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Old 08-13-2007, 02:57 PM
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Cut Ice or Uncut Ice (August 20 to August 26)

Cut Ice- For the first time in weeks I didnt have any foot cramps when I stepped on to the ice...


Uncut Ice - Because of lack of sleep (3 hrs) I didnt jump properly all session My leg kept tucking in (right leg) mid-air
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Old 08-13-2007, 05:08 PM
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Great pics!

Cut ice: Best lesson/practice today that I've had in a long time - coach was very happy with moves and felt confident that I'd pass. I hope that's true. Worked on crossovers at the ends. Also did 3 decent flips today and 2 loops, woo hoooooo (flip is the one jump that sends me into mental spasms, but I was feeling good after working on moves so I forced myself to do 'em)

Uncut ice: Attemps at backspin were sad. I can do 3 or 4 revolutions but rocking back and forth and then I finally get close to going off the back of the blade, which freaks me out. Sit spin was low today but slow as well. And TMI alert - wish my nose didn't run during sit spins. I don't think this adds anything to my artistic presentation.
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Old 08-13-2007, 05:31 PM
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Cut Ice: Practiced at a different rink and seriously had the best ice ever! LFI Mohawks were great - and finally not over rotating. BXO's are getting better and better (I hope!). Oh, and no falls

Uncut Ice: RFI Mohawks are lagging, as well as anything involving my right foot - CW FXO's, RFI and RFO edges... I wish my right side would just catch up with my left!
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Old 08-13-2007, 06:41 PM
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Everything! I love my new boots sooo much! Showed the adult pre-Bronze three turn pattern to a friend, which was impossible in the old boots - just too unstable. Tried the waltz-8, and did the best FO threes ever - again, it's the boots! I cannot believe what a difference these new boots are making for me. I am actually not afraid of putting some power and speed into the Prelim power threes for the first time ever.
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Old 08-13-2007, 07:35 PM
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Cut Ice:
Another clean program runthrough for the freeskate!! I'm so excited about competing this weekend!!

Uncut Ice:
Clean program was done while my program was playing in the rink boombox with the volume on the boom box all the way up. Seems the darling hockey (cough, cough)players that had a tournament this past weekend turned up the rink sound system sooo loud that they blew the sound system out .
And all this the week before a competition for a lot of people.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:35 PM
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cut ice: tried a double double combo today ! (double sal, double loop) just for kicks. landed the double sal, but the landing was really swingy but i went for the double loop anyways. it was like half short which wasn't bad considering the terrible take off
-double flip & loop were good today
-hopefully getting new skates this week

uncut ice: haha lets just say the ice was pretty bumpy today..
-my lesson was really discouraging/boring. my coach wants me to be 'beyond prepared' for my test and its starting to get annoying.
-my skates are really starting to break down. i'm all wobbly in all my elements, and my skates get looser and looser all the time.
-spins are just weird. maybe its because my skates are giving me a lot of trouble, i really dont know.
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Old 08-14-2007, 08:17 AM
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Cut ice: Most of the lesson was spent with the coach working on Husband's Foxtrot and me watching! I like lessons like that.....

Our step sequence is working okay now, we think. Needs practice.

Husband kicked me (by mistake, I hasten to add!) and I didn't fall over.

Uncut ice: Didn't get to practice the willow waltz or our free dance to the music.

I keep thinking I am getting worse and worse, but I suspect I'm just expecting that much more of myself.

I can't get enough power out of just one crossover, in those exercises where that's all you're allowed.
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Old 08-14-2007, 08:54 AM
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cut - toe loop, was coming along in practice, and got worked over well in lesson. Looking forward to cutting loose with these and having fun soon

bumpy - my proto-backspin is MIA, spent some of lesson time going over entrances again. Hopefully it will be on it's way back next practice. This (or rather the change-foot) is clearly the element that is going to make me bonkers before I'm ready to test FS3. Even my salchow is going to be good before I get this one.
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:14 AM
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Cut ice-
Managed to land a few decent waltz-loops and flips.
Dance run-throughs went well. Actually remembered the steps.

Uncut ice-
Couldn't spin today to save my life.
Decided the sit spin was a useless endevour and that I will be pre-bronze for life.
Took a couple of really nasty falls and have a bruise approximately the size and shape of Kansas on my left hip.
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:20 AM
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Cut Ice
-I had a great time skating at the Wilmington Ice House in North Carolina the past two weeks! I drove an hour each way to get there...and I did that 5 times...I think I may have a skating obsession Here are some videos of me skating there (my mom was kind enough to do the taping):
Spins & Jumps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx68TJdDmQk
Silver Moves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QMZizxIY_A
(I had a little fun with Windows Movie Maker )

-Yesterday, I went back to one of my local rinks and had a great practice session. Moves were all good too.

-Not skating related, but I didn't gain any weight at all on vacation, even though I ate too much fried food, fudge, and ice cream. I'm pleasantly surprised.

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-Next week I have to be a grown-up and start working full time again. I'm hoping this doesn't affect my skating time too much.
-Camel - argh - my legs won't be straight. I can do straight legs in a spiral but not in a camel. Also, I can't seem to get my leg up high enough.
-Flip has gotten a little spinny since I haven't had a lesson in two weeks. I worked on controlling it yesterday, and think I fixed it a little.
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:59 AM
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-Silver Moves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QMZizxIY_A
(I had a little fun with Windows Movie Maker )

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I took a look at these Moves and they look pretty good. The 8-step mohawk sequence is a little hard to see since the filming was from so far away and the rink looks HUGE!

the one thing that you do on the 8-step and I'm not sure it's really a problem is crossing the foot over on the first two steps... does anyone know whether this is allowed? I'm going to have to look into this...

Nice job!
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Old 08-14-2007, 11:12 AM
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the one thing that you do on the 8-step and I'm not sure it's really a problem is crossing the foot over on the first two steps... does anyone know whether this is allowed? I'm going to have to look into this...
Step 2 is a FXO.
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Old 08-14-2007, 11:18 AM
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Step 2 is a FXO.
Well, I just looked it up (by 263 of the 2007 rulebook) and it doesn't show it as a cross-over. When I looked at the Adult Moves videos both people doing it (one was Phillip D. ) were not doing a front "tucked-looking" cross-over but rather a bigger type of cross-over which is not really a cross-over. I think if you have a LOT of flow your feet should not cross-over in that neat tucked style which I have seen on tests (not something I would fail the move for but I would definitely comment on it because it affects the overall flow and look of the move).

Probably a moot point. Looks good Morgail!
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:03 PM
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  • I think I'm long overdue for a one week break from the gym and skating (well at least a few days... My legs are really tired and I just could not feel my legs well enough to get the feel and the timing for the loop and the flip! )
  • Back sit is still squatting.
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  • Not much... the camel is not that bad, but I still have a ways to go to get it to the point where it stays in position. (I saw myself in the reflection and it's almost there.)
I think I should have stayed home on Sunday and rest my legs for one more day... But I had to drop off a check at the Skating Club's box Sunday and well, kinda hard to go to a rink and NOT skate!!! (kander, I know you're reading this. It took a LOT of willpower for me to not skate at the Sat. public session at San Jose! But I really, really needed to rest my legs.)
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:18 PM
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Cut: all moves were really good, some will get better once I sharpen my blades. Jumps were decent, attempted salchow-toe loop combos

Uncut: my last lesson at home before I go back to school. I am going to practice a few extra sessions this week, because starting the 19th I can't practice for about a week. Half lutz attempts were ehh. That and the back spin are the most awkward feeling elements.
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:36 PM
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I took a look at these Moves and they look pretty good. The 8-step mohawk sequence is a little hard to see since the filming was from so far away and the rink looks HUGE!

the one thing that you do on the 8-step and I'm not sure it's really a problem is crossing the foot over on the first two steps... does anyone know whether this is allowed? I'm going to have to look into this...

Nice job!
Thanks! The camera is new & we hadn't yet figured out the zooming function for video. I think my 8-step mohawk looks better far away than it does up close The rink was normal-sized; my mom was taping from the far end of it. Very nice rink though - they really keep it in good shape.

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Step 2 is a FXO.
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Well, I just looked it up (by 263 of the 2007 rulebook) and it doesn't show it as a cross-over. When I looked at the Adult Moves videos both people doing it (one was Phillip D. ) were not doing a front "tucked-looking" cross-over but rather a bigger type of cross-over which is not really a cross-over. I think if you have a LOT of flow your feet should not cross-over in that neat tucked style which I have seen on tests (not something I would fail the move for but I would definitely comment on it because it affects the overall flow and look of the move).

Probably a moot point. Looks good Morgail!
Thanks! I've always seen them done at tests with a crossover on step 2. My coach wants a nice, neat crossover (as opposed to a wide, steppy one), but it is really hard to do a good one - especially on the second and third patterns when I've gained some speed.

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Old 08-14-2007, 01:11 PM
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Well, I just looked it up (by 263 of the 2007 rulebook) and it doesn't show it as a cross-over. When I looked at the Adult Moves videos both people doing it (one was Phillip D. ) were not doing a front "tucked-looking" cross-over but rather a bigger type of cross-over which is not really a cross-over.
Very interesting. My rulebook, which is older, also does not have the "XO" notation by step 2, but I have never seen it taught or performed any other way, and it is done that way in the PSA MIF videos. DD, who passed Juv MIF with a very hard panel of judges, skated it with a FXO. I do not believe you can get a push on step 3 if step 2 is not a crossover. I think what you are seeing is a progressive style crossover, which would be expected at Juv and Silver, not the beginner style "pick up your foot and cross it over" that is acceptable at Pre-Preliminary and Pre-Bronze.
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Old 08-14-2007, 01:17 PM
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Very interesting. My rulebook, which is older, also does not have the "XO" notation by step 2, but I have never seen it taught or performed any other way, and it is done that way in the PSA MIF videos. DD, who passed Juv MIF with a very hard panel of judges, skated it with a FXO. I do not believe you can get a push on step 3 if step 2 is not a crossover. I think what you are seeing is a progressive style crossover, which would be expected at Juv and Silver, not the beginner style "pick up your foot and cross it over" that is acceptable at Pre-Preliminary and Pre-Bronze.
I think we are talking about the same thing - you have to do a progressive-style crossover (or, well, you should* - see my previous comment about making a note of it on the comments but not necessarily not passing the move) - but I have seen on the Juvenile test some skaters who do a beginner-style "pick up your foot and cross it tightly and neatly over" which I think interrupts the flow.

I can't really see what Morgail is doing with her feet on those steps and like I said before, it is probably a moot point anyway. Carry on!
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I think we are talking about the same thing - you have to do a progressive-style crossover (or, well, you should* - see my previous comment about making a note of it on the comments but not necessarily not passing the move) - but I have seen on the Juvenile test some skaters who do a beginner-style "pick up your foot and cross it tightly and neatly over" which I think interrupts the flow.
In my experience, if your forward crossover in the 8-step is of the 'stepped over' variety, then the judges will definitely comment on and mark you down for that. My coach wants me to do the kind of 'progressive-style' crossover you are referring to, and to extend the free leg on each push, which is hard to do when you are skating quickly - that's one of the big challenges of this move. It's really like a fast dance.
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In my experience, if your forward crossover in the 8-step is of the 'stepped over' variety, then the judges will definitely comment on and mark you down for that. My coach wants me to do the kind of 'progressive-style' crossover you are referring to, and to extend the free leg on each push, which is hard to do when you are skating quickly - that's one of the big challenges of this move. It's really like a fast dance.
Yup, kind of just exactly like the 14-step where the end pattern is just like the 8-step EXCEPT you don't have the back progressive part across the end pattern and you don't have to step forward.

It's also something like the Killian but with a 14-step or Foxtrot Mohawk instead of the Choctaw.

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Old 08-14-2007, 06:05 PM
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Cut:Worked on upright spins and a few felt really well controlled and I am definitely hitting the entry more consistently. One or two sit spins almost happened Also did some back outside edges on the circle and a couple of what will one day be Toe Loops. Also worked on Waltz jumps and a couple of those showed promise.

Rough: I had a slight headache when I got to the rink today and a MAJOR headache when I left! I guess that’s what an hour of spins can do
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Old 08-14-2007, 07:17 PM
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Another development in the Week Before Competition:

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Coach e-mailed me to tell that she has pink eye and was cancelling all lessons this afternoon to keep from infecting other people so close to competition. She asked if she could take me Thursday afternoon. I called her and told her that I have a hair appointment at 4:15 on Thursday. She told me to go to the rink and skate anyway, which I did.

So far we have :
Last Thursday- rink was sooo foggy we couldn't see each other
Monday- no sound system
Tuesday- cancelled lesson
Gee whiz, what is next??

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Only had one error in freeskate runthrough and that is a element I hardly miss.
For some reason, I'm not nervous about this weekend- at least not yet.
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Uncut Ice The ice at the rink was HORRIBLE today.

Biggest problem- there is absolutely no way I can do the PB backward crossovers around the outside of the hockey circles in just 8 steps. It takes me a solid 12. I'm screwed. The test is Sunday.

My right inside 3 is still eh (but I do it), otherwise my test is solid. I'm going to fail because of backward crossovers. (Actually does someone have a rulebook- it would be nice if I had one, but unfortunately I don't. On the usfsa adult page it says "4 to 6 are recommended" is that the same as required?)

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Everything else went fairly well today and my back/rib don't hurt too bad. Start in two weeks I'll take my lesson on Tuesday and then have Synchro on Wednesday and power/freestyle group lessons on Saturday. I'm nervous about Saturday because it's with kids and I have space issues- but the power class should be good for me.
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Yup, kind of just exactly like the 14-step where the end pattern is just like the 8-step EXCEPT you don't have the back progressive part across the end pattern and you don't have to step forward.
Um, by back progressive, are you referring to the 8-step, specifically step 7? Step 7 is NOT a back crossover, it's place-your-foot-next-to-other-foot step. In some form on MIF Common Errors I saw once (I think it's on the USFSA website and I think it's also in that PSA MIF manual), it is noted that steps 6 through 8 must be distinct steps. On step 6, the free foot picks up and then on step 7, it is placed down next to (inside the circle) the other foot, which picks up and then steps forward.

The PSA has a video set where each move is demonstrated (organized by test level) and there is a bit of commentary. These videos are a bit more correct, in many cases, than the Adult MIF videos posted on the USFSA website. I believe Rainbo sells the PSA videos, or you could ask your coach to order them for you through the PSA, where there is a small discount available.

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there is absolutely no way I can do the PB backward crossovers around the outside of the hockey circles in just 8 steps. It takes me a solid 12.
Just focus on having 2 equal pushes and really pushing with your edges, and getting a deep knee bend. Remember, the first push is like a swizzle pump - just push outward - and then on the second push (underneath) just focus on pushing the foot straight out to the side (underneath your skating leg), and pointing the toe. Keep your back straight (try not to lean forward, as that can affect your power - guess how I know this? ).
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Old 08-14-2007, 09:31 PM
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Step 7 is NOT a back crossover, it's place-your-foot-next-to-other-foot step. In some form on MIF Common Errors I saw once (I think it's on the USFSA website and I think it's also in that PSA MIF manual), it is noted that steps 6 through 8 must be distinct steps. On step 6, the free foot picks up and then on step 7, it is placed down next to (inside the circle) the other foot, which picks up and then steps forward.
The dance term for step 7 is "Cross front", and the common error is to do a crossover instead.
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