Favorite dance team? [Archive]

supersk8er

05-19-2003, 03:40 PM

Along with Bourne and Kraatz, my other all time favorite is Anjelika Krylova and Oleg Ovsyannikov...I thought that they were amazing...And at the 1998 Olympics, I thought there was no way that Grishkuk and Platov should have won, and being the noble fan that I am, I thought Bourne and Kraatz should have won...But ofcourse that couldn't happen, and I for surely thought that Krylova and Ovsynnikov deserved the title.

sonora

05-19-2003, 03:53 PM

B&K are not particularly good skaters, unless you like forward 2 footed skating that is slow with no particularly inventive choreography.

Pasha Grishuk is the best female ice dancer ever, hands down.

However, I believe Klimova & Ponomarenko to be the best team, only edging out Torville and Dean by a hair.

Doesn't seem to be anyone that good on the horizon, too bad Charlie Butler retired. He makes every girl he skates with look good.

dancing_queen

05-19-2003, 05:12 PM

i disagree with sonora..shae and vic are very talented and have many origanl moves. As for there foot work it is done very close together whcih makes it very difficult and the do many twizzles within and im sorry but it is not on 2 feet.

PAskate

05-19-2003, 05:39 PM

There are many teams that I have loved to watch like B&K, Wilson & McCall, Torvil & Dean, and Krylova and Ovsynnikov. However, my vote for the best team would be Klimova and Ponomarenko.

tdnuva

05-19-2003, 06:31 PM

For me it's Torvill and Dean. Full stop. 8-)

Isabelle

05-19-2003, 06:58 PM

Marie-France Dubreuil and Patrice Lauzon!!! :mrgreen:

supersk8er

05-19-2003, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by sonora
B&K are not particularly good skaters, unless you like forward 2 footed skating that is slow with no particularly inventive choreography.

Uhmm...Can't say I know a whole lot about dance, but I've always thought that the best free-dance ever was Shea and Vic's "Riverdance", and I'm pretty sure they were never on two feet throughout that whole flippin' thing.

Originally posted by sonora
Pasha Grishuk is the best female ice dancer ever, hands down.

Really? I always thought her dancing looked over dramatic, and from a non-trained eye, I thought that Evgeny Platov was the stronger dancer on the team...

bcskater

05-19-2003, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by sonora
B&K are not particularly good skaters, unless you like forward 2 footed skating that is slow with no particularly inventive choreography.

umm i dont no what you think 'inventive choreography' is but IMO 'Riverdance' was pretty darn inventive!

leap of faith

05-19-2003, 08:50 PM

Not sure who I would rank as the best. Ice dancing has changed so much over the years.

My favourite 2 teams are Bourne and Kraatz and Wing and Lowe. I can't put my finger on why, I just do.

love2sk8

05-19-2003, 09:13 PM

The first couple I thought of when I read this thread was Marina Anissina and Gwendal Peizerat.

They are in a class of their own. They're the reason I watched dance events with semi-enthousiasm. Definately Marina and Gwendal!

AsianSkatingFan

05-19-2003, 10:45 PM

Bourne & Kraatz are my favorite dance team, with Anissina & Peizerat in a close second. :D

Canadian Chick

05-19-2003, 11:15 PM

Bourne and Kraatz!

ceceB

05-19-2003, 11:38 PM

Bourne and Kraatz are my absolute favorite dance team! I also like Anissina and Peizerat a lot because I found them to also be very inventive. They earned their Olympic gold medal last year, that's for sure.

A team I can't believe no one has mentioned yet is Drobiazko and Vanagas!

supersk8er

05-20-2003, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by love2sk8
The first couple I thought of when I read this thread was Marina Anissina and Gwendal Peizerat.

They are in a class of their own. They're the reason I watched dance events with semi-enthousiasm. Definately Marina and Gwendal!

I totally forgot about them!! They are in a class of their own, you are right! I don't think they're my favorite...But they're definitely one of the best looking teams EVER! His long, beautiful hair...I just want to run my fingers through it every time I see him on TV! ...Haha.

skatingvision

05-20-2003, 06:15 AM

I'm sensing way too much Nationalistic fervour here. IMO, B&K are nowhere near the top of all time best Ice Dancing couples. They have some of the worst OD's in senoir elite level skating. The only thing I like about them are their soft edges. Hmmm..... personally I like G&P, L&A, A&P, K&O. But from an overall history standpoint, T&D probably take the cake.

icenut84

05-20-2003, 10:34 AM

Best ever - Torvill & Dean. 110 6.0s in Euros, Olympics and Worlds.

My personal favourites - Torvill & Dean, Bourne & Kraatz, Anissina & Peizerat, Rahkamo & Kokko

sonora

05-20-2003, 10:53 AM

Riverdance was not particularly inventive or difficult.

When watching ice dancing, watch the feet! Then you will see that B&K stay on two feet a lot, and their twizzles(particularly his) are really 3 turns.

Flashy, yes. Mouthy, yes. Well skated, no.

ceceB

05-20-2003, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by skatingvision
I'm sensing way too much Nationalistic fervour here. IMO, B&K are nowhere near the top of all time best Ice Dancing couples. They have some of the worst OD's in senoir elite level skating. The only thing I like about them are their soft edges. Hmmm..... personally I like G&P, L&A, A&P, K&O. But from an overall history standpoint, T&D probably take the cake.

If you ask me, it makes perfect sense that a Canadian team would be the favorite of many canadians. What's wrong with that?

I really have to disagree about the OD's. I think they've had some great ones, some of the best even. For example, their waltz this year was awesome.

Although I really do think B&K are FANTASTIC skaters and deserve their place at the top, the thread isn't called who is the most technically superb team ever, only who's your favorite.

purplecat

05-20-2003, 08:58 PM

My all time favorite dance team was Usova and Zhulin.

Some other favorites: Punsalan and Swallow, Silverstein and Pekarek, Klimova and Ponomarenko, Roca and Sur, Winkler and Lohse, Anissina and Peizerat and Belbin and Agosto.

Angel01673

05-20-2003, 09:27 PM

My favorites: Anissina&Peizerat, Punsalan&Swallow, Lang&Tchernyshev, Bourne&Kraatz, Roca&Sur and Usova&Zhulin.

dancing_queen

05-20-2003, 10:06 PM

thank u ceceB u have a very good point:)

supersk8er

05-21-2003, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by ceceB
If you ask me, it makes perfect sense that a Canadian team would be the favorite of many canadians. What's wrong with that?

I really have to disagree about the OD's. I think they've had some great ones, some of the best even. For example, their waltz this year was awesome.

Although I really do think B&K are FANTASTIC skaters and deserve their place at the top, the thread isn't called who is the most technically superb team ever, only who's your favorite.

You said it girl!

ceceB

05-21-2003, 02:40 AM

Thanks! :D There are just some times when I can't hold my tongue.

skatingvision

05-21-2003, 06:08 AM

I guess we all just have different ways in determining our favorites. I go for the innovative, difficult, and interesting. Also, i'm not anti- B&K. I love their soft and deep knees and edges.

Ohh, and on Riverdance, it wasn't difficult at all. As a matter of fact, Pasha said she could have learned that FD in 5 minutes. :)

icenut84

05-21-2003, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by skatingvision
Ohh, and on Riverdance, it wasn't difficult at all. As a matter of fact, Pasha said she could have learned that FD in 5 minutes. :)

That doesn't mean she could have! It sounds like an arrogant and b*tchy comment to me, not a fact.

supersk8er

05-21-2003, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by skatingvision

Ohh, and on Riverdance, it wasn't difficult at all. As a matter of fact, Pasha said she could have learned that FD in 5 minutes. :)

HOLY CRAP! Could that girl have been more cocky? I'm so glad she's not around anymore...I don't care if dancers are known for their "attitude's", that comment, if she made it, is irrational and inappropriate! And no offense, but are you just trying to pick fights with the Bourne and Kraatz fans? Maybe they're not the greatest, but they're about 75% of the people's here favorite! So, uh, watch out!

Emanfan

05-21-2003, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by supersk8er
HOLY CRAP! Could that girl have been more cocky? I'm so glad she's not around anymore...I don't care if dancers are known for their "attitude's", that comment, if she made it, is irrational and inappropriate! And no offense, but are you just trying to pick fights with the Bourne and Kraatz fans? Maybe they're not the greatest, but they're about 75% of the people's here favorite! So, uh, watch out!

There is little love lost between Pasha Grishuk and Shae-Lyn Bourne. As fabulous as Pasha was/is, she was just a little bit nuts in the end (and Evgeny agreed).

I really enjoyed G/P, but Shae and Vic are in a class by themselves - not necessarily as ice dancers (although they pull some serous weight there), but as people.

In any event, they are now well-deserving world champions and rightly so.

You can't change the minds of people who dislike Shae & Vic. Don't even try.

skatingvision

05-21-2003, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Emanfan
You can't change the minds of people who dislike Shae & Vic. Don't even try.

I'm not trying. There's alot i like about B&K, but not enough for me to necessarily to go gaga over them. They seem like really classy athletes, well, except for the occasional "we should have been.........". Kind of funny about the clash between Shae and Pasha. lol, just look at Shae in Adagio, she is emulating Pasha!!!!

Emanfan

05-21-2003, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by skatingvision
lol, just look at Shae in Adagio, she is emulating Pasha!!!!

Oooooh...I wouldn't say that to Shae. Kind of funny though isn't it? Although the only physical similarity is blonde hair. I think the program drew the comparisons.

In any event, I'm a Canadian, so I guess my heart is with Vic & Shae, but I was watching some old tapes of Pasha & Evgeny the other night (a little bored off season) and she really was pretty fabulous out there on the ice (but, wow, what an ego!). Much like B/S versus S/P, I guess it will be G/P versus B/K.

You just gotta luv this sport.

sonora

05-21-2003, 02:51 PM

I don't want to fault the Canadians for rooting for their own teams, but the whole B&K problem for you guys is they kept better qualified Canadian teams from moving up to international competition, and that's a shame.

And re Riverdance, any USFSA Gold Dance medalist could learn that FD in less than an hour. It's kind of a joke among dancers.

Dreamer

05-21-2003, 02:59 PM

Mouthy?

Keep it to the skating talk here, folks.

Last time I checked, being mouthy wasn't a characteristic or factor in whether Shae-Lynn and Victor (or anyone for that matter) are good dancers or not.

Ellyn

05-21-2003, 03:01 PM

Well, I don't know what "better qualified" Canadian teams were inhibited by the presence of Bourne & Kraatz.

But I do agree that there was nothing particularly difficult or innovative about their Riverdance program.

As for my favorite dance teams, I have many. Torvill & Dean, Blumberg & Seibert, Klimova & Ponomarenko, Duchesnays, Usova & Zhulin, Rahkomo & Kokko, Anissina & Peizerat . . . I guess I'd have to go with Denkova & Stavisky of the current crop. Although I would not have considered them robbed if they'd ended up 4th instead of 3rd at Worlds this year.

skatey

05-21-2003, 06:10 PM

I think I'd have to mention Silverstein & Pekarek along with Joseph & Forsyth-those were the two teams that really drew me into ice dance, made me learn more about it, got me paying attention to and caring about it. Anissina & Peizerat, Lang & Tchernyshev, and Bourne & Kraatz would make the list too.

Aaron W

05-21-2003, 06:30 PM

Of the teams currently competing - Belbin & Agosto and Faiella & Scali.

Belbin & Agosto for their great footwork sequences that tend to be more difficult than most dance teams in the world.

Faiella & Scali for their great expression of the music, particularly his outstanding dance ability.

I'll certainly be hoping for the best for these two teams next season. :)

Aussie Willy

05-22-2003, 07:48 AM

Oooo a favourite ice dance team discussion. Well to add my two cents, my fav teams were:

Torvill & Dean
Usova & Zhulin
Wilson & McCall
Kilmova & Ponamarenko
Rahkammo & Kokko
Punsalan & Swallow
Winkler & Lohse
Bourne & Kratz

In relation to B&K, I do think they are technically the best ice dancers around today. That is why they won worlds with what I thought was their worst ever FD. On the other hand their OD at this year's Worlds was probably their best ever. They were so smooth and almost floated across the ice.

Now if I was question why a particular team won worlds and olympics it is Gritschuk and Platov. I actually quite enjoyed their programs (except for their Latin number at 96 Worlds - it sucked big time). But I really hated their leg line, didn't really liked their lifts and never felt they were totally polished. They always seemed very messy to me. This now gives me an idea for another thread.

However I have to agree with bias shown towards the Canadian ice dancers by their fellow country persons. It is quite noticeable. I am not trying to be offensive - just making a comment as an outsider looking in.

Someone did another thread about why ice dance discussions were so emotional. It was all about B&K.

professordeb

05-22-2003, 09:38 AM

Totally biased Canadian checking in here.
Since we are talking about what our favourties are, not who the best dancers are in our opinions, I think some people have gone off track.
Getting back on track.
My favourites are B&K. They are what drew me into dance and to some degree why I have remained. I also love Wing & Lowe. They have such an energy and their animation ... well I just love them.
Going outside my fair domain I would have to say other teams I have loved from the start would be T&D as well as L&T (from the US) and K&O (gotta love her dramatic facial expressions).
Those I have come to appreciate: A&P U&P and Platov (sorry, I can't buy into Pasha).
These are just my opinions. I realize others will disagree, but that's what this forum is about, isn't it.
Sonora, I wonder if you are playing devil's advocate for a reason or if you really don't like B&K at all. They haven't kept any Canadian team from winning. Other teams haven't been as good as they. D&L will have their moments in the sun (they have had few already ... like the times B&K have been out and they have represented our country). As for your opinion (and Pasha's too) about Riverdance. Have you seen the real guys perform this? It is difficult and quite a challenge. The fact that it was done side by side did reduce what "ice dance" is supposed to be about, but they did capture the flavour of this type of dance. Personally, I love watching the real dancers of this type of dance and I applaude those who have tried to bring it to ice (not only B&K, I seem to recall Honda using some of this music as well as another dance team that many were high on -- C&S.) Translating any kind of dancing to ice is difficult to begin with, and keeping the flavour of the dance too ... well I think it's wonderful when it's done as well as B&K did it. Back toPasha and her comment, well she was outspoken, but that doesn't mean she was right and I rather doubt U.S. juniors could have done all that footwork and kept up (speed-wise) with B&K. It's all a matter of opinion and taste and that's what makes this forum great.

til later,
Deb

supersk8er

05-22-2003, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by Emanfan
There is little love lost between Pasha Grishuk and Shae-Lyn Bourne. As fabulous as Pasha was/is, she was just a little bit nuts in the end (and Evgeny agreed).

I really enjoyed G/P, but Shae and Vic are in a class by themselves - not necessarily as ice dancers (although they pull some serous weight there), but as people.

In any event, they are now well-deserving world champions and rightly so.

You can't change the minds of people who dislike Shae & Vic. Don't even try.

Emanfan,

I wasn't trying to...I was supporting them.

Sparkey

05-22-2003, 10:43 AM

Gotta put in a Pacha story here. Several years ago, about the time she changed her name to Pacha, we happened to be at the rink where she was skating. Oksana B. was also training there . We went down to get Pacha's autograph when she got off the ice...she asked us where we were from , and then stated "You know I not that other Oksana? She *****." Those words have stuck to this day in the ears of me and my two children (who were about 10 years old at the time). Quite the dancer, yes, but not one of my favorite people!

Sparkey

05-22-2003, 10:45 AM

the asterisks are for the B-word

sonora

05-22-2003, 01:55 PM

Professordeb:

I really don't think B&K are very good. I have seen high test dancers play with Riverdance and more than learn it more than quickly.

I have seen most of the teams mentioned here perform and practice in person, and B&K are way overrated. Fan favorites, yes, but not much admired by ice dance experts.

I think many knowledgeable people would agree that Canada has much better novice & junior dancers than the US, and I would love to see some really good Canadian teams develop at Senior level. Maybe this will happen now that B&K are gone.

Pash Grishuk is not a nice person, but she was an incredible dancer. I understand she is teaching now-in California maybe? It would be interesting to hear what she is up to now.

Emanfan

05-22-2003, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by sonora
Fan favorites, yes, but not much admired by ice dance experts.

And those dance "experts" would be who?

Blue Ridge

05-22-2003, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by sonora
...I really don't think B&K are very good. ...

People have varying opinions about figure skating, and are entitled to them, but I just have to say I have never seen anyone before suggest that B&K are not very good. I think their success speaks for the fact that they have been seen as very good by most of the skating world.

I don't think Riverdance was their best FD, though it was very well done for what it was, it didn't showcase the range of skating that a Gold medal Free Dance requires.

It's quite possible not to like very good ice dance teams, not everyone has the same preferences. I like B&K, though I wouldn't put them at the top of my list of favs.

My favorites of recent times have been Lobacheva & Averbukh, of all time Klimova & Ponomarenko. As for currently eligible skaters, there are several teams I like: Chait & Sakhnovsky, Grushina & Goncharov, Dubreuil & Lauzon, Lang & Tchernyshev.

ceceB

05-22-2003, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by sonora

I really don't think B&K are very good. I have seen high test dancers play with Riverdance and more than learn it more than quickly.

Bourne and Kraatz are certainly good. I think it's ignorant to say they aren't. Do you really think a north american dance team who wasn't good would make it ANYWHERE in this sport? I don't. I understand (well, I can accept) that you don't like their style of skating, but come on!

I know myself, as well as many people I've talked to, say that what they love about Riverdance is the fact that it was REAL dance. It was unique and exciting and that's why it was a crowd favorite. I quess if you like the dramatic type of "dance" instead of the athletic type, then you wouldn't like the program much. But I love it.:D

DancinDiva

05-22-2003, 04:47 PM

I would have to say that my very favorite ice dance team is Roca and Sur. I saw them live in SOI, and they were gorgeous! "They Prayer" has to be the most beautiful program out there, even if it is not terribly difficult. I could watch "The Prayer" all day, everyday, and not get sick of it.
My other favorite team is Lang and Tchernechev (sorry, I probably butchered his name!). I don't know what it is about those two, but I just love them. Belbein and Agosto may be surpassing them technically, but I just cannot stomach them. L&T are just pleasant to watch, not too over the top, and seem like nice people.
Having said all that, I would now like to state that I know absolutely nothing about ice dance! Nothing at all. Why I prefer these two teams over all others is a mystery to me. Its not like I have any technical knowledge to back it up. I just like them.

Tsutroi

05-24-2003, 06:55 PM

I thought this topic is about who is your favorite dance team and not a debate about who deserved to be named best or not best?

I also think people who can't stay on topic should just leave the thread alone, it's irritaing to go into a pointless argument that there will never be an agreement.

Since the question here is who is your favorite team, there is just no point for arguing whatsoever and nothing you say or I say or somebody else says is going to affect the personal choices of each person...is this so hard to understand? :roll:

Anyhow, my favorite team will be Bourne/Kraatz because they have been a role model for my development as a human being. I am now an adult but when I was adolescent, seeing them skating and performing and facing setbacks [judging scandals] as well as victorious moments were both very helpful experiences. What I have learnt is the best doesn't always win and never to give up for something you believe. It took them 10 years to win the World Championship under termendous odds against them. But the most important was the attitude of " You did your best and don't worry about the rest no matter what others think. You are at peace with yourself, now move on."

dancing_queen

05-26-2003, 08:52 PM

^ I totally agree with u tsutori!!!
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

sonora

05-27-2003, 08:45 AM

This is a discussion board. If you cannot stand to discuss then move one.

B&K mean just the opposite to me that they do to you, tsutroi. Bad role models, poor technical skaters.

Open your minds and learn things here, people. You can do better than just slavish devotion to the "popular".

supersk8er

05-27-2003, 10:22 AM

Maybe we're just the usual patriotic-Canadian fans...Clearly you believe that YOU are educated in dance, but there really is no need to make us feel bad about our lack-of-education in dance...:oops:

dancing_queen

05-27-2003, 10:39 AM

sonora u are right this is a duscusion board and i started this thread..if u havent noticed the subjuect IS FAVORITE DANCE TEAMS! ok enuff already :frus:we all know u dont like B&K thank u for your opionion thats all we needed to know! not if u thought they were good role models or techinically good skaters.. so give it up, specailly cuz most of the ppl in this thread relitivly like B&K

Tsutroi

05-27-2003, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by sonora
This is a discussion board. If you cannot stand to discuss then move one.

B&K mean just the opposite to me that they do to you, tsutroi. Bad role models, poor technical skaters.

Then feel free to show me how we are supposed to 'discuss' about the notion 'favorite'? :??

Stating the obvious doesn't help really, I know we are here to discuss. But let me also point out you are probably in a wrong thread as well. If this topic is about: "Who is the best dance team in the modern era [in your view]?" I wouldn't have a problem with your views. But what you are engaging here is not on topic, you made your point about why you don't like a certain team [which is o.k.], now maybe it's time to move on because there is no point in beating the dead horse when it comes to each person's favorite team. There is a difference between 'favorite' and the 'best'. And opinoin is like nose, everyone got one. Obviously, this board has a lot of B&K supporters so it reasonable to conceive that many will express their liking here on this topic. By stiring a well-intented topic into unnecessary arguments where there will never be an agreement is just pointless. It's like saying my favorite food is curry but you insist on telling me curry is for pigs and sushi is the best.

Here is a $1million dollar question: "If you can prove B&K is not my personal favorite team, you will get $1million from me." Anyone up to the challenge? :)

Harris!here!

05-27-2003, 02:42 PM

I am shocked at howmany people are saying Borring and Krap. The never interesting to watch, and riverdance was not inventive, I in fact know where I saw all of those moves befor..... THE REAL RIVERDANCE! We all know the greatest ice dance team and in my mind the still reaning world champs! Ilia and Irina! They are gods among me. Ok she is not, but is a bad @$$!

Emanfan

05-27-2003, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Harris!here!
I am shocked at howmany people are saying Borring and Krap. The never interesting to watch, and riverdance was not inventive, I in fact know where I saw all of those moves befor..... THE REAL RIVERDANCE! We all know the greatest ice dance team and in my mind the still reaning world champs! Ilia and Irina! They are gods among me. Ok she is not, but is a bad @$$!

What? :?? :?? :??

loveskating

05-27-2003, 03:08 PM

I love ice dance! I don't fully understand it, cannot begin to grasp the patterns necessary, but I find the skating consumate and the programs beautiful!

My favorites are Torvil & Dean, Klimova and Ponnamarenko, Grishuk and Platov, Krylova and Ovsiannikov and Anissina and Piezerat

My favorite programs by these are - T&D: Bolero; K&P: Romeo & Juliet; G&P: the rock n roll dance that won them gold in 94 and the 98 Requiem, which I really loved; the 99 program that won K&O Worlds...it was just technically magnificent, a kind of very pure dance, and my mouth was open in almost shock! I loved A&P's Iron Mask and all their programs were compelling, except not in 2002 that much.

G&P and K&O were very closely matched, and I don't think anyone has come close to them technically although Belbin and Agosto look like they have what it takes, for sure technically.

I also loved Lang and Tchernachev's Carmen from 2002...that was a great, great program IMHO.

All I hope is that now all the conflict and nationalistic commentary in ice dance will stop, and that we fans can just enjoy the skating and the skaters again.

Harris!here!

05-27-2003, 04:45 PM

Sorry about all my type-os on my last reply. I was in a rush. anyways, I was saying, borring and krap are not interesting, Ilia and Irina are the best ever! But everyone knows he is much much better than she! and Ilia is like the god of ice dance! He is as close to perfect as any one thus far has gotten!
Cheers!

~Jon :roll:

dancing_queen

05-27-2003, 05:12 PM

i totally disagree with u.. i realy cant c how u can say B&K r boring and krap! anyone who makes it in the skating word and wins a world championship obviously inst boring or krappy!

dancing_queen

05-27-2003, 05:15 PM

riverdance was a true dance.. it is a crowd favorite.. if u like the more athletic(russian) type of dancing.. power 2 yah

Harris!here!

05-27-2003, 05:35 PM

Riverdance was not a high class free dance. Morgan and max would have beat that. if I want to see a JIG, I will get some old irish man drunk and watch him, and it would probly be both more entertaining and have a higher level of difaculty. Ok, so I am being a lil harsh... I just really don't like shay borring and Vic Krapz! Sorry, I just don't see thier apeal!
cheers mates!

dancing_queen

05-27-2003, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Harris!here!
Riverdance was not a high class free dance. Morgan and max would have beat that. if I want to see a JIG, I will get some old irish man drunk and watch him, and it would probly be both more entertaining and have a higher level of difaculty. Ok, so I am being a lil harsh... I just really don't like shay borring and Vic Krapz! Sorry, I just don't see thier apeal!
cheers mates!

that is really harsh.. i think everyone get the point that u dont like them .. but that is a lil exsesive

ceceB

05-27-2003, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Harris!here!
I am shocked at howmany people are saying Borring and Krap. The never interesting to watch, and riverdance was not inventive, I in fact know where I saw all of those moves befor..... THE REAL RIVERDANCE!

Nice work making that connection considering that WAS what the program was based on. The fact that you recognized the moves shows they did something right there.

dancing_queen

05-27-2003, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by ceceB
Nice work making that connection considering that WAS what the program was based on. The fact that you recognized the moves shows they did something right there.

lol.. yah u said it ceceB:bow: :bow: :bow:

Harris!here!

05-27-2003, 08:09 PM

No, no, no......

My piont is this.... If I wanted to watch riveradnce, I would watch riverdance! it was easy, bland and most of all the same thing (dulled down alot) as I would see on riverdance. There is nothing artful about it. they did not have to express anything in that free dance. Romeo and Juliet, one must figure out how to tell the story with thier body and the music. That is art, that is difaculty, that is hard. Repeating what some one else does in a dance is not! I honestly do think they are good dancers, but I also think that was not thier "Ballairo" that was not thier romeo and juliet. that was not a breath taking free dance.
Cheers~

dancing_queen

05-27-2003, 09:34 PM

yes.. and my point is that that free dance was done quite a while ago!! what about this years OD and FD those were very expressive and well cheorographed

supersk8er

05-27-2003, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Harris!here!
No, no, no......
My piont is this.... If I wanted to watch riveradnce, I would watch riverdance!

I'm sorry, but what the hell's your point? Almost every dance has a basis for something else...If I wanted to watch Romeo and Juliet, I could just watch the movie, but I also enjoyed watching Marina and Gwendal's interpretation of it...As much as you keep telling us that Bourne and Kraatz are not good dancers, you will never change our opinions because they have done so much for North American dancers!! Plus, they're the well deserving World Champions! My all time favorite number was their Riverdance, and I could give a damn if it was difficult (to your standards, ofcourse)...The point was that they sold it! And they made it look amazing!

dancing_queen

05-27-2003, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by supersk8er
I'm sorry, but what the hell's your point? Almost every dance has a basis for something else...If I wanted to watch Romeo and Juliet, I could just watch the movie, but I also enjoyed watching Marina and Gwendal's interpretation of it...As much as you keep telling us that Bourne and Kraatz are not good dancers, you will never change our opinions because they have done so much for North American dancers!! Plus, they're the well deserving World Champions! My all time favorite number was their Riverdance, and I could give a damn if it was difficult (to your standards, ofcourse)...The point was that they sold it! And they made it look amazing!

i couldnt agree with u more:bow: :bow:

Angel01673

05-27-2003, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by Harris!here!
No, no, no......

My piont is this.... If I wanted to watch riveradnce, I would watch riverdance! it was easy, bland and most of all the same thing (dulled down alot) as I would see on riverdance. There is nothing artful about it. they did not have to express anything in that free dance. Romeo and Juliet, one must figure out how to tell the story with thier body and the music. That is art, that is difaculty, that is hard. Repeating what some one else does in a dance is not! I honestly do think they are good dancers, but I also think that was not thier "Ballairo" that was not thier romeo and juliet. that was not a breath taking free dance.
Cheers~

I may not agree with the "Boring and Krap" statement, but I get what he's saying here. I really like Shae and Vic but riverdance was my least favorite from them. Sure Shae had a ton of charisma, but there was zero connection between Shae and Vic, I just wasn't feeling it. They didn't tell a story, there was nothing special about the way they looked at each other, and I felt like they didn't put enough effort in the overall presentation, and that's why they lost the bronze medal to Anissina & Peizerat at the olympics.

supersk8er

05-27-2003, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by Angel01673
They didn't tell a story, there was nothing special about the way they looked at each other, and I felt like they didn't put enough effort in the overall presentation, and that's why they lost the bronze medal to Anissina & Peizerat at the olympics.

Really? Because I thought the reason that they lost the bronze to Anissana and Peizerat at the '98 Olympics was because of the corrupt judging...:??

Harris!here!

05-28-2003, 12:22 AM

yeah you are right supersk8r. That and they weren't as good as the french. But listen I have grown tried of all this, it's all your's!

icenut84

05-28-2003, 06:12 AM

STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What's with all the arguing?? Let's settle this:

Harris!here! doesn't like Bourne & Kraatz, because they are not as technically proficient as other teams and he/she did not enjoy Riverdance.

dancing_queen and numerous other skaters do like Bourne & Kraatz, because they are a technically proficient team, entertaining, and have done a lot for North American ice dancing. Riverdance was great.

Can't you settle this? It started out as a discussion on who everyone's favourite ice dancers are/were, not intended to be a heated debate on whether Bourne & Kraatz are good or not. Obviously they're good skaters, otherwise they wouldn't be world champions. Whether they're your cup of tea or not, whether they're your favourite, is part of what this thread was asking, but you really don't need to state the same point x100000000000000. We get it! lol. Agree to disagree.

*dani-skates*

05-28-2003, 07:19 AM

My favourite ice dance teams are:

Anissina and Peizerat for their passion when they skate
Drobiazko and Vanagas- I like their style
Marika Humphreys and Vitali Baranov- the are British skaters and came about 15th at the olys.- I've met them and had coaching from them and they have beautiful lines and okay so maybe they aren't the best skaters in the world but I like them alot. And they are also very nice people

There are alot of other skaters that I like including Bourne and Kraatz- they aren't my favourites and their skating isn't always technically the best but they are very good still and deserve the success they have had. I agree that Riverdance wasn't the most technical program but it was a good program and it seems to be a crowd pleaser and skating is as much a sport as an art and so its subjective- i see one thing and you see another but we are both right.

Dreamer

05-28-2003, 09:12 AM

Everyone has an opinion and no matter what, an opinion can never be wrong. It's personal choice.
Being able to speak your opinion isn't a right, it's a privilege. If everyone goes back and forth, continually trashing each other and other skaters, then someone's about to get banned, or warned or something... and it's not going to be me.

Please go back to the civilized discussion.
This thread was meant for opinions, and don't be the person to take the privilege of voicing an opinion from other posters.

ophelia

05-28-2003, 09:13 AM

I felt like they didn't put enough effort in the overall presentation, and that's why they lost the bronze medal to Anissina & Peizerat at the olympics.

no the reason why the lost the bronze medal was because they were fifth after the 1st comp dance. Everyone makes the R&J vs Riverdance argument but Shae and Vic finished 3rd in the freedance and A/P finished fourth

Angel01673

05-28-2003, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by ophelia
no the reason why the lost the bronze medal was because they were fifth after the 1st comp dance. Everyone makes the R&J vs Riverdance argument but Shae and Vic finished 3rd in the freedance and A/P finished fourth

Actually I meant in that point in their carrers they didn't put enough emphasis on their overall presentation, CD, OD and FD.

baraég

05-28-2003, 02:56 PM

Anyway, as to the topic. My faves are G&P, B&K and A&P. How´s that for irony(in that they are all connected with negativity, all tangled up together in controversy). There are plenty of others I really enjoy but when it comes to getting sucked into ice dance it all started back when B&K first entered the international scene(with their incredible edges and soft knees) and G&P won their first Olympics(with a wonderfully fast perky rock and roll FD ) and A&P who made me see how beautiful and stirring the more dramatic style of FD can be(ironically with their R&J FD). Love them or hate them I think all three of these teams contributed to the way ice dance is today(in a positive way they resulted in imitation by other dancers).
Of the three my heart was always with B&K so I´m satisfied they went out on a high and that´s enough for me. No need to rehash years gone by.

Anyway those are my three. Funny in a way.

ceceB

05-28-2003, 04:27 PM

It is kinda funny, but I think it's refreshing. There are so many B&S fans who hate S&P and vice versa. Same thing with Michelle Kwan fans who hate Tara Lipinski. You know what I mean? It's nice when people are able to put the contraversy behind them and focus on what's important. :D

B&K and A&P are my two very favorite dance teams for sure!

supersk8er

05-28-2003, 06:12 PM

adrianchew

05-28-2003, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by dancing_queen

Personally Shae and Vic will alwayz b the best ice dancerz ever.. but i was just wondering what everyone else thought?

Just a reminder to keep things in perspective - while the topic title asks a question, I see where the problem of this whole discussion began - claiming such & such is the best ever is as likely an open invitation for discussion and questioning as there can possibly be. Just be prepared, when you open that up for discussion - that not everyone might agree.

This first post is where the problem began - and really it didn't start off as a topic about favorites. Be careful what you ask for. ;) ~adrianchew~

adrianchew

05-28-2003, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by dancing_queen

sonora u are right this is a duscusion board and i started this thread..if u havent noticed the subjuect IS FAVORITE DANCE TEAMS! ok enuff already :frus:we all know u dont like B&K thank u for your opionion thats all we needed to know! not if u thought they were good role models or techinically good skaters.. so give it up, specailly cuz most of the ppl in this thread relitivly like B&K

Unfortunately, your first post had nothing to do with the subject title - if you wanted a gushfest about B&K, sorry to disappoint you - it didn't happen. Now move on - and next time think before you start a topic. ~adrianchew~