Another ISU article

[Dustin]

Here it is:
http://www.canoe.ca/Slam020602/ska_isu-ap.html

[Aussie Willy]

What do they mean by "beleagued judging system"? It is not the system that is the problem, it is the corrupt judges. Who are they kidding?

[Dustin]

The ISU is probably telling lies to the newspapers to make it look like they are doing something when they really aren't ;)

Here is another article:
http://msn.espn.go.com/oly/news/2002/0603/1390162.html

[Scott]

[quote:42c363b6c9="Aussie Willy"]What do they mean by "beleagued judging system"? It is not the system that is the problem, it is the corrupt judges. Who are they kidding?[/quote:42c363b6c9]

I couldn't have said it better!

[Aussie Willy]

Dustin - thanks for the other article.

Now another interesting point. Why is that the whole of the ISU voted for Speedy's proposal but only the figure skating delegates will vote for the proposals present by the Australian and American delegations?

It is just too underhanded and slimy.

BTW - way to go Australia for taking a stand! But then they also have their own self-interest for their proposal. Be interesting to see what happens with this one.

[Scott]

I must say that I am surprised at the lead Australia is taking at the ISU meeting. Didn't realize that there was much interest in the sport downunder! Go Aussies!

[loveskating]

I find it all so interesting.

Originally, it was Stapleford and Lavoie who claimed (and apparently, also to Christine Brennan, who wrote a story which was published by USA Today the very next morning before Canada had even filed for arbitration or before ANY official statements were made by either the ISU or the IOC) that Le Gougne said she was pressured.

On the basis of Stapleford's and Lavoie's charges, along with Hamilton's and Bezic's commentary, the entire U.S. Press went wild, and U.S. et al. skaters went on television claiming a clear victory for Sale & Peltier when anyone knowledgeable about skating knows that was a very, very close competition...and then Le Gougne is dragged before the ISU in an emergency meeting required by the IOC via Roggue, and after hours of harranging her, [b:1a7d89b88b]she "confesses" to what Lavoie and Stapleford said she said!! Hmmmmmm.[/b:1a7d89b88b] [i:1a7d89b88b]Now it comes out that Stapleford disappeared? She was not there for the emergency meeting? Hmmmm. [/i:1a7d89b88b]

Comment: Its hard to see how the officers of the ISU could pull any kind of coup...historically, a coup is something organized by INDIVIDUALS in conspiracy who [u:1a7d89b88b]do not [/u:1a7d89b88b]have legitimate power. This is precisely what defines a coup. They take power outside the normal channels and the normal procedures of the given institution. They basically appoint themselves, are usually a visible faction in any case, and normally, they have the support of some corporations, the military, some section of the elite...which does not enjoy a majority (often, nowhere close to a majority) in any sector of society, incluidng in the elite...which is PRECISELY why they seek a coup. Clearly, the officers of the ISU are not in a position of having to unleash a coup...considering the vote, it seems opposite, in fact.

I'm pleased they are testing a new system...it should be tested, very thoroughly. Also, should it prove valuable, and be adopted, the skaters should be given ample time to adjust their competition programs to it.

I'm also pleased they are drawing up a code of ethics...its wrong to punish people arbitrarily and whimsically, retroactively, and based on "public opinion" and particularly when the media has become a predatory, lieing, sensationalist scam machine hungry for ratings...about as far from the "Fifth Estate" as it is possible to be. Its better to take a long and broad view, rather than to merely react to a week in the life of skating...I should not like to see people I respect in the United States treated the same way, say, via the French/European Media during Trophe Lalique or the Russian media during Cup of Russia or the German media during Sparkassian Cup????

[blades]

makes me wanna scream!!!

it's the JUDGING stupid!!!

no code of ethics...no computerized lotto judging...will change the outcome with the collusion that exists...

besides...you have the fox (cinquanta) designing the security for the henhouse...he's as corrupt as they get...

the first thing should be to dump the s.o.b. and get a figure skater in charge of figure skating!!!

[Lee]

Another article...from Wednesday's proceedings:

No decision on changes to figure skating's scoring system (http://www.nandotimes.com/sports/story/424485p-3389670c.html)

[Aussie Willy]

[quote:318943ba62="Scott"]I must say that I am surprised at the lead Australia is taking at the ISU meeting. Didn't realize that there was much interest in the sport downunder! Go Aussies![/quote:318943ba62]

Hey for a country that is not recognised as a skating country we actually do have quite a few judges who judge at international events. I don't always agree with the decisions they make but I have to say that I have always found them to do their own thing when it comes to their decisions so I would like to think they do not get involved in the corruption.

[Lee]

[quote:d4f7b7eb31="Scott"]I must say that I am surprised at the lead Australia is taking at the ISU meeting. Didn't realize that there was much interest in the sport downunder! Go Aussies![/quote:d4f7b7eb31]
After the way the Aussie federation got thoroughly hosed by the ISU over 2000 Worlds, I'm not surprised in the least that they're making a lot of noise. They're gonna make [i:d4f7b7eb31]damn[/i:d4f7b7eb31] Speedy and Co. don't forget they're out there, that they're viable and that they have a lot to contribute -- and I say, all the more power to ya! :)