Does anyone know of girls trying triple axles or quads?

[sk8ing is lyfe]

I was just wondering... Are there any up coming girls with successful attempts at triple axels or quads? I know that yoshie onda is trying the axel... but are there anyothers? I also know that sasha cohen was trying the quad sal, I really respected her for that, but what happened to it?

I also noticed that there are some triple triples out there... y are they not being tried in the short program? It seems that everyone is trying 3lutz/2toe and 3flip. And if u have a clean skate it's the name that keeps you up there...

Just wondering......................................... ..

[AshBugg44]

Someone landed the 4sal....wasn't it Miki Ando(?)???

[Arsenette]

Just ask Japan 8-)

[Mandera]

Viktoria Volchkova has a triple axel, and Miki Ando of Japan landed a quad salchow at the Japan Junior Nationals.

[Sylvia]

Here's the Japanese count so far this season that I know of...

Yukari Nakano, 17, landed a triple axel at her regionals in early October and at Skate America in late October (ratified by the ISU but it looked underrotated on the TV replay). I've heard she worked on the quad salchow last summer.

Miki Ando (current Japanese junior champion), 15, landed her/the first quadruple salchow at the Junior Grand Prix Final in December 2002. She also attempted the quad sal at senior nationals (1 week after the JGPF) and at junior nationals in November, but fell both times. Ando was working on triple axels in a few of early Montreal JGP practices this past September (two-footing the landings I saw), but has yet to attempt one in competition. Her triple lutz-triple loop has been pretty consistent since last season, and she landed this combo in the short program at senior nationals in December. She will be at Junior Worlds in Ostrava (she won the bronze at Junior Worlds last year).

Mao Asada (current Japanese novice champion), 12, landed an underrotated triple axel at both regionals (as a novice) in October and at senior nationals in December. She also attempted a triple flip-triple loop-triple toe loop combo at senior nationals, but the final jump was clearly underrotated. I've heard she worked on the quad toe loop last summer. She will not be ISU age-eligible for the Junior Grand Prix until the fall of 2004.

Mao's older sister, Mai Asada, 14, attempted the triple axel at regionals, junior nationals and senior nationals, but hasn't landed it cleanly yet. She will be at Junior Worlds in Ostrava (her junior international debut).

Aki Sawada, 14, attempted the triple axel at junior nationals but fell.

I can't remember now whether or not Yoshie Onda has landed a clean triple axel in competition yet?

[Spinner]

And let's not forget Ludmilla Nelidina from Russia. Her triple Axel is quite nice when clean.

[Ellyn]

Originally posted by Sylvia
I can't remember now whether or not Yoshie Onda has landed a clean triple axel in competition yet?

As I recall, she had a slightly cheated one at Bofrost Cup. Maybe other times in Japan, don't know if any have been fully rotated.

[iceskaterdawn]

Bebe Liang was practicing triple axels in a practice at Nationals.

[roogu]

Both Asada sisters in Japan also do the 3lutz/3loop combination.

[cocanuts]

yoshie hasnt landed a clean or ratified triple axel yet

[love2sk8]

No, but it won't be long till she does...I think it'd be amazing if she could land her first one in competition at Worlds!!!

As for the skaters with quads, keep it up, its about time the bar was risen in ladies figure skating!

[Alexeiskate]

Originally posted by Mandera
Viktoria Volchkova has a triple axel

The 2axel is not a strong jump for VV. I would be very suprised if she has a 3axel.

Nakano 3axel at Skate America looked cheated on the take-off and landing. I'm not sure why it was ratified by the ISU. Nelidia's was much cleaner and easier done.

Onda 3axel attempts are high enough to land cleanly if only she can not open up early.

None of the ladies' 3axel that I've seen on TV has come close to the power and beauty of Midor's 3axel at the 1990 World championship.

[dbny]

Originally posted by love2sk8
As for the skaters with quads, keep it up, its about time the bar was risen in ladies figure skating!

Actually, I don't think this is a good thing at all. Bigger jumps mean more injuries. Figure skating is now at the stage where just being an elite competitor means injury. I would rather see the emphasis shift to interpretation and footwork. Remember, in Yagudin's SP, "Winter," it wasn't the jumps that wowed everyone.

[love2sk8]

Tonya Harding had an Amazing 3axel also

[sk8ing is lyfe]

that is tru about alexei, however this is a sport, not interpretive dance... and the ladies at worlds one year, all top 10 i think had clean programs with the 3lutz/2toe and 3flip... no one since then seems to have tried to raise the bar... (except japan, which i have great respect for) what i mean is no one who is regularly seen on tv... ie. michelle kwan, sarah hughes.........

its great that the japanese ladies are doing this....

***remember to make it big means risk... and if thats risk of injury, more power to those who make it.....!!!!!! (oo...i like that... that is my new motto!!!)

[love2sk8]

LOL good motto sk8ing is lyfe....The Japanese girls are the ones that are puttign their stuff out there, and not always doing well, becuase of their falls from the 3axel. Thats usually the case, and when these girls can land the axel consistently, Japan will be on top. Ladies skating has been going on wayy to long with a "safe" program (all triples, but no 3/3's) I too, have great respect for skaters that take risk, because in the long run, it will pay off.

[lolat]

I agree with both of you. Some fans, I think ,would be more comfortable at the ballet but this is Worlds 2003, trust me, someone will land something great and the wailing will begin. LOL:lol:

[love2sk8]

I really hope so, lolat!!!!!

[sk8ing is lyfe]

i really hope there is an upset this year... it would b good to see someone come out of no where and take it.... hopefully with a quad... ?!?!?!?!!

[lolat]

sk8- that would be a great thing and the best part is how many people it would piss off. lol:lol:

[love2sk8]

Imagine if a Japanese skater won worlds with a 3axel AND a quad...I'm just dreaming, but it would raise the level of ladies skating SOO much!!

And of course it'd be refreshing, instead of seeing all those clean triple programs.

[melanieuk]

DBNY, I totally agree with you!
I'm always saying (though nobody listens or seems to agree) that I'm actually getting bored with "jump up and rotate 3 or 4 times" skating.

Skating's not just about jumps - what about the skating, the steps, the spins, the presentation?

Many young kids are going for big jumps and don't even have decent basic skating!

The injuries are horrendous....knees and hips will crumble.
The kids doing big jumps when their bones aren't formed properly is asking for trouble.
By 40 these kids will have the spines and bone densities of 90 year olds.
In 10 years time I may be able to outrun Yagudin.
What does that say?

A skater could land a quad and 7 triples, but it does nothing for me if there is no innovation in the (has to be fast and centred) spins or no intricate footwork or novel way of entering a move.

That's why I like watching Stephane Lambiel, Jeanette or even Klimkiln and Neil Wilson (to name but a few) who really outshine (for me) the likes of Plushenko or any other "jumping and thrusting" machine.

I'd much rather see good high double jumps (in both directions!) and great fast spins in both directions than any quad.

It's not a good thing for women (OR men) to be doing quads.... not good for them for when they hit 40 and have to have hip replacements and crutches.

[Lee]

I agree with those who believe there is too much emphasis on the jumps. After all, it's called figure skating, NOT figure jumping.

Midori Ito and Tonya Harding already 'raised the bar' 10 years ago when they were doing 3-axels in their programs. Not only did the axels NOT propel them to the top of the podium, but there was also no big rush for other women to join them with a 3-axel.

I think it's neat there are some women who *can* do the axel and quads, but I still believe those women will be the exceptions rather than the norms in women's skating. We're already seeing a plethora of hip injuries caused by adding 3-loops on the back end of combinations, and the number of joint, ligament and tendon injuries seems to be much higher now than it was in the past.

I really don't think a 3-axel in a program with so-so presentation is going to beat a program with all the other triples, excellent spins and field movements and the presentation is quite high -- the judges haven't fallen THAT much in love with the jump-up-and-rotate-quickly-in-the-air style to the exclusion of all else that makes skating skating.

[love2sk8]

I agree that they have to have artistic abilities also, and good spins, and carriage/flow on the ice, as well as being able to intrepret the music.

It's JMO...but I think it'd be neat to see some 3axels landed..although not just jumping abliities, but everything above has to be carried out as well.

And its true that the risk of injury is a big one. But theres that risk with every sport, not just this one...as long as the skaters dont put too much emphasis on working just on these higher risk elements...

~Just my opinion

[duane]

Originally posted by love2sk8
its about time the bar was risen in ladies figure skating!

i agree! it was amazing when elvis began landing the quad consistently, forcing the competitors to up the ante as well. now, a quad is a necessity for a man to have a possible chance to end up on the podium. and, the quality of mens skating hasnt suffered at all. those who combine jump difficulty with great presentation have dominated the top of the podium. look at the World and Olympic gold medalists since 97.

hopefully, consistent landing of the difficult jumps and combos will occur with the ladies.

[lolat]

As I have stated in the past. if triple axels, ect ,offend anyone then they should perhaps watch the JR skaters.

[sk8ing is lyfe]

ooo.... that was good lolat.... but even as far down as novice now, ppl r tying the 3axel... so mayb they should watch juvenile....!?!?!?!

also, if u just wanna see great sk8ing and no jumping, that is why we have dance

just a thought

[love2sk8]

LOL sk8ing, and lolat...you never know when a juv lady will be attempting that 3axel...

[dbny]

lolat, sk8ing is lyfe, and love2sk8

Now, now. We play nice here. No need to get snide just because someone disagrees with you.

[Roma]

I'm no expert, but I would guess that the EXTREMELY long seasons have more to do with injuries than high-revolution jumps. With all the tours, and even for lower ranked skaters, competitive seasons that now begin in the summer, they don't pace themselves as much as they used to.
And this is tru for the men and women---it seems as though people aremore concerned about women injuring themselves but at any given time several men (Alexei, Tim, Matt to name a few) are out with injuries.

[melanieuk]

Although I like to watch the occasional free dance, I want to watch free because I might see some innovation with the required elements, such as different or unusual entries into spins or spins being done in the opposite direction.

I enjoy steps (even if they are technically not as difficult) so long as they are pleasing to the eye.

I do enjoy watching some jumps. I prefer for example a 3loop from BO3s to seeing a lower ranking ice dance team.
It wouldn't bother me if I never saw a quad or 3axel ever again though.

I'd also hazard a guess that up to 50% of an audience wouldn't be able to tell a quad from a triple - I've been in a crowd at Euros surrounded by people who didn't notice a quad, and even asked me if it was!

Injuries happen in every sport.
It just seems to me, that as free skating progresses with it's multiple-rotation jumps, there are more and more injuries happening at earlier and earlier stages of a skater's career.

That's not good for them - or us, who miss seeing them when they are OUT!

[RoaringSkates]

Sarah Hughes has practiced a triple axel. I haven't heard of her doing it in public, but she's practiced it.

[venice]

Does anyone know anything about Chrissy Lipscomb, the American girl who came so close to landing a quad?

[Ziggy]

Originally posted by RoaringSkates
Sarah Hughes has practiced a triple axel. I haven't heard of her doing it in public, but she's practiced it.
The only question is was she consistent with it during her practices? :evil:

[Ziggy]

Ludmila Nelidina lands quads in practice.
Both Joanne Carter and Eva-Maria Fitze were landing triple axels consistently when they were in top form maaaany seasons ago.