vocals for pre-Bronze FS but not Bronze FS on up...so I was wondering.

That's weird. Why would they not follow the general USFSA rules on music for pre-bronze??

sk8er1964 · #9 06-01-2005, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Isk8NYC

I wonder if there's computer software that can delete the vocal tracks from recordings? I mean, think about it, they're usually recorded separately and pasted together. There must be a way to take it out. Or, as someone else suggested, pick up a Karaoke version without the vocals.

I'm working on figuring out if the software I bought can do that. If I succeed, I'll let you know.

Skate@Delaware · #10 06-01-2005, 01:29 PM

Some karaoke has background vocals, which I found out today (much to my dismay listening to my Evanescence karaoke

)

jazzpants · #11 06-01-2005, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by skaternum

That's weird. Why would they not follow the general USFSA rules on music for pre-bronze??

*shrug* Beats me! Then again, practically everyone did instrumental anyway. Didn't want to risk the differences between USFSA rulebook and what's on the forms...

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Originally Posted by Isk8NYC

There must be a way to take it out. Or, as someone else suggested, pick up a Karaoke version without the vocals.

I would but it's a critical part of the music.

I guess I'll just have to do exactly what the choreographer wants me to do in the piece and hope that I can wow the judges with my overall skating, the music and the dress... that is if I don't kill myself in the process!!!

Skate@Delaware · #12 06-01-2005, 02:49 PM

It would be nice if they would allow music with vocals, but then some people would complain about some lyrics, then you would have "lyric police" etc... some people would even complain about the lyrics of some Disney or children's songs

pennybeagle · #13 06-02-2005, 03:36 PM

Question about "vocals"...

This means a vocal line with words/lyrics, right? Or no?

Just asking, because I heard two pieces with vocals at nationals in the freestyle events--one was in Masters Junior (I think), and that piece clearly had lyrics...I am going to assume that the program was a resurrected ISI freestyle program. The other was in Silver Ladies II, and the piece was Sarah Brightman's "Scene d'Amour," which is led by a vocal line but no lyrics, just a bunch of "ahhh" and "do do do..." I believe that under ISU rules, the latter type of program does not receive a deduction (I'm remembering skaters like Maria Butyrskaya, Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze, and Todd Eldredge using this type of "vocal" music).

However, realizing that the rules for Adults are sometimes different... would the aforementioned programs I saw at nationals both have received deductions? It's kind of impossible to tell by just looking at the results.

LoopLoop · #14 06-02-2005, 03:58 PM

The "aahs" and "oohs" are OK, but anything with LYRICS (i.e., actual words) is illegal. The deduction is supposed to be .1 from the presentation mark.

starskate6.0 · #15 06-02-2005, 08:02 PM

I have a question about the Interp Pairs event.
My partner Sharon and I are doing a pairs interp for the first time at peach. We are having a blast putting it together. We have never seen this event, any clues as to what to expect and what people where doing last year for programs..

Is it like pairs or dance, freedance, etc etc.
Any clues would be of great help. Is there a list of requirements for this event

jazzpants · #16 06-03-2005, 12:18 AM

Okay, interesting dilemma... Seems my home rink's Sept test session is the same weekend at Peach Classic!!!

I have three solutions...

Take the test at my home rink in October, which I don't wanna do b/c it will interfere with my prepping for Skate SF... and I really could use the extra time also to concentrate on my Bronze FS test too!
Take the test in Atlanta. I suspect there will be a test session that weekend (but not at the Duluth rink... *sigh*) I don't wanna do this b/c I won't have my primary coach around while I'm at Atlanta (and given my long history with him, I REALLY want him to be there for this...) Of course, if he was at Atlanta, this choice would be a slam dunk.
I take the test but at a different local rink, which may or may not mean that I have to wait 'til October to test...

The dilemma is over whether I want to take the test now and not have my primary coach around for this particular moment. Or wait for him just so he'd be there with me if/when I do pass Bronze Moves. Right now, I am thinking of taking 3, but it really depends on how my crowded the test session is for which ever skating club will consider taking me.

I'll have to talk to the primary coach about this...

Thin-Ice · #17 06-03-2005, 02:30 AM

Hey Jazzpants--

Since the standard (kids') track deadline for regionals is September 1st, any other test date in September is fairly easy to get onto. There may be a few more adults than usual this year, because of the change in age and moves elements.. but it wouldn't be so bad to test in a group of adults, would it? Usually there are just a couple of adults testing.

You might also want to consider rink size when you think of where to take your test. With Yerba Buena being so big, you probably wouldn't want to try to cram your test into a rink the size of Belmont.

Good luck!

Terri C · #18 06-03-2005, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jazzpants

[*]Take the test in Atlanta. I suspect there will be a test session that weekend (but not at the Duluth rink... *sigh*) I don't wanna do this b/c I won't have my primary coach around while I'm at Atlanta (and given my long history with him, I REALLY want him to be there for this...) Of course, if he was at Atlanta, this choice would be a slam dunk.

If there is the "Atlanta option" this year, I may consider it too-after discussing it with my coaches!

LoopLoop · #19 06-03-2005, 09:31 AM

Last year the test session in Atlanta was *in* the competition rink on Friday evening. Since they have the Peach Open (kids' competition) right before the adult competition starts the judges are there already...

NoVa Sk8r · #20 06-03-2005, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Terri C

If there is the "Atlanta option" this year, I may consider it too-after discussing it with my coaches!

If you're going to Peach, it seems like a no-brainer to test. Even if you're not 100% ready, the test session there is *very* adult-friendly. Last year, they gave us, what, 20 minutes to warn up our moves? I was astounded.

jazzpants · #21 06-03-2005, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thin-Ice

Hey Jazzpants--

Since the standard (kids') track deadline for regionals is September 1st, any other test date in September is fairly easy to get onto. There may be a few more adults than usual this year, because of the change in age and moves elements.. but it wouldn't be so bad to test in a group of adults, would it? Usually there are just a couple of adults testing.

You might also want to consider rink size when you think of where to take your test. With Yerba Buena being so big, you probably wouldn't want to try to cram your test into a rink the size of Belmont.

Good luck!

I was thinking of either SJ or Berkeley (MUCH bigger than YB)... but I'm willing to also take Dublin too! (You reading this, ask8ngcat?!?!) No way, I'm gonna take my test at Belmont!!! It's too small!!! (Tried the pattern there, trust me I can't get enough power on it w/o worrying about crashing into the boards!)

jazzpants · #22 06-03-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NoVa Sk8r

If you're going to Peach, it seems like a no-brainer to test. Even if you're not 100% ready, the test session there is *very* adult-friendly. Last year, they gave us, what, 20 minutes to warn up our moves? I was astounded.

It's a no-brainer from a practicality standpoint but it's not just a practicality thing for me. (Think about how long I've been with my primary coach and you'll understand what I'm talking about.) Also, I've never skated at the rinks around Atlanta and don't have a clue about the size of the rink, how hard is the ice, etc.

Of course, it's not to say that it's out of the question, but it's something I do need to talk to him about first. If it was the Bronze FS test, it would be a no-brainer that I would take them at my home rink or one of the other local rinks, since he knows how important it is for me to pass this particular test.

NoVa Sk8r · #23 06-03-2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzpants

It's a no-brainer from a practicality standpoint but it's not just a practicality thing for me. (Think about how long I've been with my primary coach and you'll understand what I'm talking about.) Also, I've never skated at the rinks around Atlanta and don't have a clue about the size of the rink, how hard is the ice, etc.

Of course, it's not to say that it's out of the question, but it's something I do need to talk to him about first. If it was the Bronze FS test, it would be a no-brainer that I would take them at my home rink or one of the other local rinks, since he knows how important it is for me to pass this particular test.

Right on.

Hmmm ... but maybe I just don't understand this weird codependency that certain *ADULT* skaters have on their coaches. I understand how important it is to have one's coach present, but it's a test session, not a wedding or a life-altering event.

The way I see it, there's a great adult-friendly test session (that will be populated by *other* friendly adult test takers), and there's plenty of time to get acquainted with the ice. I'm just imagining December rolling around and then reading about how certain adult skaters never had the time or chance (due to injury, filled test sessions, work schedules, etc) to test when there was an opportunity to take a test months earlier.

Just my two cents. ...

jenlyon60 · #24 06-03-2005, 12:38 PM

As I recall, both rinks at the Duluth facility are NHL-size rinks (85 feet wide by 200 feet long).

Ice quality probably varies, but in whichever year it was that I competed Peach (2002 or 2003?) it was definitely softer and in better shape than the Reston ice (which is pretty hard usually, and at the times I skate, usually not in the best of condition).

LoopLoop · #25 06-03-2005, 01:00 PM

Last year's Peach test session was *very* relaxed and friendly. When I take moves tests at home they are always double-paneled and very pressured; at Peach I had the ice to myself, with plenty of time to warm up.

If you decide to take the test there I'll be glad to "coach" you through it! And if it doesn't work, you can try again in October at home.

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