Galit & Sergei Update

[Inushka]

its official..well also through word of mouth but Galit andSergei have left Dubova to work with Platov? ANy thoughts? I think Galit and sergei have been back and forth between Dubova and Linnichuk but I think Evgeny could be a good change for them. It depends on how his choreography is(if its just a bunch of left of moves from his days with Pasha then... I dont really know). WHat does everyone think about this? Alsi I'm curious to know what everyone thinks about all these international dancers coming to the US to coach(i.e. Zhulin,Platov,etc) do you think this will bring more attention to the sport od ice dance for US?

here's also a link to the official press release about galit and sergei:
http://www.ice-dance.com/newsmedia/

[gandalf]

Has Platov ever coached before ? If not, I think C&S are taking a bit of a risk. Being good at something does not mean you're are good at teaching it to someone else.

I don't think the influx of Russian coaches to the US will make any difference to the popularity of ice dance.

[Inushka]

gandalf:
i dont believe evgeny has coached before..if he has it hasnt been for such a highly ranked dance team as galit and sergei. i agree with the risk factor.it seems to be me that they were doing well under Dubova and had finally developed intersteing programs.who is dubova coaching now?it seems to me now the two major camps are tarasova and linnichuk(which its always been).

about the influx of russian coaches i cant udnerstand with the american team noami and petr didnt impress me that much this season.i guess i was expecting a dramtic difference when they went to zhulin. however navka and kostamorov dont impress me that much either...

it maybe just me,i'm a ballet dancer not an ice dancer:0)

~inna

[Katta]

To go to someone who hasn't coached before it's very very risky. Especially coming off such a questioned medal at Worlds. With Dubova they finally started working on their technique ( not using the toepick, leg extensions etc ) I believe that if they would have stayed result would've been coming. Evgeni was/is a great skater, and I guess is also taking a risk coaching Galit and Sergei, if they don't the result it will cast a shadow on him as well. Risky for someone starting out as a coach. Has he ever choreographed in the past ?
Just my two cents,
Kat

[scs]

I agree that this is a risky move. IMO, Galit and Sergei need to work on basic technique. Will they get this from an inexperienced coach? I guess we'll have to wait and see. My memories of Gritchuk and Platov is of some frantic skating (not all of it, just a predominant memory for me). That seems to be what Galit and Sergei have been doing, so perhaps it will be a good fit....

[lrng to skt]

Oh I think this could be very good. Gritschuk/Platov had a similar style and talent to C/S. Platov has danced with the best and won Olympic twice.

It may not translate into good coaching - but I am very hopeful for this team up...g

[zowie]

Yes, I agree they need to work on basic technique, but from what I can tell do the judges really care?

[Orable]

lol, you're probably right zowie

[lrng to skt]

But as long as THEY care we'll still get to see good skating :lol: ...g

[Dragonheart97]

I am much more of a fan of Evgeny's skating with Maya Usova than with Pasha. There was less frantic stuff going on and some actual skating, and some great skating at that.

I do think C & S's basic technique will probably get some work. I don't think Evgeny is totally "inexperienced" at coaching -- from what I hear both he and Maya have been coaching skaters at their rink for quite some time. Of course his coaching skills will be questioned because this is the first "high profile" team he's worked with. But everyone has to start somewhere, and if Galit and Sergei feel Evgeny can help them, then having that confidence is the best place to start.

I'm looking forward to following them this year -- I needed someone to fill the void left by A & P. :(

[lrng to skt]

Look at it this way [b:409c3bd149]DragonH[/b:409c3bd149] - if that is your preference - Evgeny was the less "frantic" of the two (G/P). So maybe you will get more of what you want from this.

Myself - I liked Usova and Zhulin and G/P - but never the mix. I really do not want to see Galit and Sergei try to emulate the "smoother" style as I much prefer them in their more natural inclination of "over the top" and "frenetic" :lol: :twisted: .

I'd love the see Gritschuk do some serious coaching :twisted: ...g

[Bosco]

Yes, I agree they need to work on basic technique, but from what I can tell do the judges really care?

isn't Papa Chait the deciding factor in all this? :twisted: :P :twisted:

[Dragonlady]

The rumour is that Papa Chait has suffered some financial reverses so money may have been a factor.

[Dragonheart97]

[quote:307c8f49ac="lrng to skt"]Look at it this way [b:307c8f49ac]DragonH[/b:307c8f49ac] - if that is your preference - Evgeny was the less "frantic" of the two (G/P). So maybe you will get more of what you want from this.

Myself - I liked Usova and Zhulin and G/P - but never the mix. I really do not want to see Galit and Sergei try to emulate the "smoother" style as I much prefer them in their more natural inclination of "over the top" and "frenetic" :lol: :twisted: .

I'd love the see Gritschuk do some serious coaching :twisted: ...g[/quote:307c8f49ac]


I don't mind that Galit & Sergei get "frantic" -- but I'd like to see a better balance. IMO, if you can mix smooth lines with the drama -- still portray that emotion, but with the fluidity -- it's a winning combination. So yes, I do think that Evgeny's input to G&S's established style will probably balance things out nicely -- again IMO.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want G&S to change their style -- just work out the kinks, which is basically what everyone here is already saying. I enjoy their skating, having first noticed them at 2000 Skate Canada. I saw them live before I ever saw them on TV, watched them practice pretty much all week, and was able to form my own opinions of them without the influence of TV and Internet, because it was the first time I'd seen/heard of them. I wish I could "discover" all my favorites that way...

DH97, DragonH.... whatever's easiest to type, LOL! :wink:

[lrng to skt]

I say you get what you pay for :twisted: ...g

[Inushka]

does anyone know what pasha is up to?last i heard she had started her own ice dance school but i'm not sure how successful it is?

[IgglesII]

[quote:b8abb84c09="Inushka"]i guess i was expecting a dramtic difference when they went to zhulin. however navka and kostamorov dont impress me that much either...

it maybe just me,i'm a ballet dancer not an ice dancer:0)

~inna[/quote:b8abb84c09]

I don't think you're the only one who isn't impressed with the results coming from dance teams under Zhulin. His choreography for singles skaters and pairs teams works well - his choreography for dance teams lately, in a word, *stinks* Perhaps he should give up the additional coaching responsibilities and stick to choreography.

I still can't believe he sent Naomi & Peter to the OLYMPICS with a recycled show program for a Free Dance!

[Shae & Vic Forever]

[quote:b944283877="Inushka"]does anyone know what pasha is up to?last i heard she had started her own ice dance school but i'm not sure how successful it is?[/quote:b944283877]

last i heard she was the guest of a prince

[lrng to skt]

IgglesII[/b:8a05f89bd8] - I sooooo agree regarding all points on Zhulin - OK, I can see trying to choreography within the capability of the skaters - but that was flat out ridiculous.

I also find it strange that so many skaters seem to have no feeling whatsoever regarding their own programs and skating - or are they just intimidated :evil: ...g

[Miezekatze]

Although I [b:f1a6ce2881]loved[/b:f1a6ce2881] Zhulin's programs for Navka & Kostomarov (although a little more difficulty wouldn't have hurt either). Both their OD and FD were among my absolute favorites of last season. On the other hand the content of L&T's long program was ridiculous, what did they have, some show effects, some awwwww lifts and some hydroblading with nothing in between. Could have to do with the fact that Tatiana Navka is Zhulin's wife, while Naomi, well, isn't :wink:

As far as I know L&T will be with Tarasova next year, so it will be interesting what she will do with them. Although I still think that Belbin & Agosto are more promising than L&T.

Don't even get me started on Pasha, what a waste of talent :cry: But she'll always be one of my favorite ice dancers, and also the one that got me interested in dance in the first place. I hope she at least is happy, whatever she's doing now.

[Scott]

[quote:904b597e27="IgglesII"][quote:904b597e27="Inushka"]i guess i was expecting a dramtic difference when they went to zhulin. however navka and kostamorov dont impress me that much either...

it maybe just me,i'm a ballet dancer not an ice dancer:0)

~inna[/quote:904b597e27]

I don't think you're the only one who isn't impressed with the results coming from dance teams under Zhulin. His choreography for singles skaters and pairs teams works well - his choreography for dance teams lately, in a word, *stinks* Perhaps he should give up the additional coaching responsibilities and stick to choreography.

I still can't believe he sent Naomi & Peter to the OLYMPICS with a recycled show program for a Free Dance![/quote:904b597e27]

Iggles, again you hit it on the nail head. I was surprised at Naomi and Peter's competitive programs this year as well. What was Zhulin thinking? It seems to me that he was not paying much attention to his american teams, including Joseph and Forsyth! Maybe concentrating on his wife and her partner? Anyway, It appears that everybody is leaving him, so that is a wonderful advertisement for his success. I do understand that Alexander Abt is coming to train with him, which I do not comprehend at all.

[Meredith]

[quote:4b30407e4d="Miezekatze"]As far as I know L&T will be with Tarasova next year, so it will be interesting what she will do with them. [/quote:4b30407e4d]I didn't know that. Good for them for moving on.

[Inushka]

i thought it was kind of ridiculous to to send a team to the olympics AND worlds withh a recycled program.i didnt know if this was due to his (zhulin)focusing on his wife's team. coudl it also be a russian bias(just speculating)?

[Shae & Vic Forever]

I think Naomi and Peter were held up in SLC. I think had D/L not had the difficulties with her costume as they did that they would've surpassed L/T in the freedance. oh well, such is life....and ice dance :roll:

[lrng to skt]

Unbelievable - we've gone from L/T wuz rubbed to they wuz held up.

I have to admit I've never heard of D/L being robbed before 8O - now Winkler and Lohse of course have always seriously robbed :roll:

Personally, I think fans have it all over the judges for "The Block" :twisted: :wink: ...g