Why no announcement on L/T?

[scooter133]

If Lang & Tchernyshev have split, why has the USFSA not made an official announcement? They're still listed as representing the US at 3 Grand Prix events on the USFSA website, but not on the ISU website. What's the deal?

[Angel01673]

I was wondering the same thing, the USFSA site was updated and they took Yebin off, but not L/T. Has no one informed the USFSA? I'm wondering if L/T's publicist is not doing his work. Either that or the USFSA needs to update.

[KingBob]

Because the USFSA is still hoping that Peter and Naomi will get back together. This isn't the first time they have "broken up" but I do think this is the first time that it's not just a cry for attention.

[Smiley0084]

They had broken up before? When was this? Well even if the USFSA is still hoping for them to get back together, ultimetly L&T are the ones making the announcement, so I don't know what they're waiting for.

[Sylvia]

L&T formally announce they will skip the GP (but this USFSA press release doesn't say much else for now):
http://www.usfsa.org/news/2003-04/langtchern-august.htm?siteid=983

[Blue Ridge]

It doesn't say much but it does quote Naomi as saying she looks forward to continuing to skate with Peter, and quotes Peter as saying they could compete in the future. I would take this to mean they are not decided on their future, but likely will continue to skate together at least in exhibitions (okay so that's what I hope at least :) ).

[Smiley0084]

Yeah..I understand if they don't want to compete anymore, it must be especailly hard considering Naomi's ankle, but I would love to see them on SOI if they decide to retire. Sounds like they are going the Michelle Kwan route, just taking one thing at a time.

[Mayra]

When all else fails, break out with a pregnancy rumor, then wait for the results! ;)

[IceDanceSk8er]

Originally posted by Mayra
When all else fails, break out with a pregnancy rumor, then wait for the results! ;)

I honestly hope that we can all show some class and not even discuss a rumor like that.

[Mayra]

Yes, well we've all got to have a little hope. :P

[KingBob]

Originally posted by Smiley0084
Yeah..I understand if they don't want to compete anymore, it must be especailly hard considering Naomi's ankle, but I would love to see them on SOI if they decide to retire.

There was nothing wrong with Naomi's ankle last season... no cyst, no nothing

[icedancer2]

Originally posted by KingBob
There was nothing wrong with Naomi's ankle last season... no cyst, no nothing

So why all the buzz re: her achilles tendon, etc.???

All hype?

[Blue Ridge]

There were very detailed articles (for instance in the Washington Post) that Naomi had been diagnosed with a cyst, I believe on the achilles tendon that was the cause of pain she had to deal with all season and which forced L&T to withdraw from the GP last season. If someone says this was not the case, they are implying that L&T were lying about this, which is quite an accusation to make. :evil:

[IceDanceSk8er]

Originally posted by icedancer2
So why all the buzz re: her achilles tendon, etc.???

All hype?

Certainly looked like a cyst to me

[icedancer2]

Originally posted by IceDanceSk8er
Certainly looked and felt like a cyst to me

You SAW it?

[IceDanceSk8er]

Originally posted by icedancer2
You SAW it?

Sorry I should have been more clearer. There was a photo published on the internet of the ankle in question. You could definately see Naomi had some major ankle problems.

You can read this story. Scroll down to the headline "Lang Won't Let Up"
http://www.cmmskating.com/newslang.shtml

[icedancer2]

Originally posted by IceDanceSk8er
Sorry I should have been more clearer. There was a photo published on the internet of the ankle in question. You could definately see Naomi had some major ankle problems.

That is interesting. I don't doubt that there was a problem with her ankle, I just wondered why the previous poster was so positive there was nothing wrong with it!!!!????

I hope nobody publishes pictures of my ankles on the internet... :roll:

[IceDanceSk8er]

Originally posted by icedancer2
I hope nobody publishes pictures of my ankles on the internet... :roll:

If you ever get fitted for custom skates or orthodics, be sure you get the poloroids back. Boot fitters will sometimes take photos of the skaters feet and send them to the manufacturer...and sometimes they're not pretty :)

[IceDanceSk8er]

Well, here's the announcement we've been waiting for:
http://www.usfsa.org/news/news.htm

[dancerchic13]

Well I heard the reall reason L/T brought this whole big thing about the ankle was that if Ben and Tanith beat them at Nationals(this was predicted by a lot of ice dancers) they would have an excuse for it! But they got lucky because Ben and Tanith screwed up in their free dance costing them the gold medal.

[icedancer2]

Originally posted by dancerchic13
Well I heard the reall reason L/T brought this whole big thing about the ankle was that if Ben and Tanith beat them at Nationals(this was predicted by a lot of ice dancers) they would have an excuse for it! But they got lucky because Ben and Tanith screwed up in their free dance costing them the gold medal. \

Interesting rumor but how would that explain the whole skipipng the Grand Prix thingy?

Actually the longer I think about this, it seems ridiculous. Why would a competitor make something up like this because they were scared of losing?? I suppose this can happen, but I kind of doubt it.

[Smiley0084]

Didn't you guys know? Naomi and Peter pushed their brains together to use their eville pyskik powers(tm) to predict Tanith and Ben would win 2 GP medals!

[icedancer2]

Originally posted by Smiley0084
Didn't you guys know? Naomi and Peter pushed their brains together to use their eville pyskik powers(tm) to predict Tanith and Ben would win 2 GP medals!

Yeah -- that's right!! I think I heard that!! LOL

[speedy]

This thread's certainly produced a lot of nonsense. You were right about one thing, there was nothing wrong with Naomi's ankle last season...it was her Achilles' tendon. Accusing them of making this up is about as classless as spreading a pregnancy rumor. This kind of garbage is probably part of the reason Naomi's "taking a break" from this "sport." Hopefully they'll get back together next year after reassessing their respective futures.

[Biffer1997]

they took Yebin off

What happened to her? I must have missed something....:?:

[Sylvia]

Originally posted by Biffer1997
they took Yebin off

What happened to her? I must have missed something....:?:

See this thread for your answer:
http://www.skatingforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9518

[what?meworry?]

Originally posted by speedy
This thread's certainly produced a lot of nonsense...

yes, this whole issue has produced much nonsense...including naomi's "injury (fill in the definition) of the moment."

however, my comment is, now that we are in the ninth month of the year, not much is being said about the erstwhile team of lang/tchernyshev.

how soon we sweep (appaent)former competitors under the carpet.
how quickly we write off a troubled team.

anyone taking bets on whether or not they materialize at nationals???
or ever?????

[Smiley0084]

I don't doubt Naomi's injury at all, because I was at EOI last year, and saw Naomi and Peter's watered down, Peter centeric choero, and it was quite obvious to me Naomi was working through pain. They were quite catious, and Peter was skating as if he was "protecting" her. Though if one of them was in pain they shouldn't be doing exhibitions, unless they needed the money, like Alexei, ect. But I highly doubt we'll see them at nationals. It seems like Naomi needs a break and she means it. For a while I was like "well why haven't they said anything!" But now I realize what the heck do they owe us? It's their lives and their business, and it's bad enough people are making speculations they know nothing about. They said what they had to say in their USFSA statement, and they don't owe us a sentence more(not being snarky, just stating my .02 cents lol :D ) With that said I do hope we see them together at some point whether it be at SOI, or in competition. I need my PPT voids!!!

[what?meworry?]

as a member of the "a" envelope they get a ton of money from usfsa. so i think they do owe usfsa, at least, and the folks who supply usfsa with the funds, fans, media contracts, sponsors, concrete and specific information if they are not contributing to the fund-raising with their presence in competitions on behalf of the usfsa internationally and at nationals.

they are in their position of popular success because of their talent and hard work, but also because of the usfsa financial support and the opportunities provided by the years of competition nationally and internationally.

the competition with b/a was exciting and promoted extra interest in ice dance. greater excitment and interest generates tv interest which generates money.

i saw that program, but i heard also last year, the very same stuff that we heard this year. they did not train much last year either, a rumor swirled that naomi wanted to quit then.

i think it's a shame the "battle for the top spot" will not continue this year. might as well hand b/a the gold medal now.

also, how come no operation? that had been the latest comment regarding the injury, nothing since. is naomi's ankle ok enough for exhibitions but not competitions? how will the folks who buy tickects to see them feel about a "watered down" performance (if she is still suffering from the injury), not having taken measures to correct it? or is it now one of those injuries that requires only time out of the boot to heal?

[Smiley0084]

Originally posted by what?meworry?
as a member of the "a" envelope they get a ton of money from usfsa. so i think they do owe usfsa, at least, and the folks who supply usfsa with the funds, fans, media contracts, sponsors, concrete and specific information if they are not contributing to the fund-raising with their presence in competitions on behalf of the usfsa internationally and at nationals.

they are in their position of popular success because of their talent and hard work, but also because of the usfsa financial support and the opportunities provided by the years of competition nationally and internationally.

the competition with b/a was exciting and promoted extra interest in ice dance. greater excitment and interest generates tv interest which generates money.

i saw that program, but i heard also last year, the very same stuff that we heard this year. they did not train much last year either, a rumor swirled that naomi wanted to quit then.

i think it's a shame the "battle for the top spot" will not continue this year. might as well hand b/a the gold medal now.

also, how come no operation? that had been the latest comment regarding the injury, nothing since. is naomi's ankle ok enough for exhibitions but not competitions? how will the folks who buy tickects to see them feel about a "watered down" performance (if she is still suffering from the injury), not having taken measures to correct it? or is it now one of those injuries that requires only time out of the boot to heal?

You're right, they do owe the USFSA an explanation, but I meant "we" (the fans) are not the USFSA, and it's not really our business. If the ISU knew about them not competing back in June, I'm sure the USFSA knew. For some reason, they decided to wait until August to make some sort of announcement. Yes there were a lot of rumors going around about them not training, (AFAIK Naomi's injury was due to over-training while breaking in new boots, which I can tell you is very painful) and Naomi not wanting to comepte, but they are just that, rumors. I don't like to pry and speculate about other people's personal lives so I'll leave it at that. I too will miss the rivalry, but I would rather see them happy, and do what's in their best interest, than some rivalry. I'm sure we'll see a good fight for silver between G&P and G-R&M

[what?meworry?]

Originally posted by Smiley0084
You're right, they do owe the USFSA an explanation, but I meant "we" (the fans) are not the USFSA, and it's not really our business.

If the ISU knew about them not competing back in June, I'm sure the USFSA knew. For some reason, they decided to wait until August to make some sort of announcement.

I don't like to pry and speculate about other people's personal lives so I'll leave it at that.

boy, are you in the wrong medium!:lol:

seriously, though... the fans generate the popularity of skating aka tv revenues aka ticket sales. so, yes they are public figures and do owe their public more information than was and is forthcoming.

this is the second year of this. last year, i believe, it was hinted that since they accepted the money, they really need to compete. similarly for this year. hopefully, they will be honorable and not accept the funding, making it available for others, if they do not intend to compete. but being in the envelope, they are currently slated for funding. (fyi, a number of commercially successful skaters return the funding to usfsa even when they are fully participating in the competitive program.)

the situation of the isu removing them without any announcement from l/t of and by itself was very poor form on their part. from what i've seen, usfsa will not make any announcements until final decisions are made and apparently, other than the withdrawal, they were not willing to take a decision about their future. supposedly, peter was trying to convince her to work and continue, then, supposedly he was looking for a viable alternative partner, then, finally, they agreed upon a "press release" reason. but unlike the announcement by their agent, i believe there was no mention of that "operation" naomi was going to have.

curiouser and curiouser.

my original comment was that most everyone (except us for the moment)
has dismissed them.

[Smiley0084]

Originally posted by what?meworry?
[B]boy, are you in the wrong medium!:lol:

seriously, though... the fans generate the popularity of skating aka tv revenues aka ticket sales. so, yes they are public figures and do owe their public more information than was and is forthcoming.

True, as a fan, I have supported them and would like to know if they are going to compete, I just don't think they owe us a detailed explanation.

this is the second year of this. last year, i believe, it was hinted that since they accepted the money, they really need to compete. similarly for this year. hopefully, they will be honorable and not accept the funding, making it available for others, if they do not intend to compete. but being in the envelope, they are currently slated for funding. (fyi, a number of commercially successful skaters return the funding to usfsa even when they are fully participating in the competitive program.)

I hadn't heard anything about them not wanting to compete, ect. (Esp being in CT)last year, but I'll take your word for it if you have.

the situation of the isu removing them without any announcement from l/t of and by itself was very poor form on their part. from what i've seen, usfsa will not make any announcements until final decisions are made and apparently, other than the withdrawal, they were not willing to take a decision about their future. supposedly, peter was trying to convince her to work and continue, then, supposedly he was looking for a viable alternative partner, then, finally, they agreed upon a "press release" reason. but unlike the announcement by their agent, i believe there was no mention of that "operation" naomi was going to have.

curiouser and curiouser.

I agree with you on this. Even though I stand by what I said about certain things not being our business, they or the USFSA ahould have said something, (even if it was a simple statement about them being undecided about competing, staying together, ect.) just for the simple fact that certain people may or may not be going to Skate America, or other GP/exhibition events, just to see them. I'm just not sure if this was a boo-boo made by their PR camp or the USFSA, because as we all know the USFSA hasn't been exactly known to keept things up-to date.

[DancerFan]

L/T may well have declined all money offered by the USFSA for all we know; and they may have given the folks at USFSA more info than the general public gets. I'm sure Naomi and Peter haven't cashed in on any Team A envelope money if they're not going to compete. They may not know what their future plans include at the moment, and they may have chosen to keep fans in the dark, but they are not without integrity. They owe the public nothing, really; and perhaps it is a very difficult and painful decision for them, so they have decided to say nothing as of yet.

[WeBeEducated]

One team that I feel should move up drastically in standings this year is Navarro-Shmalo.
Their freedance year after year is stunning, original,and skated equally well by both partners.
Robert is a gold medalist in dance, singles, moves AND figures! He knows how to move on the ice. Kimberly is a long time icedancer, and is minoring in dance at Columbia Univeristy. Both have great edges, speed, and personality.
I hope this year they get the marks they deserve.

[SkateGuard]

You know, this is a question I have had for a long time...with all the splits, does the USFSA resind the funds for a dance/pairs team who splits up after the envelopes are announced, but before the season is over?

Considering the number of splits in dance and pairs over the years, it seems like there should be a policy in place or something.

Continuing from that idea, I would not be suprised if the USFSA was delaying the official announcement about L/T, trying to convince them to stick through 2006. Without L/T, we could have our National champs in Dance watching the 2006 Games on TV, considering B/A and Gre/Pet's citizenship situation!

Erin

[leepn]

From what I gather from the other posts, Peter is trying to talk Naomi into competing.

As for Gre/Pet, I don't think there is an issue. He will have citizenship for 2006. I believe they were married in 2001 and the normal process is 3 years.
Tanith on the other hand will need help from the government.

[KingBob]

Naomi wants to quit, Peter wants to keep skating, the USFSA wants them to keep skating and will give them EVERYthing they ask for in order to keep them skating. They won't take them off the envelope until the last moment possible.

And depsite being the USFSA being a very wealthy organization, the athletes see VERY little of that money. So although L/T are on the A envelope, they still pennies from the usfsa in comparison to what they spend each year on training.

I think they're done though, Naomi has spent most of the summer with her boyfriend, I can't imagine them being able to get back into competitve shape by Natls

[Smiley0084]

Originally posted by KingBob

I think they're done though, Naomi has spent most of the summer with her boyfriend, I can't imagine them being able to get back into competitve shape by Natls

:roll: Than I guess Naomi's Boyfriend would include many of the students Naomi has been teaching over the summer. Her BF has his own training to do as well.

ETA: L&T will be skating in a charity show, Oct. 4, 2003 in Danbury CT. http://www.cmmskating.com/