Montgomery & Arnold Split [Archive]

Tony Wheeler

03-17-2003, 06:50 PM

Carla Montgomery & Ryan Arnold, Canada's top ranked team at Junior Worlds this season, have decided to split. This news comes directly from the team.

Apparently, Ryan will be having a tryout with Jessica Dube shortly.

(BTW- I know this is posted on another thread but it's in the midst of another conversation, so I thought I'd post a new thread.)

Canadian Chick

03-17-2003, 07:05 PM

Any word on why exactly? :??

Skatingsarah

03-17-2003, 09:19 PM

Thats to bad to hear, but Jessica and Ryan sure would make quite the team good luck to them!
-Sarah

roogu

03-17-2003, 09:21 PM

I'd imagine it probably had something to do with their results this year .. and probably the little plateau they've hit as a pair compared to last season. They looked very fresh last year, very promising .... on their way to gelling, but this year things seemed a little different I guess. That's a shame because I really liked this pair.

bcskater

03-17-2003, 09:42 PM

NO NO NO!!!!!! this is the most horrible news ever! i hope it is not true! argh! they are so great! they will both have great futures in skating no matter who they skate with. :oops: :cry:

winston

03-21-2003, 02:47 PM

I THINK DUBE AND ARNOLD WILL BE AMAZING. ANYONE KNOW IF MONTGOMERY HAS ANY TRYOUTS LINED UP?

Tony Wheeler

03-21-2003, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by winston
I THINK DUBE AND ARNOLD WILL BE AMAZING. ANYONE KNOW IF MONTGOMERY HAS ANY TRYOUTS LINED UP?

Not at the moment, but she is looking.

KMK0902

03-24-2003, 11:29 AM

I wonder if Jazz doesn't get her jumps under controll if Lenny would "dump" her for Carla? They all train in Barrie, right?

Kat

winston

03-24-2003, 12:24 PM

I heard that was a reason why Arnold and Montgomery broke up. SO i doubt an olympian would go from one to another, both inn the same situation

roogu

03-24-2003, 02:58 PM

Well, it's not like Jazz has never landed the triple toe in competition .... she landed it in both the sp and lp at Worlds AND Olympics. I wonder what's going on this year.

Her double axel however :x :x :x is another story.

Livingston

03-24-2003, 04:32 PM

If Jazz and Lenny break up Lenny, will go big or move on.

Lise

03-24-2003, 04:49 PM

That was the only time I recall Jazz ever landing the jumps!

I seriously think she needs to get help to learn to jump. Not to be mean, but if haven't landed the jumps in over a season, are inconsistant with it to begin with, well, it has to be addressed. Especially with Putnum (sp?) and Wirtz on the rise (who land the sbs quite consistently) and Langlois and Archetto who have improved.

Not to knock Lariviere and Faustino-I think they are a great team, but if they want to make strides internationally and acheive results, they need to address the sbs.

winston

03-30-2003, 10:46 AM

Anyone know if Dube and Arnold have had a tryout yet, and if so how it went?

Tony Wheeler

03-30-2003, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by winston
Anyone know if Dube and Arnold have had a tryout yet, and if so how it went?

It is set for April 4th & 5th. I will have details afterwards..

Magdalenka

04-03-2003, 12:14 PM

Any news on Sam Tetrault???

PointBleu

04-03-2003, 06:33 PM

Sam is still looking for a new partner who would have a good 2 axel.
Any thought on who might be a good partner for him?

Francis71

04-03-2003, 08:12 PM

Pointbleu:

He will likely need to convert a singles skater to pairs - if I recall he isn't very tall and that will be an additional barrier.

I watched the Novice Pairs at Junior Nationals and there was a real shortage of double axels. More attempts at throw triple sals than double axels.

Terra Findley comes to mind but I think her current partner might object!

PointBleu

04-03-2003, 08:28 PM

I was talking about both pair and singles female skaters... ;)

Isn't Tarra's partner a little bit old compared to her? I mean, how many junior eligiblity have they left?

bcskater

04-03-2003, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by PointBleu
Isn't Tarra's partner a little bit old compared to her? I mean, how many junior eligiblity have they left?
if your referring to 'how many years they have left as eligable junior skaters' - they have as many as they like. I'm pretty sure that they have taken the age limit off of the junior pairs event. I could be wrong, but that is just what I have been told. You could probably check it on the Skate Canada website.

Francis71

04-03-2003, 09:11 PM

Bc skater - I think the removal of the age limit is just domestic - meaning that if they don't meet the ISU age limits they would not be eligible to compete internationally - which is really a bit limiting.

I heard that Skate Canada was planning to rethink its junior age limits for pairs only - meaning that you could exceed the age limits and still skate at the Junior level - I believe this is possible in the USA. Part of the reason is that we were losing too many male pair skaters who "had to go senior" but needed a partner capable of skating at the senior level and it is really quite difficult to start out at that level.

I think this is fair move - those "over aged" can still compete at the Canadian level but would not be taking anything away from those who are ISU age appropriate (I think you have to be age eliglible for junior national team)

PointBleu

04-03-2003, 09:47 PM

Yes BCSkater, I was talking about junior elegibale 'years'. (I forgot to write 'years'... a short word nonetheless important in that sentence!)

And I wanted to know Terra's partner's age because I wanted to know if they can be sent on the junior grand prix.

Polish

04-04-2003, 12:34 PM

I think Terra Findlay turns 13 in May. She was born in 1990.

Trillian

04-04-2003, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Francis71
I heard that Skate Canada was planning to rethink its junior age limits for pairs only - meaning that you could exceed the age limits and still skate at the Junior level - I believe this is possible in the USA.

That's true, there's no age limit on any junior (or novice) level discipline in the U.S. I don't know if there ever has been, but definitely not in the last 5-10 years or so.

ontherock

04-05-2003, 01:49 PM

Terra's Partner

J Mattatall is 20 andhe turns 21 after July 1st which means this is his last year of Junior age eligibility

Erin F

04-06-2003, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by Francis71
I heard that Skate Canada was planning to rethink its junior age limits for pairs only - meaning that you could exceed the age limits and still skate at the Junior level - I believe this is possible in the USA. Part of the reason is that we were losing too many male pair skaters who "had to go senior" but needed a partner capable of skating at the senior level and it is really quite difficult to start out at that level.

Evidently this has already been done. At Canadians this year, there were two teams that didn't meet the age limit--Terra Findlay was too young and one of the men (possibly Christopher Richardson, but I don't really remember) was too old. We figured that maybe exceptions had been made this year for pairs because the field was so small, but it sounds like the age limit has just been lifted for Jr. Pairs, which I agree is a good idea.

Francis71

04-06-2003, 12:37 PM

It wasn't done this year although there were requests. Skate Canada has had upper age limits -girls can't be 19 as of July 1 before and guys (pairs and dance) can't be 21 as of July 1, before. There were no lower limits and all the skaters this year at Nationals met the age requrement. But you will note there was quite a difference in range of abilities of senior teams and most of the lower ranked teams included males who were not eligible to skate at Junior because they had reached their 21st birthday before July 1 2002. Costello/Armstrong come to mind - both did fairly well at the Novice (her) and Junior (him) level and would likely have benefitted from a year skating together without the pressure of senior and TV cameras - ditto for Trombley and Shollert. There were others that simply quit or were unable to find partners capable of passing the senior pairs test. Given the age of some of our past senior pair males in Canada it appears as though the top of the game isn't necessarily reached at 21 and some may benefit from spending a year or two more at the junior level .

compact

04-06-2003, 01:02 PM

Christopher Richardson wasn't too old. He's only 19 and born in the second half of the year.

GreekGoddess85

04-06-2003, 07:21 PM

I wish both of them the best of luck :)

Erin F

04-06-2003, 10:57 PM

compact - Thanks for the correction. I really couldn't remember who it was that was too old. Now that I think about it, it must have been George Selimos...I can't think of who else it would have been.

Francis71 - I guess the rule must not have been changed, but SC definitely made exceptions to the age limit. Terra Findlay for one, and as I said, one of the men was too old...or else his birth date posted was wrong (which wouldn't surprise me :roll: )

Lee

04-06-2003, 11:13 PM

The one who was posted that was too old was removed from the assigment...I can't remember the name either.

Check the SC website...proposed amendments are up there...

itsgr82sk8

04-07-2003, 06:39 AM

Terras partner turned 20 in Dec.

Erin F

04-07-2003, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by Lee
The one who was posted that was too old was removed from the assigment...I can't remember the name either.

I think you're referring to Gord Willemse, but I'm talking about one of the skaters who skated Jr Pairs at Canadians. I'm pretty sure now that it was George Selimos, because when we were discussing why he was allowed to compete Jrs, we figured it wasn't a case of SC giving special treatment to a team that they really wanted to promote.

Sparkey

04-07-2003, 02:23 PM

I can say with certainty that there were LOTS of errors in the book that Skate Canada put out listing athletes' ages etc. Lots and lots. So if that's where you got the info regarding Selimos, disregard the age thing, it's probably an error.

Tony Wheeler

04-07-2003, 06:37 PM

Concerning Dube/Arnold's 4/4 & 4/5 tryout, it has gone very well. Jessica will travel to Barrie in a few weeks for another tryout.

supersk8er

04-07-2003, 09:23 PM

Thanks SO much for that update on the Dube/Arnold tryout...much appreciated :D ...Hope the next tryout goes just as well!

winston

04-15-2003, 04:36 PM

Any word on how their next tryout went i heard they were forsure skating together, and they were going senior in Canada, and junior internationally?

pairs_guy

04-22-2003, 06:37 PM

i heard that there was a problem because she doesnt wanna leave montreal and he doesnt wanna leave barrie?? can someone confirm this? and where will they be training? hope it all goes well for them!!

Livingston

04-25-2003, 09:54 AM

The decision is being made friday April 26th, if they skate together training site has not been determined.

Tony Wheeler

04-26-2003, 11:01 PM

Jessica Dube & Ryan Arnold have made the decision to NOT skate together.

ice mommy

04-26-2003, 11:15 PM

That's too bad, but .thanks for letting us know. Can you give us any indication as to what the reasons might be?

Tony Wheeler

04-27-2003, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by ice mommy
That's too bad, but .thanks for letting us know. Can you give us any indication as to what the reasons might be?

Edited.. check next post.

Tony Wheeler

04-28-2003, 05:38 PM

Jessica will skate with Bryce Davidson. Ryan will continue to look for a partner, if he doesn't find one, then he will focus on his singles skating next season.

ice mommy

04-28-2003, 06:18 PM

Actually, this could be a good fit for them both. I assume that Bryce will move to Quebec to train. I'm very hopeful about this pairing.

Francis71

04-28-2003, 07:05 PM

Dube and Davidson - what an awesome pairing and they are both so young too. I really like Bryce Davidsons skating but was wondering who he would find pairs wise that would be small enough (If I recall he isn't real tall unless he has grown some).

This team should work well. So has Carla Montgomery found a new partner yet? any tryouts? any news on Lenny Faustino? We have heard of lots of splits but not many new pairings. What about Babin of Babin and Harvey? they had such great lifts but such struggles with the jumps.

Tony Wheeler

04-28-2003, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by Francis71

This team should work well. So has Carla Montgomery found a new partner yet? any tryouts? any news on Lenny Faustino? We have heard of lots of splits but not many new pairings. What about Babin of Babin and Harvey? they had such great lifts but such struggles with the jumps.

Montgomery is looking, but AFAIK has not had any tryouts. Harvey and Babin have split and he is now with Jessika Therrien. I don't know what Harvey's plans are.

ice mommy

04-28-2003, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by Francis71
Dube and Davidson - what an awesome pairing and they are both so young too. I really like Bryce Davidsons skating but was wondering who he would find pairs wise that would be small enough (If I recall he isn't real tall unless he has grown some).

I guess he's grown some. If you look at the Novice Men's podium picture he's the one tall guy there. Does anyone know how old he is?

supersk8er

04-28-2003, 08:52 PM

Haha...Well, probably anyone taller than 5 feet looked taller than Reynolds and McEwan. :P

jp1andOnly

04-28-2003, 08:53 PM

i believe he's 15 or 16ish...

winston

04-28-2003, 10:24 PM

Does anyone know why the decision, was made in this favour, i thought that Jessica and Ryan were a done deal, it's too bad it's not.

jp1andOnly

04-28-2003, 10:36 PM

ummm..read previous posts. They didn't want to move from their respective homes. I'm sure there is more than just that but it sounds like a good explinaiton for not skating together.

Livingston

04-29-2003, 10:13 AM

Bryce is 17

pairs_guy

04-29-2003, 06:26 PM

i was up in montreal yesterday and i was talking to babin(of the babin and harvey team).....he found a new partner but i forget what her name was....they were doing side by side triple toes with ease. he seemed pretty happy about his new partner

Tony Wheeler

04-29-2003, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by pairs_guy
i was up in montreal yesterday and i was talking to babin(of the babin and harvey team).....he found a new partner but i forget what her name was....they were doing side by side triple toes with ease. he seemed pretty happy about his new partner

I posted about them earlier in the thread- Jessika Therrien. :)

pairs_guy

04-29-2003, 10:37 PM

thanks Tony Wheeler!! :)

winston

04-30-2003, 06:04 PM

How old is Ryan Arnold, can he go junior still? How old is Dube?

Tony Wheeler

04-30-2003, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by winston
How old is Ryan Arnold, can he go junior still? How old is Dube?

Ryan is 18. Male pairs skaters competing internationally as juniors can skate until 21, so yes he can still skate junior.

Dube is 15.