Hello all...

I ordered a DVD of my flight from Adult Nationals in Chicago but have not received it yet. Has anyone else received their DVD? I don't remember what the name of the company was that was doing the videos this year. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

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The AN2007 website says that the videographer was "LocalMotion."
http://www.adultnationals2007.org/vendor.html

Here's their Contacts page:
http://www.localmotionproductions.com/contact.htm

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They were very clear in telling me 4-6 weeks. So probably late may early June.

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Yep, they told me around the end of May as well.
Videos will probably be up on IceNetwork.com before we get our DVD's. I know IceNetwork has now received the videos from the West Rink competitions and are processing them for uploading. East rink videos have not been received yet.

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"You don't have to put an age limit on your dreams." - Dara Torres, 41, after her 2nd medal at the 2008 Olympics

Cool then... I didn't remember the 4-6 weeks time frame but then again I was running around in 8 different directions on Saturday of that weekend, so it's probable that they told me and my mind was concentrating on downgraded cheated toe loops or one-point time violations instead.

Thanks for the info guys!

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UH! Don't even remind me about the downgraded toeloops, LOL!

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"You don't have to put an age limit on your dreams." - Dara Torres, 41, after her 2nd medal at the 2008 Olympics

I was about to post about this. Looking through the protocols for my event, they even dinged guys on SINGLE toeloops. They downgraded the singles to nothing. My coach and I were just discussing that this morning. It looks like the technical specialists at Adult Nationals this year didn't cut us any slack whatsoever. Personally, I'm okay with it and I was dinged for my toeloops as well. As long as the technical specialist is consistent within the event, then it's all good.

Yup, I'd be part of that crowd.

I was warned about the toe loop thing when I arrived at AN, and sure enough on Friday of AN the judges called one of my combos an "Axel - nothing". Changed the toe loops to loops the next day and got credit for all of them.

It seemed like they were being very strict about it at the time, but now I can kinda see where they're coming from. I've been converting my old skating competition tapes to DVD this past week (thus the reason why I opened this thread), and have noticed that a lot of skaters do toe waltz or toe Axel jumps. I guess it's the adult version of the flutz.

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That was actually a very good strategic move, Dennis. I did the math when I got back from Chicago and out of the twelve man field, you received the most points for your jump elements.

Yep, I did the same thing, LOL! I noticed the technical controller we had in Gold III QR downgraded one of my two toeloops so I worked on fixing that particular one the next day in FR. Unfortunately, we had a different TC in FR and Champ. Gold and she was much stricter on all of the calls (not just toeloops). I had added a third toeloop since QR and she downgraded all 3 of them! So the next day for Champ. Gold I changed two of the three toeloops to loops (leaving one toeloop just to look like I was trying, LOL!). The one toeloop got downgraded, but at least I picked up the points on the two loops. I felt badly for those skaters who only had one chance to skate and weren't able to take advantage of the IJS learning curve for their second/third events like we did, KWIM?

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"You don't have to put an age limit on your dreams." - Dara Torres, 41, after her 2nd medal at the 2008 Olympics

I was one of the participants that only got one chance to skate under IJS but I went in with the idea that I would try the double toes but stay clear from any single toes. This way, even if my doubles were downgraded (which they were) they would at least count as singles. I usually don't toe-waltz on single toes but under the pressure of competition, I didn't want to chance that I might tighten up on those toe loop take-offs and wind up getting nothing for those single toes.

That has to be one of the most alarming factoids to come out of AN2007!

Seriously Frank, that made my day (though I had to work out the math on my own before I believed you). Too bad my spins were nowhere to be found that day... they were fine in my open event but then I guess they got bored and went sightseeing during Championship! It does pay to be a KKODEHORRR sometimes but you also have to skate well.

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I haven't gotten my AN DVD yet, but they told me it'd only take 2 weeks. Hmm. Same for the sweatshirt I bought. They said it'd be two weeks (I'm in MN and the company's in IL. . .not that far apart!).

I don't want to start my own thread for this, but has anyone else NOT received their Mids DVD yet from CG Video? It's been 6 weeks (and they said it'd be sent the Monday after the event), my check was cashed 6 weeks ago, as well. I've called and left several voicemails, and they won't respond to my repeated requests for a status update. I'm moving across the country soon (which I've told them!) and I'm afraid I won't get the video in time. Quite rude. I just don't know what to do. It sounds dumb, but I'm going to be quitting my job to go back to school when I move, so $40 is a lot of money to waste on not getting a DVD for me.

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Whisper,

No need to apologize, because $40 is a good deal of money for something that can be easily "burned" on the spot for you. At E. Sectionals we went up to the video people purchased a DVD of our flight, went out to breakfast, and in less then an hour it was burned for us and ready to go. Up until very recently this is how we were getting our DVD's, and it helped tremendously to see our skate right after it happend when everything was fresh in our minds.

This has been the first year that we've been tourchered by having to wait 4-6 weeks (or, my guess be will that it will be longer) to receive our DVDs. I don't know what's changed, other than now they put fancy "Chapter" decorations on the flights, but I would prefer raw footage without all the bells and whistles. They have the technology, and for the $$$ we are all paying, they should have another person at their table who is doing nothing other than burning DVDs to be taken away.

I really don't know what's changed, but it wasn't this frustrating in the past. It is very frustrating waiting for Mid-Westerns and Adult Nationals to come up on IceNetwork, too, when we saw all of the "kids" events appear in a very timely fashion.

was it like this at Dallas last year?

At the AN in Overland Park - I didnt have to wait weeks - the guy burned the dvd of my whole flight less than 3 minutes

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We called about a week ago to ask when the AN DVD's would be sent out and we were told 6 weeks. . .

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"You don't have to put an age limit on your dreams." - Dara Torres, 41, after her 2nd medal at the 2008 Olympics

Sounds like a good strategy! I personally think that underrotated double toes should be called as axels. I mean, it's much more accurate, isn't it?

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"You don't have to put an age limit on your dreams." - Dara Torres, 41, after her 2nd medal at the 2008 Olympics

Actually my coach and I discussed this at great length when we were constructing my program. Finally, we heard that the technical specialists call elements based on intent. If the skater clearly intended to perform a toe-loop, then it would be called a toe-loop and if the take off or landing was cheated, then it would be downgraded accordingly but still called as the intended jump.

Under the rules that were used at Adult Nationals this year, it would have been more beneficial from a scoring perspective for the skater if toe-axels were called axels because then we'd get credit for sequences containing axels instead of combinations involving single toe-loops. However, I read on the USFS Discussion Board that they were considering changing the rules so that a jump can only be done once in combination and repeated once solo and that's it (a la the Zayak Rule for Triples). If that passes, then I'd be in trouble if they call toe-axels as axels. I'd end up having four axels in my program which would be a no-no.

Actually, you bring up a good point. An axel immediately following the landing of another jump is considered a separate jump element rather than a combination or sequence (I had a loop-axel in my program at AN). So if you did a double toe as the second jump in a combination and it got downgraded to a single axel, it would use up two jump elements instead of one. Then your 6th jump element wouldn't count. Hmm, that does complicate things. . . But yes, next year we'll only be allowed to do each jump twice, either once as a solo jump and once in combination/sequence, or both times in combination/sequence. That rule was supposed to be in effect at Sectionals and AN this year, but due to an error in the WBP rules in the competition announcements, they did not implement it after all. Lucky for us, since we were able to change our toeloops to loops even if we already had two loops, LOL! Now we have one more year to get our toeloop takeoffs clean. . .

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"You don't have to put an age limit on your dreams." - Dara Torres, 41, after her 2nd medal at the 2008 Olympics

it depends - if they're underrotated by rotating the take-off toe and taking off forwards, yes, they're more like axels. If they're underrotated by taking off correctly but not getting all the way around at the landing, they're not like axels at all

USFSA has now published the protocols for all the IJS events at AN:
http://usfsa.org/event_details.asp?id=34946

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I'm not going to complain too much. But it's pretty frustrating considering the price we pay for the DVD to see your video up on the Ice Network before you actually receive the DVD copy in the mail. I'm waiting on the DVD, as well as the award photos.

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Christy

I know, you'd think the podium shots at least wouldn't take so long to process. Geez. . .

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"You don't have to put an age limit on your dreams." - Dara Torres, 41, after her 2nd medal at the 2008 Olympics

If you ordered a dvd do they send you the podium pictures? How does that work? The dvd people were the ones taking the podium pictures, correct?