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rack
01-23-2003, 11:49 AM
I've been thinking a lot about fans of skaters lately; watching threads on the Nationals board get halted will do that to you. Here are some of my thoughts:

It's the nature of how the sport of skating is presented that we only get to see (and thus develop fondness for) the best of the best of the best. Television selects for us which skaters we're going to see, and most of us don't go to competitions to see the skaters whose programs aren't televised. We don't see the junior or novice level skaters compete, or the lower level seniors (for the most part). Even when Grand Prix events are shown, with their much smaller fields, we don't see all the competitors. But since we are rooting for a specific skater, we tend to forget that that skater's competitors are at an extremely high level as well, and thus we underrate what those competitors can and do do. Unlike fans of a team sport, whose favorite team can have bad seasons (or decades of bad seasons), fans of a skater have no opportunity to develop loyalty to losers.

Skaters have very short shelf lives, and we don't necessarily see them or notice them in the earliest years of their competitions. Todd Eldredge came in fifth in his second US Nationals, so he probably was televised. Anyone care to name the silver medalist that year? Eldredge's first senior US Nationals was in 1988; he competed in 12 altogether, a remarkably big number. But I'd be surprised to learn there are as many as 10 baseball players in the Hall of Fame with careers that short. Skaters come and go in a flash; our passion for them burns hot and fast.

We don't see very much of skaters even in their peak competitive years. Take Sasha Cohen for example. I first noticed her in the fall of 1999. Between then and Worlds 2002, I probably saw her compete for no more (and quite possibly less) than one hour. Or take this season, where Sasha has competed a lot. Suppose she skates in 10 competitions, all televised, all with short and long programs. I will have seen her compete for perhaps a little more than one hour. Naomi Nari Nam's 15 minutes of fame was truly just that. If baseball is a Homeric saga (I could easily watch my favorite baseball team for 500 hours in a single season) then skaters are haiku, with every syllable magnified a thousand times over.

Since we are rooting for the best of the best of the best, who we see for the first time when they've already achieved an extremely high level of accomplishment, our reasons for favoring one over another can be as subjective as a judge's scoring. My dream skater would be a long-legged Jewish African-American with a great Ina Bauer and a high Russian split jump who skates to Stravinksy and is attending NYU Law School. Extra points if Fave Skater speaks Hungarian, has season tickets to the NYC Ballet and a membership in the ACLU. Should Fave Skater fail on 3 requirements in the short program and 7 elements in the long, I would still complain that the biased judges didn't give Fave enough credit for the Ina Bauer. And if the skater who won whispers how nice it would have been to get 9 6.0s instead of only 8, I'd be yelling about the ego of that skater, and who cares if the winnner's full body cast was removed only 5 minutes before the short program- Fave's Russian split jump was better. And if Fave claims that 2 of the judges belong to the KKK and 3 are legally blind, I'd be out there praising Fave for courageously revealing the truth about judging.

We pick our favorite skaters for a variety of reasons. We see entirely too little of them even in the course of a long career. We elevate them in our minds, and underestimate their competitors, because that's the nature of rooting, and because unlike most sports, the final result is not determined essentially objectively. And we dissect the smallest details of what our favorite skater does, and what that skater's rivals do (or fail to do) because skating is a qualitative not quantitative sport. All of which it might be helpful to remember the next time we sing praises to our favorites or skewer their competitors.

Mel On Ice
01-23-2003, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by rack

Todd Eldredge came in fifth in his second US Nationals, so he probably was televised. Anyone care to name the silver medalist that year? Eldredge's first senior US Nationals was in 1988; he competed in 12 altogether, a remarkably big number.

Paul Wylie?

adrianchew
01-23-2003, 01:28 PM
Thanks rack for some thoughts on what is a very interesting topic... the title in itself says quite a bit - fans of *skaters*. It might be interesting to list down how we got interested in the sport - for me, I was drawn in by drama and unavoidable press - the Kerrigan/Harding saga.

For many, many years - I was for the most part exactly that - "fan of skaters". I've probably made countless comments online that I'd probably want to choke someone else for saying these days. Just last night, I made a comment on IM to a friend about how ignorant the skating community is in general.

What made a difference for me, this season - I was lucky enough to have people (many thanks to them - they know who they are ;) ) who took the time and had the patience to provide guidance. That, along with a willingness to learn, and attending lower level competitions went a very long way.

You don't have the very best at the lower level competitions, and you don't go in having any favorites... its an open field, any skater can win and/or impress you. You see the inner workings of the sport... skating at the grassroots level... the making of possible future champions.

Take notes at events you attend. Yes, it can be distracting at first and you might miss something while trying to write, but it forces you to learn the elements... and allows for commentary beyond the mere - that skater had a beautiful program I liked, and that other skater had a dress to die for. First step towards understanding more - try to learn and identify and name as many elements as you can. Ask if you're not sure, and there's always the very useful reference site too...

http://www.sk8stuff.com/m_recognize.htm

What I'm getting at is that its possible to become a "skating fan/fan of skating" and not merely be a "fan of skaters". Depending on how much time you have and the availability of skating competitions in your geographic area, the pace you learn, etc, this process can take a few months or maybe 2-3 years... but if you ask me, its been a great investment.

Thought I may not always agree with the judging, I've begun to see the logic and process and thinking - the judging and results are most of the time done correctly and while its hard for most fans to see how the sum of parts came to that, once you get to a certain point - it will seem that the judging is not merely arbitrary and subjective - its generally pretty objective, though not flawless.

A.H.Black
01-23-2003, 02:12 PM
In 1989, I believe it was Danny Doran. Paul was third and didn't make the world team. Christopher Bowman was first.

Interesting thoughts. I feel differently in the sense that I no longer go to competitions to see the "stars". They are a priority, of course, but not the highest priority any more. This year I went to see Stephanie Rosenthal and Braden Overett. Before Braden made Nationals, I didn't plan on going at all.

I find that most fans who are fans of skaters drift away when that skater is no longer around. Those that are fans of skating find new skaters and skating performances to watch.

Mazurka Girl
01-23-2003, 02:35 PM
It was Dan Doran who placed second & Paul Wylie placed third in 1989.

loveskating
01-24-2003, 08:34 AM
Wow, Rach, what a perceptive post!

I think that seeing kids compete at the lower levels can show one how incredibly difficult skating is, how it takes a great deal of time to master it, and can provide a new respect for the rareness of ALL elite skaters.

I skated for a couple of years as a child, first in a large group, precision 1 hour then free skating; then my daughter competed a few years... in between, sometimes I followed skating and sometimes I didn't. I think when I first started posting, I thought I knew more than I did about the rules...I knew a lot about SKATING, for instance, that you were supposed to step up into that axel, not fling yourself across the ice (I'd seen pleanty of kids train the axel, all padded up and terrified, falling again and again and again) but I didn't bother with the rules, didn't know what the rules were when a skater did not do the 2 axel properly. Same with the lutz...I just assumed there was some dreadful penalty, when there isn't.

I think when I didn't take the time to learn the rules, or was not open to learning them, I didn't get as much out of the competitions, its not nearly as fun...and I know I have a great deal more to learn.

I sometimes do not have a favorite skater, sometimes I do -- often, they are not the gold medal winners, although I have very few gripes over the years about any gold medals (usually my gripes concern 3rd and 4th). I never doubted Witte's gold, but my fave among the two was Roz...don't know why! They both had incredible 2 axels, but for some reason, I used to just wait to see Roz's, LOL! I preferred Michelle to Tara, despite Tara's quite clear and decisive technical superiority (and lost all objectivity for a few months after Nagano). Or its like Yags and Abt...I like Abt's skating a bit better, love them both, but there is only one time that I think Abt beat Yags these past few years.

CMc
01-24-2003, 05:17 PM
I have to say, as much as I believe Sarah Hughes is one-of-a-kind and IMHO nobody can ever truly replace her when it's time for her to hang up the Klingbeils (Even if sister Emily is competing after her--Still hoping to see Emily compete on TV, though), I will continue to watch skating and support it. As far as future favorites go, there'll always be somebody coming up the ranks that'll be the one to watch. You just never know!;)

Eagle
01-24-2003, 06:59 PM
Rack, what a thoughtful post. It should be required reading for everyone. I give you a 6.0 for technical and 6.0 for presentation! :)

Adrian, very good response as well.

It makes me wonder, too, how different journalists cover the sport. Christine Brennan, for example, has hundreds of thousands of readers through her "USA Today" column ... she has to communicate with them at a level they can grasp. That's entirely different from boards such as this one, where you have an opportunity to take your eyes off the tip of the iceberg and go as far below the surface as you want.

Figureskates
01-24-2003, 09:56 PM
I don't think all fans drift away after a skater is no longer in the spot light.

I have a list of personal favorites that goes back to the late 50s and it is fun to run across them after these many years. Some still skate, some have passed away, some are currently in the spotlight and one teaches at the rink where I skate and we a great friends.

As new skaters come along, they get added to my ever growing list.

dbell
01-24-2003, 10:41 PM
Adrian asked how and when we first got involved watching skating. I was very young (maybe 10?) and my grandmother (whom I lived with) was watching some old Sonya Heine movie on tv. I think it was Sun Valley Serenade. Then she got me hooked on Nationals, Worlds, Olympics, etc. I watched on and off through the years but got back into it in 1995 when I was very pregnant and it was mainly the only thing on during the weekends. ;) My Mary Kay lady was learning to skate and I finally learned what an axle was!

Seems most of my favorites have been around for years. Todd, Michelle and Kurt are still there. Paul Wylie and T&D are retired. Yags and Sarah are 'new' to my list. I love a good story behind someone like Rudy Galindo. How could you not love a man who won Nationals and said he wanted to buy a tombstone for his mom? :cry:

The boards to me have been a lot of fun with some aggrevation tossed in. There are wonderful people here (and on FSU) that will take the time to explain 'twizzles' and flutzes. But there's also people everywhere who will tear down one skater to build up or protect 'their' favorite.

kwanette
01-25-2003, 06:31 AM
I have loved skating all of my life. Every summer we would go to the Ice Capades in Atlantic City and that was such a thrill for me.

We always watched skating when it was televised, though infrequent. I can remember exactly where I was when the tragic 61 plane crash was reported on TV. I think I became a die-hard skating fan because of the 80 Olympics. I don't think I ever missed a televised skating event since then. The when I got a vcr in 83 I was in "Skating Heaven"...I have had a few favorites over the years...some for whom it was "love at first sight"....Scott, Tiffany Chin, Kristi, Paul Wylie, Michelle Kwan." Others I came to really admire and appreciate...like Todd and Brian B....Some I like as people but their skating style is not my type..Midori, Elayne....Some I like their skating but their personalities annoy me...no names here...I have rejoiced for many...Yay, Rudy!! and have been broken-hearted for others...Tai and Randy....but I do love the sport....It is no secret that I am "absolutely over the moon" about Michelle Kwan...but when the day comes when she no longer competes or is on the scene...I will still follow the sport....I think it is terrific...