Marina Zoueva

[butterfly]

Can anyone verify?? I have heard that Marina Zoueva will no longer be at DSC. I'm not surprised, I don't think she brought much to the club and her instruction of compulsories for dance was a disaster.

[Pupiczech]

I heard her contract would not be renewed.

[Norlite]

Any idea where she's going? Back to Minto?
And Fedor?

[Pupiczech]

I've heard where she might be going but can't say right now. I'll check again to see what's happening.

[trains]

I have also heard that Marina is leaving DSC. I also heard that Johnny Johns was leaving as well.

[Skatingsarah]

Well I havent heard she that she is coming back to Minto, but I doubt that would be her top decision to come back to Minto. I'm surprised, but I think Igor is the real source of Dance coaching there. Hope she will be able to settle down in another club and start up coaching again. If anyone has more info on where shes going and why shes going (is it really the fact that her contract wasnt renewed..?) I'm just curious ;)
-Sarah

[Angel01673]

I wonder who Igor will take on as an assistant. He can't possibly take on all those teams unless he decides he doesn't need to sleep.

[11yrskate]

I'm curious, if anyone knows, that if they are leaving Detroit are they all going to the same location. Or is Marina moving to one place and J.Johns going another?

[11yrskate]

Additional, does anyone know how many coaches are leaving DSC?

[tulip]

So any word on where Zueva is going? Is Johnny Johns going with her?

[Catherine M]

Originally posted by tulip
So any word on where Zueva is going? Is Johnny Johns going with her?

And any word on if Karam & McGrath will go with Zueva, their long-time coach or will they stay with Igor at DSC?

[iluv2skate]

Hi

[Artemis]

Originally posted by Norlite
And Fedor?

Fedor moved to Richard Callaghan last year, so he likely won't be affected. I think his mother was still choreographing for him last year, but she can do that regarless of where she ends up.

[trains]

Karam & McGrath are staying at DSC.

[what?meworry?]

Originally posted by trains
I have also heard that Marina is leaving DSC. I also heard that Johnny Johns was leaving as well.

yikes! i can't imagine jjjohns leaving dsc! but i can see mz out of the deal. igor needs a technician, not another choreographer. i just don't know who he'd find to fill the job.

[lazenpa]

i heard allen achram, johnny maurin, chris bowman and heard igor was leaving just hearsay though

[Skatingsarah]

Originally posted by lazenpa
i heard allen achram, johnny maurin, chris bowman and heard igor was leaving just hearsay though

OMG, I know thats hearsay but lord if thats true I can only imagine! Thats quite alot of coaches in DSC, Mostly Igor, wow if Igor and Marina pick up and leave what happens to dancing there!! Scary.
-Sarah

[NAdancefan]

I have also heard that because the DSC is refusing to renew Marina's contract, Igor is seriously considering relocating with her to another club in the area.

[butterfly]

Originally posted by NAdancefan
I have also heard that because the DSC is refusing to renew Marina's contract, Igor is seriously considering relocating with her to another club in the area. Don't be ridiculous! Marina has created her own situation....bad behavior and poor coaching why should Igor leave because she messes up her life. If Igor leaves it won't be because of Marina.

[quark]

Originally posted by butterfly
Don't be ridiculous! Marina has created her own situation....bad behavior and poor coaching why should Igor leave because she messes up her life. If Igor leaves it won't be because of Marina. I agree. Johnny Johns is the key. If Igor does leave the DSC it will be to follow Johnny Johns, who gave him his most successful coaching job in the US. I always thought Marina's contract was with Igor, and I would not be surprised if her lack of performance over the last two years in dance caused Igor not to renew her contract.

[NAdancefan]

Originally posted by butterfly
Don't be ridiculous! Marina has created her own situation....bad behavior and poor coaching why should Igor leave because she messes up her life. If Igor leaves it won't be because of Marina. Well, all you say could be true, but I heard the news about Igor contemplating leaving with Marina from a very reliable source within the DSC.

[butterfly]

Originally posted by NAdancefan
Well, all you say could be true, but I heard the news about Igor contemplating leaving with Marina from a very reliable source within the DSC. I reiterate, "IF" Igor leaves it will not be because of Marina. It will be for a bigger reason, and based soley on what benefits Igor the most.

I believe this to be the story that prevails in the coaching world. Badly behaved coaches being banished to another rink, where they just begin again. If Igor wishes to follow them so be it.

[CanadianSkater]

Badly behaved? Do you know why her contract has not been renewed? Does anyone?

[PlatniumAngel]

I have taken from Marina myself, she is a great coach and a lovely woman. She has given alot to the Detroit Skating Club. I would appreciate it if you would nicely discuss her situation without slandering her name. Thank you.

[popeye]

Are there any nearby rinks that could accomodate these coaches?

[Roseline]

Originally posted by popeye
Are there any nearby rinks that could accomodate these coaches?

There are lots of rinks in the area, but a lot of DSC coaches seem to go to Onyx in Rochester, which is where Callaghan is.

There are a zillion clubs in metro-Detroit, Michigan and the clubs right over the border in Windsor. The clubs are quite a distance apart, but would Ann Arbor take such high-profile coaches?

[quark]

Originally posted by popeye
Are there any nearby rinks that could accomodate these coaches? Peter Tchernyshev's and Igor Shipilband's former wives coach at the Rochester Onyx rink. It was built in 1999, and is less than 25 minutes from the DSC. Richard Callaghan, coach of Marina's son Fedor Andreev, is also at the Onyx. I don't know if the rink has a specific club affiliation.

[Roseline]

Originally posted by quark
Peter Tchernyshev's and Igor Shipilband's former wives coach at the Rochester Onyx rink. It was built in 1999, and is less than 25 minutes from the DSC. Richard Callaghan, coach of Marina's son Fedor Andreev, is also at the Onyx. I don't know if the rink has a specific club affiliation.

Onyx Skating Academy. Justin Pekarek was their dance director before he went back to skating. Christie Jaszewski and Dusty Brinsmade represent Onyx in competition.

[quark]

Originally posted by PlatniumAngel
I have taken from Marina myself, she is a great coach and a lovely woman. She has given alot to the Detroit Skating Club. I would appreciate it if you would nicely discuss her situation without slandering her name. Thank you. Slander or libel only applies if the statements are untrue, and in the case of a public figure, untrue on purpose.

I've commented many times on Marina's inadequacies as a coach, especially for teaching dance compulsories or physical training. This is a legitimate subject for discussion with respect to a dance coach, and you're entitled to your opinion.

I fully agree with Butterfly's comments, and anyone who knows what has happened at the DSC over the last two years is aware of gross contradictions to your statement that she is a lovely woman, or has given a lot to the DSC. You clearly don't know anything about recent history at the DSC. There are moral and personal issues swirling around people at the DSC that normally shouldn't be the subject of public discussion since they have nothing to do with coaching. However, if public knowledge of these issues reflect badly on the image of the club, the directors of the rink have to make decisions. I applaud the stand taken by the directors of the DSC, who have placed the interests of their students first and foremost over the fame of their coaches. Bravo!

[PlatniumAngel]

Slander or libel only applies if the statements are untrue, and in the case of a public figure, untrue on purpose.

I've commented many times on Marina's inadequacies as a coach, especially for teaching dance compulsories or physical training. This is a legitimate subject for discussion with respect to a dance coach, and you're entitled to your opinion.

I fully agree with Butterfly's comments, and anyone who knows what has happened at the DSC over the last two years is aware of gross contradictions to your statement that she is a lovely woman, or has given a lot to the DSC. You clearly don't know anything about recent history at the DSC. There are moral and personal issues swirling around people at the DSC that normally shouldn't be the subject of public discussion since they have nothing to do with coaching. However, if public knowledge of these issues reflect badly on the image of the club, the directors of the rink have to make decisions. I applaud the stand taken by the directors of the DSC, who have placed the interests of their students first and foremost over the fame of their coaches. Bravo!
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That's your opinion. If I say she is a lovely person, that's my opinion. Your treating it as if everyone agree's with you -- which they don't. I am free to express myself. Just because YOU feel she didn't do a good job coaching her student's, doesn't mean she's a horrible person!!! and whatever she does in her personal life is her business. It did not physical affect anyone at DSC or her students. The directors of DSC did what they felt necessary, and that's fine. Whatever issues Marina may have going on in her life, or mistakes she has made (In her coaching or personal life) doesn't make her a bad person. She HAS attributed alot to DSC in the past, she's tried her best. You stated there are gross contradictions of Marina being a lovely woman... I couldn't imagine someone thinking badly of her as a person. She's great, that's all I have to say. :-)
:) :)

[Russiansk8]

I heard that Johnny and Igor are looking to move their programs to Texas, Dallas Stars Starcenter facilities. Can anyone confirm this ??

[quark]

Originally posted by Russiansk8
I heard that Johnny and Igor are looking to move their programs to Texas, Dallas Stars Starcenter facilities. Can anyone confirm this ?? Unless Igor is willing to give up his boat, one of his most enjoyable hobbies, moving to Texas sounds highly unlikely. Anyone know if there's a lake near Dallas?:?:

Moving their programs includes relocation by their pair and dance teams. Seems like it would be much easier to relocate near by, unless the waters are just too muddied.

[Rogue]

There are lots of lakes around Dallas. Lake Dallas. Grapevine Lake. Whiterock Lake. Joe Poole Lake. Lake Ray Hubbard. Not to mention other lakes within an hour's driving distance.

[butterfly]

Originally posted by Rogue
There are lots of lakes around Dallas. Lake Dallas. Grapevine Lake. Whiterock Lake. Joe Poole Lake. Lake Ray Hubbard. Not to mention other lakes within an hour's driving distance. Once you have seen a Michigan lake there are no lakes in Texas to compare. :) Somehow it is a funny image to picture Igor in a big cowboy hat and boots. I guess my feeling is, who cares.

[NorthernLite]

Originally posted by butterfly
Once you have seen a Michigan lake there are no lakes in Texas to compare. :)

LOL exactly. Hundreds of lakes, and a couple of really *great* ones not too far away. So if he likes sports on unfrozen water too ...

There are so many freaking rinks in the Detroit area alone, though I don't have any idea which might be interested in contracting with/accomodating elite staff and skaters.

But if anyone know for sure what's going on, you aren't saying. So I guess it's a bit premature to speculate on who'd replace them at DSC? :lol: :twisted:

Man, alot of stuff happened at MI rinks this past year, eh. Must have been that looong winter made everyone go a little nuts. ;)

[Rogue]

Originally posted by butterfly
Once you have seen a Michigan lake there are no lakes in Texas to compare. :) Somehow it is a funny image to picture Igor in a big cowboy hat and boots. I guess my feeling is, who cares.

I'll have to give you that.

We'd all find it funny to see him in big cowboy hat and boots too. The only time you see a cowboy hat in Dallas is during the rodeo or on a tourist.

[lilpairsk8ter]

Originally posted by NorthernLite

Man, alot of stuff happened at MI rinks this past year, eh. Must have been that looong winter made everyone go a little nuts. ;)

HEHEHE thats a good one :lol: and not just at the DSC eather other rinks have had thier problems too :roll: It what keeps skating exciting especially during the off season.

[popeye]

If any changes do occur-- when would it probably happen?

[quark]

Originally posted by popeye
If any changes do occur-- when would it probably happen? Marina Zoueva's last day was May 31. Did anyone hear her humming the line from "Buttons and Bows"..."East is east and west is west, and the wrong one I have chose....." as she left the rink? :P

[Sparkey]

Did I miss something, or do we still not know where she's going?

[Leela]

Marina's contract ended May 31, but she's staying on as guest coach thru at least the summer program.

[WeBeEducated]

The Ann Arbor rink experienced it's own version of rather shocking "personal" unprofessionalism by a few coaches this year, so I wouldnt send Marina in that direction.
Add that to the substantial allegations reported against Callaghan in the recent past and it does make you wonder if these coaches have any sense of accountability and morals.8O

[what?meworry?]

i believe there were rumors previously of an igor migration, but nothing happened then.

don't we think this might just be a power play to force dsc to retain marina? anyway, why would igor do that? she's not strong in the technical skills that he needs to complement his creativity.

so, would marina's son move too? tanith is his girlfriend (for quite some time now), would they split? and who would marina's son work with? (no rink management in the right mind would take on a liability like callahan given the alleged history, especially in dallas after the gordie mcclelland scandal). and johnny johns, i read the thread, but why would any area take on any more liability?

the inertia is massive. i just can't see this as a legitimate consideration.

[WOSsk8ergirl]

marina, igor, johnny johns and fedor coach teams together in canton michigan at the arctic edge complex. but 2 weeks ago fedor moved to florida for training to get back in competitive and possibly go to the olympics