I should do more than consider it - I should do it. If you want to maximise her scores, it's absolutely essential to have a TS look at her programme. We always get one of our coaches, who is a trained TS, to look at Husband's free programme, just to make sure he is going to get as high a score as possible, even though at Adult Bronze that isn't going to be very high!

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Our technical coach has a lot of pride being a former olympian. He has an ego and a temper. Even the suggestion - I'm a little scared to bring it up with him. But we'll suck it up - since it sounds like he kind of dropped the ball.

I believe in the over riding WBP rules, that if all four jumps were in the sequence (2Lz+2Lo+2T+2F) that it is an illegal element because according the the WBP requirements, no more than 3 listed jumps can be part of a jump pass although connecting jumps such as 1/2 loop are unlimited. Was there a "*" by that element perchance?

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There was a 1/2 Lo connecting before the 2F. I misplaced the protocol so I don't remember if there was "*". What is WBP? Balanced program rule? Is it USFSA or ISU rule?

WBP = well-balanced program rules. They are US Figure Skating rules that control what content is allowed in each level's program. Though Juvenile is scored under the IJS system, the WBP rules control content.

Here are the requirements for a Juvenile program in the US for the 2009-2010 season:

Jump Elements - Max 6
1 must be an Axel-type jump
Max 3 combos or sequences
Combos limited to 2 jumps, but one 3 jump combo is permitted.
Number of jumps in jump sequence is not limited.
No more than 3 double jumps may be repeated (1 each), but only as part of combo or sequence. Maximum of 2 of any double jump.
No triple jumps

Spins - Max 3
1 flying entry*
1 combo with min 1 change of position
3rd is option of the skater
Min 5 rev; 8 for combo; min 2 revs in position
All spins may change feet and start with a fly
Spins must be of a different nature

Step Sequence - Max 1
Straight line, circular, or serpentine
Must use entire ice surface

All WBP requirements can be found here: http://www.usfigureskating.org/New_Judging.asp?id=355
The .pdf is here: http://www.usfigureskating.org/conte...FSElements.pdf

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"1A, 2Lz, combo sequence 2LZ-2Lo-2T-2F, followed by 1A, 2S and 2F." Value .8 + (1.9 + 1.5 +1.3 + 1.7 X .8) + .8 + 1.3 + 1.7 = 9.72

If it were me and I actually could do all those jumps, I would not have done a jump sequence because you loose 20% of the posible attainable score of a jump combination.

I would have split up the 2Lz-2Lo-2T-2F to be 2Lz-2Lo combination and then do another combination as 2F-1T. I'm presuming that the skating level is at least Intermediate? So don't you need a third combination jump.

It also sounds like you lost one of the 1As because it wasn't in a combination. Why not adding a 2T to the 1A?

Then she could have the following jumping passes;

1A .8
2Lz 1.9
2Lz-2Lo -1Lo (1.9 + 1.5 + .5) 3.9
2F-1T (1.7 + 1.3) 3.0
1A-2T (0.8 + 1.3) 2.1
2F (you don't want this jump last when she's tired) 1.7

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Jump total 13.4

Then you got your 3 spins ( all spins must have completely different codes)

1 Flying (level 2) FCSP2 2.3
1 combo (level 2) CCOSP2 3.0
1 in single position (level 2) LSP2 1.6

Step Sequence (step or spiral) SpSq1 1.8
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Total Score? TES 22.10


Add that with the PCS 14.39
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Total program score: 36.49
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We already established the legality of the 4-jump sequence in Juvenile (see the previous page of this thread) and also pointed out the futility of ever doing one, since the score for any sequence is just 80% of the combined values of the TWO most valuable jumps in the sequence.

Based on these rules, the sequence would not have been worth that much, but even with a downgraded jump, she should have gotten some points for it, not zero. So we would still need to see the actual scoresheet and/or ask the TS to see why she got no credit for the sequence.

The second axel did not have to be in combination or sequence. In Juvenile, only doubles are limited in their repetition and need to be repeated as part of a combo or sequence. You can do as many single axels as you want, and do them by themselves.

Fortunately, it looks like she did not repeat more than two of her double jumps, so that would not be the reason that sequence didn't count.

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Hi

Well, I suppose that my coach just built my program, based on what I can do so far.

And as I can do more things (or when I can later on), she will add those new elements into my program as well.

londonicechamp

Yes, the 1/2 loop is not a called element.

WBP = Well Balanced Program requirement = USFS rule

ISU, not just USFS!

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