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what?meworry?

06-12-2003, 03:30 PM

http://www.fsuniverse.net

see "great skate debate"

thread "lang and tchernychev out of grand prix series"

sharpie is pretty accurate, usually, and she reports that they split (according to a v.g. "spy.")

here's the link to the current isu grand prix series lineup sans l/t

http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4844-136908-154124-36577-0-file,00.pdf

they are still listed for all competitions and team envelope"a" on the usfsa website: http://www.usfsa.org (look under news)

(edited to note that when the isu updates the roster, the link posted above won't work anymore. go to http://www.isu.org and to the grand prix and on the list of competitors.)

Leela

06-12-2003, 03:31 PM

There's a thread about it on FSUniverse (hope I'm not transgressing by mentioning another message board :oops: )
AFAIK, there's been no official announcement, but their names have been removed from the ISU list of participants in the Grand Prix events.

Mayra

06-12-2003, 04:46 PM

eek! Here's hoping they aren't splitting up.

what?meworry?

06-12-2003, 05:04 PM

well, they're definately off the isu list which is current through 6-11-03.
so there must be something going on.

usfsa hasn't posted anything about this on the website.

l/t's official website was last updated on 5/31 and has no information.

the 5th place senior team (nussear/gates) split right after nationals, the 6th place team (moxley/kirsanov) have either split or he still doesn't have a release from his federation.
that brings us to the 7th place team, navarro/shmalo (who have already competed internationally at the senior level).
it's possible usfsa will leave the positions open until after all the new senior teams compete at lake placid.
possibly they'll shift galler-rabinowitz/mitchell to skate america.

on the other hand, maybe usfsa is negotiating with them again to try to keep them a) together b) eligible (which ever the situation).

IceDanceSk8er

06-12-2003, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by Leela
Any news about Naomi and Peter. A rumor on another message board says they have split 8O

If Naomi and Peter split, their management will make an announcement. So what if they were removed from the ISU Grand Prix; they pulled out of competitions last year and stayed together. Naomi is having surgery this summer - figure out the rest and give it a rest.

what?meworry?

06-12-2003, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by IceDanceSk8er
If Naomi and Peter split, their management will make an announcement. So what if they were removed from the ISU Grand Prix; they pulled out of competitions last year and stayed together. Naomi is having surgery this summer - figure out the rest and give it a rest.

has she announced that she will have surgery this summer?
last i heard discussed, she was not planning to have any surgery.

but it's been very confusing over this past season as to just what was wrong with her foot/ankle/tendon and what needed to be done---something about a misdiagnosis? maybe i haven't been reading the reports carefully enough.

anyway, i suppose the publicist will get the information out right away given their disappearance off the isu roster for the grand prix and the questions it raises.

bad timing, if this is the case, i would think a professional publicist would have the press release out (or at least ready to go, not to mention ready to post on their website) as soon as they notified usfsa and isu they were pulling out of the grand prix series because of surgery. come to think of it, usfsa would have had to officially notify isu of l/t's withdrawal, so why isn't there a usfsa release about it?

(edited to add): i just read (on the shows thread) that they've performed in champions on ice in boston on 4-13 and in san jose on 5-30. they've probably done interviews during the shows for the local papers. can anyone in either boston or san jose shed light on this? did naomi talk of planned surgery this summer?

what?meworry?

06-13-2003, 12:31 AM

new information.

http://www.cmmskating.com/news.shtml

don't quite know what to make of this.

cmm stands for "collins marshall management" which is their agent.

i didn't see a date on this announcement, but it was reported to be "today" which would be friday 6-13 (oooo! watch out for ladders and black cats!) it says that naomi and peter are scheduled to participate in a summer camp and exhibition in hampton, virginia 7/23-25.
this could, of course, have been released before naomi's decision to have surgery this summer.

it would, however, if current, indicate that they have decided to go pro rather than split up.

i would expect their publicist, if he/she is competent, to have announced something regarding this withdrawal from the grand prix series before all this **** hit the fan!

Angel01673

06-13-2003, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by what?meworry?
new information.

http://www.cmmskating.com/news.shtml

don't quite know what to make of this.

cmm stands for "collins marshall management" which is their agent.

i didn't see a date on this announcement, but it was reported to be "today" which would be friday 6-13 (oooo! watch out for ladders and black cats!) it says that naomi and peter are scheduled to participate in a summer camp and exhibition in hampton, virginia 7/23-25.
this could, of course, have been released before naomi's decision to have surgery this summer.

it would, however, if current, indicate that they have decided to go pro rather than split up.

i would expect their publicist, it he/she is competent, to have announced something regarding this withdrawal from the grand prix series before all this **** hit the fan!

I know, I don't know what their agent/publicist is thinking! There are rumors ranging from them breaking up, to Peter being abducted by aliens. I don't think they are breaking up, but I bet all this probably has to do with Naomi's injury. Poor girl, I know what it's like to go through that myself, if must be so frustrating.

what?meworry?

06-13-2003, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by Angel01673
I know, I don't know what their agent/publicist is thinking! There are rumors ranging from them breaking up, to Peter being abducted by aliens. I don't think they are breaking up, but I bet all this probably has to do with Naomi's injury. Poor girl, I know what it's like to go through that myself, if must be so frustrating.

uh, the alien thing was a joke. they wanted clones of "ppt" (porny---as in sexy---peter t.)as well as zimmerman clones to distribute amongst the interested female posters. the fsu folks are more than a bit nuts, and have a great collective sense of humor.

the bottom line here, however, is that l/t are off the isu roster for the grand prix competitions (for the second year) and no press release has been issued from cmm, usfsa or lang/tchernychev regarding the reason why.

this official silence smacks of an unplanned, uh, "situation."

unfortunately, this scenario gives more credibility to sharpie's post that her "very good spies" have reported to her that they have split.

the rumored situation also gives credibility to the information i recieved before nationals last year that indicated that a split was likely.

speedy

06-13-2003, 01:59 AM

If Naomi and Peter split, their management will make an announcement. So what if they were removed from the ISU Grand Prix; they pulled out of competitions last year and stayed together. Naomi is having surgery this summer - figure out the rest and give it a rest.

From what I've heard, I don't think this is like "last year." The only thing being given a rest is their partnership. Sorry to see them go out like this. :(

Trillian

06-13-2003, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by what?meworry?
it would, however, if current, indicate that they have decided to go pro rather than split up.

Or that they've simply decided not to compete for a year or two, which seems like the more likely explanation to me at this point.

My general response to the suggestion that they might have split is--who the h*ll else are they going to skate with? (Granted, I can think of several potential partners for both, but none with whom there's much chance they'd get anywhere near the results.) Considering the outlook is so bleak from that angle, the next question would be whether either or both is ready to give up performing entirely. If the answer to that question is no, I would think they'd stay together for practical reasons if nothing else. If both of them wanted to continue to skate, either competing or professionally, it makes no sense to think they could do it with anyone besides each other.

Angel01673

06-13-2003, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by speedy
From what I've heard, I don't think this is like "last year." The only thing being given a rest is their partnership. Sorry to see them go out like this. :(

What do you mean? I just don't see them breaking up, because how else would they make money? I could see if they wanted to go pro and tour with SOI, though.

what?meworry?

06-13-2003, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Trillian
Or that they've simply decided not to compete for a year or two, which seems like the more likely explanation to me at this point.

My general response to the suggestion that they might have split is--who the h*ll else are they going to skate with? (Granted, I can think of several potential partners for both, but none with whom there's much chance they'd get anywhere near the results.)

good point. i don't fully understand the rules regarding taking time off eligible competition to perform/compete commercially and still retain eligibility. michele kwan and todd eldridge did that, but usfsa published an announcement and wrote articles about it.

and, isn't there some obligation to usfsa given that it is through usfsa competition and financial support that they have gained this popularity in the first place?
(in the "a" envelope they get a lot of money even potentially beyond the official sum---i believe i read about discretionary money available in the governing council report somewhere?)
i believe there is a written contract between athletes and usfsa addressing such obligations. they retain all their winnings and earnings but have competition and participation obligations to usfsa.

goodness knows we need any and all strong international presence in dance we can get to lay the groundwork for teams on the way up!

regarding alternate partners, last year i had heard what i thought were "reasonably" believable rumors from several sources that naomi was losing interest, wanted to get married, was not practicing, and so on and on and on...that peter was upset and wanted to continue competing.

but he's 32. i think he was the oldest skater at the olympics. i can only guess that any new partner would be someone already at the top internationally---none of whom would keep him eligible for the olympics unless he went back to skate for russia (which i believe is easier to do, citizenship-wise for a partner, than here).

(edited to add) just noticed that on the usfsa international assignments page, the list was updated as of 6-11-03 and l/t are still on it.
curiouser and curiouser since that is also the "as of" date on the isu roster that was first noticed that had them deleted. (the current version is dated 6-13)

Debbie S

06-13-2003, 10:47 AM

It could be that they've decided to "go pro" and join COI full-time (is there still a winter tour?). With P/S retiring, Tom Collins (who essentially represents L/T) is probably in need of a top U.S. dance team for the tour. If you think about it, L/T have won 5 U.S. titles, they're now slipping behind B/A in the world pecking order, so what else is there for them to do? I imagine that after Worlds, they sat down w/Morosov and discussed their options for regaining their status as the top U.S dance team internationally, and they may have decided that with all they've accomplished and the years they've been competing, they just don't feel like putting that kind of effort into their training any more. After all, Peter is 32, and Naomi's what, 27? They may have decided that physically and financially, it might be better for them to focus on touring and perhaps doing coaching clincs, like they're doing in VA in July.

Trillian

06-13-2003, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Debbie S
After all, Peter is 32, and Naomi's what, 27?

I think Naomi is still only 24, but it's still a good point. If there was any truth to the rumors that Naomi was losing interest in competing (which I heard also last year, but not from a reliable source), I could see the results of worlds being more discouraging. I don't see Naomi and Peter as being completely out of the running, especially with Morozov as their coach, but it's going to take a lot of work on their part to keep up with B&A.

Along the same note (Naomi possibly losing interest in competing), I can think of a few potential U.S. partners for Peter who aren't on the last legs of their competitive careers. Granted, none of them are at a top-ten-in-the-world level (yet), and Peter may not have the time to wait for someone to develop, but at least he'd have options. I'm sure he wouldn't be very happy about it.

Guess we'll have to wait and see. L&T could also do what Kwan and Eldredge have done in recent years--sitting out the big ISU events, touring with COI and maintaining their eligibility, and as I said in my first post, right now that seems to me like the most logical explanation. Also I would add that it seems foolish for a dance team as they'd probably never regain their place in the world rankings, so retiring from competition altogether also seems like a logical choice.

Angel01673

06-13-2003, 02:06 PM

Thaks for the info, gee they seem a bit fickle. I guess a lot will depend on Naomi's ankle though. I wonder if they are training new programs just incase.

what?meworry?

06-13-2003, 02:18 PM

well, not so fast.

"the hartford courant" is "america's oldest continuously published newspsper" and tommy hine does work there. confirmed that, so the post is legit. i wonder if he gets to break the story tomorrow!

http://www.ctnow.com

that, however, doesn't explain how, with such apparently uncharacteristicly sloppy handling, usfsa could have been notified of this seemingly straightforward situation, notify the isu, and fail to put up a news story! usfsa staff is much too sharp for that.
or, have our "a" envelope skaters now taken dealing directly with the isu? also unlikely.

while i doubt this story is a simple as presented (in fact, i suspect it was a big mess), the fact of l/t being reinstated on the isu roster will speak for itself when it is done.

and, we will forever wonder if sharpie really blew it this time, or if the real-deal story was just swept under the carpet!

don't ya just love the soap opera?

speedy

06-13-2003, 02:58 PM

It's entirely likely that one of them wants different things than the other, leading to a split. That's the most likely scenario. Press releases, agents and non-information from the USFSA is not the place to find out.

what?meworry?

06-13-2003, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by what?meworry?
...until then, the isu is going to return their names to the list of seeds for the three grand prix events." ...

hey, i just thought of this:

CAN (or would) the isu return l/t to their seeded positions since other teams have been put in their place?

Mayra

06-13-2003, 05:08 PM

Imagine D&S getting news on their new seeded status, only for word to get back and oops, L&T want back in and you're being bumped back down again. :?? On the other hand L&T wouldn't need to be re-seeded in order to get 3 spots on the gp circuit.

As a whole, it sounds like this team is splitsville, or at least thinking about it.

WeBeEducated

06-13-2003, 06:57 PM

I think Naomi and Peter are getting weary of elegible skating, and know that their appeal as touring icedancers will last only as long as they are recent National champs.
Peter's age is a factor too probably.
The tours have not been selling out and a source close to COI told me things are drastically slowing down in terms of paying customers. Only the most popular skaters/teams will be featured if this trend continues, and the income potential for Naomi and Peter doesnt look too promising compared to the past few years during the skating boom.
Naomi's bf is touring, so I can imagine that they will do the tour this year, and probably never return to eligible skating.

jkl

06-13-2003, 07:29 PM

I've been busy. Who's Naomi's boyfriend?

what?meworry?

06-13-2003, 11:21 PM

i've been reading and mulling over the posts at fsu and piti.

"peach" is a pretty astute poster, and i give her information a good deal of credibility.

she thinks, based on the "rink rats" and other sources, that l/t are history. there's a source on that board that knows them, but won't tell straight out what the deal is (if he knows), but hints at the team being not long for this world for a menu of reasons.

sharpie, to my knowledge, doesn't make a lot of mistakes in her best guesses. morrie stillwell has been known to communicate with fsu's prime people, and sharpie knows him. (insider trading?)

the situation as played out, smells to high heaven when all the pieces are lumped together.

as of right now, i'd put serious money on l/t being history and ppt looking for another partner.

also, it is highly suspicious that once the news broke on fsu, that there are over 8,000 hits on the thread, and not one official word has been published about the matter. if usfsa notified isu of something that caused the withdrawal, why no press release? what's going on with l/t's publicist---caught napping? aaargh!

now, given all that, i may need to eat my words if the isu reinstates lang/tchernyshev in the grand prix series, as tommy hine reports the agent told him. (and, what is the identity of their publicist anyway. cmm is the "agent" at least thru the end of july, but there is the rumor of their being approached by soi.)

but i'll gladly do so to have two top ten international dance teams for usfsa. pass the ketchup!

IgglesII

06-14-2003, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by WeBeEducated
The tours have not been selling out and a source close to COI told me things are drastically slowing down in terms of paying customers. Only the most popular skaters/teams will be featured if this trend continues,

Maybe Mr. Collins should spend a little time figuring out why no one shows up. Could be they'd rather see world medalist ice dancers & pairs skaters (which we rarely ever see with his tour), instead of acrobats and hula-hoopers.

As for Naomi & Peter - could it be that the USFSA hasn't made a formal announcement about anything, and the publicist and/or agent has also held off, because there are people working behind the scenes to try and put these two back together (assuming that they did split)?

I can't imagine, considering where the USFSA could be in the World dance standings next year with a healthy Naomi & Peter as well as Tanith & Ben, that the USFSA would let this go without a fight.

butterfly

06-14-2003, 05:24 PM

This should not come as a surprise. I think those two have been hanging on by a thin thread for a long time. When they were at DSC they did nothing but fight. Peter is old for even ice dancing competition and should be performing in an ice show somewhere making a little money or modeling or whatever he does. She has an injury and I think they have lost the desire to go on. What the USFSA should do is concentrate on developing new talent. In my opinion, by their not taking an active support, they see great young talent slip away or move away. The USFSA is part of the problem, and they certainly shouldn't waste their time keeping and an "over and done" team together.

Angel01673

06-14-2003, 05:39 PM

If they did "nothing but fight" since they were at DSC, I doubt they would have survive as many coaching changes as they have had. I know rumors have been spreading, but IMO there are some that are getting streched out here. Even if your cousin's sister inlaw's, best friends daugther's, nephew's ex girlfriend's, 21st cousin said so.

Trillian

06-14-2003, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by butterfly
The USFSA is part of the problem, and they certainly shouldn't waste their time keeping and an "over and done" team together.

Keeping this "over and done" team together gives us a shot at three Olympic berths in 2006. If they split, forget it--ain't gonna happen, not a chance, no matter how much you might like some of the younger teams. Regardless of what you might think of these two in terms of long term potential, their placements are a major reason we have the competitive opportunities for some younger teams. That's reason enough to worry about whether or not they stay together--I, for one, wouuld like to see us get three spots for the 2005 worlds and potentially even three spots for 2006.

IceDanceSk8er

06-14-2003, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by butterfly
The USFSA is part of the problem, and they certainly shouldn't waste their time keeping and an "over and done" team together.

First of all the USFSA is not part of any problem. The USFSA does not develop teams - coaches do. The USFSA does not keep teams together - skaters keep teams together. Trillan, I couldn't agree with you more.

skatingvision

06-14-2003, 09:46 PM

I hope this isn't true. Sadly, L&T are the best elegible dance team that represents the US. IMO, B&A are overated, and obviously aren't enough for 3 spots as sadly, our other dance teams are, well, poor. with B&A being overrated, and L&T's rumored split, US dance is now extremely weak.

IceDanceSk8er

06-14-2003, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by skatingvision
I hope this isn't true. Sadly, L&T are the best elegible dance team that represents the US. IMO, B&A are overated, and obviously aren't enough for 3 spots as sadly, our other dance teams are, well, poor. with B&A being overrated, and L&T's rumored split, US dance is now extremely weak.

You are totally out of your mind

butterfly

06-14-2003, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by IceDanceSk8er
First of all the USFSA is not part of any problem. The USFSA does not develop teams - coaches do. The USFSA does not keep teams together - skaters keep teams together. Trillan, I couldn't agree with you more. I respect Trillian's opinion, but we wouldn't have to worry about keeping an uninspired, tired team to save us if the USFSA would work together with the coaches to help them do more than just teach twizzles. We need counseling to keep these young people together more than one or two years. The successful teams are the teams that stick it out together. There may be coaches out there that help their teams respect one another, give them pep talks when the going gets tough...but I have not experienced that. Most of the Russian coaching is done by tyrants you don't even care what happens to the psychological side of these teams. They work them like dogs and expect them to be robots. They experience burnout early. The USFSA could be more active in knowing what these teams go through in a season and look for solutions. Look at the "change partners event" that takes place after every season.

As far as L/T are concerned they were wonderful while they skated, but they did fight at DSC so much that Igor told them to hit the road. I believe that if they had stayed with Igor they would have been much more successful by now, but because of their bickering they blew valuable years. I could see the friction between them when being interviewed on TV after nationals this past year, the smiles were through their teeth. He is adorable and she is sweet and they were great but they ARE over. Trillian don't even think 2006, it ain't gonna happen. Just being realistic.

butterfly

06-14-2003, 10:25 PM

Angel01673

06-14-2003, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by butterfly
I respect Trillian's opinion, but we wouldn't have to worry about keeping an uninspired, tired team to save us if the USFSA would work together with the coaches to help them do more than just teach twizzles. We need counseling to keep these young people together more than one or two years. The successful teams are the teams that stick it out together. There may be coaches out there that help their teams respect one another, give them pep talks when the going gets tough...but I have not experienced that. Most of the Russian coaching is done by tyrants you don't even care what happens to the psychological side of these teams. They work them like dogs and expect them to be robots. They experience burnout early. The USFSA could be more active in knowing what these teams go through in a season and look for solutions. Look at the "change partners event" that takes place after every season.

As far as L/T are concerned they were wonderful while they skated, but they did fight at DSC so much that Igor told them to hit the road. I believe that if they had stayed with Igor they would have been much more successful by now, but because of their bickering they blew valuable years. I could see the friction between them when being interviewed on TV after nationals this past year, the smiles were through their teeth. He is adorable and she is sweet and they were great but they ARE over. Trillian don't even think 2006, it ain't gonna happen. Just being realistic.

That's funny, because AFAIK the bickering was between Liz and Igor, and that came straight from L&T's mouth in an interview. But maybe there was bickering all around. The point is that only Naomi and Peter know the 100 percent truth, so why go around spreading rumors, as if they are truth. Unless Naomi and Peter told you themselves, or you saw something with your own two eyes, it's nothing but gossip. And yeah they their smiles were definetly faked after the OD, but after they won, they looked happy to me. But I guess that is left up to the individuals interpretation.

what?meworry?

06-14-2003, 11:16 PM

with all due respect, angel...the description of l/t's relationship is pretty accurate by all accounts. it was disruptive. naomi would get off the ice a lot, they argued a lot.

Angel01673

06-14-2003, 11:34 PM

All I'm saying is that it's internet gossip. Unless you were there you can't know for sure. And why would go around reporting things as fact unless you saw it with your own eyes, no matter how many "sources" you have. This is has to do with people's personal lives here. They are not puppets. Things do tend to get blown up as they go down "the telephone" line.

hippiechick

06-15-2003, 01:00 AM

Well I saw Naomi & Peter skate at COI this year and they looked anything but 'over and done'; they were awesome. They are a wonderful dance team and it will be really sad if they do not continue. They will certainly be missed next season.

what?meworry?

06-15-2003, 02:01 AM

what?meworry?

06-15-2003, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by hippiechick
Well I saw Naomi & Peter skate at COI this year and they looked anything but 'over and done'; they were awesome. They are a wonderful dance team and it will be really sad if they do not continue. They will certainly be missed next season.

no doubt. (what's the deal with naomi's injury needing surgery after 7/25 if she has no problems skating in coi?)

they looked like "show skaters" at nationals (and if b/a had not made so many mistakes in their freedance, l/t would have placed second).

figure skating is unusual in that the "amateur" skaters are more competent, more skilled, than the "pros."

in most other sports, the "pros" are more skilled. (baseball, basketball, hockey, etc.)

i agree that l/t are great artistic performers, but they fall short in the precision/controlled/creative combination that guarantees usfsa/isu competitive medals. at least recently, with the injury issues.

they'd have to work a lot harder than naomi appears, from reports, to be willing to do, in order to attain higher rank in international competition.

hence their agent's comment to the hartford reporter that they will do the camp 7/23-25 and then naomi will have surgery, and after that they will decide what to do. meanwhile, isu is supposed to reinstate them on the grand prix roster. that, i expect, will be evident soon.

i whole-heartedly agree with trillian that usfsa needs them to maintain competitive positions for the united states. they have recieved significant funding to help them in their training in order to do so and owe more than some loyalty to usfsa to sustain our international positions.

i still hope, (and i have no doubt that usfsa is involved in convincing them to stay together for the greater good and because they took all that financing) that they will continue their competitive career.

quark

06-15-2003, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by Angel01673
All I'm saying is that it's internet gossip. Unless you were there you can't know for sure. And why would go around reporting things as fact unless you saw it with your own eyes, no matter how many "sources" you have. This is has to do with people's personal lives here. They are not puppets. Things do tend to get blown up as they go down "the telephone" line. Angel, you're not listening; it's not internet gossip. I was there and "saw" exactly what Butterfly has described as disruptive practices. Reasons for their fighting are their personal business and haven't been made public. There's no reason to go there. Don't believe newspapers or even their own public quotes. What would you expect them to say? The "fact" of their disruption is well-known by any dance team on the ice at the DSC during those turbulent days. Public events seen by many, including myself, are not rumour. No matter how good a dance team, problems surrounding their personal lives carry over into practice. It's not "good or bad", just another part of the total package making up a team.

As far as bickering between Igor and Liz at the time, that's right, but it was not specific to Peter and Naomi. Not resolving issues that resulted in Liz leaving the DSC was probably the worst mistake Igor has made over the past few years. Igor's choice for her replacement helped throw the DSC dance program more deeply into a tailspin. The only major teams Igor has left are Belbin and Agosto, and Wing and Lowe. Today, bickering is the least of the problems with the dance program at the DSC, and other threads are even discussing it's very survival.

Peter and Naomi are a wonderful dance team. But, I wonder if they've decided they're fighting a lost cause in moving up in the world ranks, or in keeping Tanith Belbin and Ben Agosto from supplanting them at the head of the national team. For many reasons, their future is certainly less optimistic than it was a couple of years ago. Other than talking with Peter briefly after leaving the DSC, I have no specific information about the team. I don't know the team's health, the status of their plans, or their personal objectives. But, I believe they're in a difficult position, and no one should be surprised if they chose not to run around the maze one more time. After all, what they'll find at the end is just a little piece of cheese! 8-)

Trillian

06-15-2003, 06:32 AM

One thought on whatever personal conflict was going on back in the DSC days: it's entirely possible that the environment was helping to create the conflict. Sometimes people who are unhappy with something about a situation project it onto other areas. Considering what's happened to just about every other one of Igor's dance teams, it wouldn't exactly be a stretch to imagine that. Otoh, based on what I've heard, I'm sure Naomi and Peter aren't best friends even now--but where are the reports of "disruptive" behavior in New Jersey or Connecticut? Maybe things are better, or maybe they're better at controlling their hostility, or maybe it's just as bad and we're not hearing about it.

Either way, I don't buy any of that as a valid reason for breaking up this partnership, so discussing it here is sort of silly. If they both want to continue skating, they need to just deal with each other, because it's the only opportunity they've got. If one of them wants to quit, well, that's another story entirely.

Aussie Willy

06-15-2003, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by Angel01673
There are rumors ranging from them breaking up, to Peter being abducted by aliens.
Well I was kind of thinking that he would be abducted by a bunch of women who think he and John Z are just gorgeous and wish to keep them prisoner and lavish attention and affection on both of them! That is the more logical rumour.

Smiley0084

06-15-2003, 08:36 AM

Wow, big deal so Naomi and Peter aren't Barbie and Ken. Of course they are going to argue, and yell, and scream, and get frustrated. In fact I would think it's weird if they didn't. Partners fight, and I've seen MUCH worse. But I agree that the enviornment of DSC probably didn't help, and only Naomi, Peter, and Igor know exactly what happened and exactly why they left. But that's probably none of our business anyway.

This thread is turning into my high school :lol: It's like when the head cheerleader and the QB break up. Everyone sees the big fight in the cafeteria, but they still don't know why, because they are not on the inside, but since they saw the fight they pretend to be, and tell everyone and the lunch lady they know why they broke up. I know, strange analogy. I know it's the off season, but come on.