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New jump sequence rule
Hey gang,
My coach brought to my attention today about the new jump sequence rule which has taken effect now. It states that in a jump sequence, if you use a mohawk or three turn for the second jump, it will be counted as two separate jumps. Ugh!! So now what? Is everyone changing their jump sequences in their programs? The adult WBP requirements want to see a sequence. Can anyone give me a suggestion of possibilities? I hate that blasted 1/2 loop, so any other possibilities would be better for me. Thanks! Ice T |
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Other than the half loop, another possibility would be a side toe hop (some people call these a toe tap), such as
any jump, side toe hop to FO edge to axel any jump, side toe hop to waltz-toe any jump, side toe hop to waltz-loop I once saw a skater do walley-1/2 loop-2 flip. That in itself is not a sequence (because there is no listed jump before the walley and 1/2 loop). But theoretically, I think something like any listed jump, edge pull from BO to BI edge, walley, 1/2 loop, flip (or salchow) would be a sequence. Now whether it's doable and looks good is another thing altogether. I think I also saw a vid of a guy at novice do walley in one direction, step down to walley in the other direction, then 3 loop. Again, not technically a sequence but still neat to watch. Edited to add: Here's a link to an earlier thread about sequences. NOTE that this thread was started in the previous (2006-2007) competition season, during which mohawks and three turns were okay in sequences, hence the suggested sequences that use falling leaf (which is usually followed by a FI3 turn). But the discussion is interesting, and some of the sequences listed in that thread do not use mohawks or 3 turns.
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Huh? Is this the U.S. you're talking about? The USFSA WBP say a combination is required (for Bronze and up), and a combo is defined as 2 or 3 jumps with no turn or change of foot between jumps, so a sequence would not fulfill this requirement. A sequence is optional - the rule says that no more than 3 jumping passes may be combos or sequences - but you don't have to do one. You could have 3 combos, or 2, or 1. Also, only 1 combo can be a 3-jump combo - I suspect that if you do a 3-jump sequence, that counts as your 3-jump combo.
The question that has yet to be answered (I think it's going to be trial and error as the season goes on) is: since Bronze and Silver are not judged using IJS (or really, all adult levels at non-qualifying comps), does the rule about no mohawks or 3-turns in sequences still apply?
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-1 combo -2 combos -3 combos -1 combo/1 sequence -1 combo/2 sequences -2 combos/1 sequence -2 sequences -3 sequences
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Why would anybody do a sequence when it's only worth .8 of a combination? You lose 20% of your potential mark for a jumping pass by doing a sequence.
I would think it would be better to do the following if in Adult Bronze whether it be Canadian (I'm Canadian) or American: waltz/loop/toe 0r salchow/loop/toe or flip/loop/toe or lutz/loop/toe and then add either waltz/loop or salchow/loop or flip/loop or lutz/loop and then add either (if in US so far in Canada Adult Bronze can only have 2 jump combinations) waltz/toe or salchow/toe or flip/toe or lutz/toe (if in Canada unless Skate Canada gives us a third jump window too) two solo single jumps (if in US) one solo single jump I hope Skate Canada follows the USFS' lead with the WBP and gives us that third combination jump and allows us to have a third jump in the combination along with a third spin element especially a combination spin. I hate that I can do one but I can't put it in my program because of the rules.
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(But maybe judges online here can answer whether judges really do judge comos/sequences differently? All of the judges that I have ever talked to over the years have pretty much told me that, under the 6.0 system, it's six, one-half dozen, or the other when comparing combos with sequences.)
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You might do a sequence because you "used up" your loops and/or toe loops or you are trying to get in a second of a specific jump (like a double sal)
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Or because you are a lower level skater and your combinatations stink and adding that side toe hop makes the second jump leave the ground
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Well, I went from three jumping passes and a sequence (4 total) to 5 jumping passes with this new rule change, since my sequence was a loop/side hop/salchow/toe. Now it is counted as a solo loop and a sal/toe combo. My thinking was that the judges would want to see a sequence in the program because that would make it more well rounded. Also, I think sequences can sometimes be more difficult than a combo since you have so many jumps linked together and have to keep a rhythm in them.
Since my half loop is soooooooo bad (I will now be working diligently on it), I was hoping for other sequence ideas that I could try out. Oh.......and I don't have an axel yet, so count that out of any forward take off jump in the sequence. |
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I think that's still a sequence with the side toe hop between them
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No, because I do the three turn entrance into the salchow.
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Which brings me back to my question of whether the no-mohawk/3-turns rule for sequences applies to Bronze and Silver, since those levels are judged under 6.0. Ice T, are you Bronze or Silver? If you're Silver, you are allowed to have 5 jumping passes in your program, so you wouldn't need to change the jumping passes you mentioned. If you're Bronze, though, you are limited to 4 passes.
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It kinda seems from what everyone is saying is that now we only have two options -- a half loop as a connector or a waltz as the next jump after any landing. Hmmmmm.....I'm not liking that our choices are diminishing....it is taking yet even more creativity and originality out of the sport. They should just tell us what jumps to do instead of confusing us and making us try to figure it out like some big mystery. Any thoughts? |
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I saw that sequence at Nationals too - Lutz, split kick, flip (or vice versa).
Because of the new rule, I have three combos and no sequences. ((Shrug)). Whatever. |
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As for standard combos, with either loop or toe loop at the end, I'm out of options, so I have to do a sequence.
I'm back in Bronze, planning on AN next year: Lutz/loop (coach wants a toe on the end too) Flip/toe Lutz Loop/1/2 loop/salchow (haven't started this yet, or maybe I can do the toe if I don't do the 3 jump) Personally, I have no problem with the rules, but damn, I want 10 more seconds. 1:40 is not long enough. |
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Lutz/loop/toe Flip/toe Lutz Flip/loop That would be two lutzes, two flips, two loops and two toes. If you want to demonstrate a salchow in there, replace the flip/loop with salchow/loop. |
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I probably should have mentioned that I hate the flip before posting that.
I think I can swing that sequence. AN is quite aways off. |
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