program assignment

[falen]

Hi
DD has an assignment to construct a program for camp. Coach is on vacation and dd wants to know if a half filp followed by a waltz jump is considered a combination jump. She can actually do a half flip followed by a waltz jump. I think 2 or 3 waltz jumps consecutively is a sequence right? And a waltz jump side toe hop waltz jump is a combination since it is in the book. She wants variety in her assignment and she can do all that I mentioned, but her book does not have the half flip followed by a waltz as an element.
Thanks in advance

[icestalker]

The half flip lands forward and steps onto the RFI edge, so she would have to take another step to do a waltz jump, thus making it a sequence. If she does the half flip taking off from the right toe and landing on the same toe, then stepping onto LFI, she would have to negotiate a tricky change of edge and then do the waltz jump, and I'm not even sure if it's still a combo, since the change of edge and checking would take up quite a bit of time.

A half flip toe-loop, I think, might be considered a combo, since after stepping on the RFI edge she stays on the same foot, 3turns, and jumps. But since the half flip has a two step landing and involves a change of foot, I'm not sure if it can be used in combos at all.

[falen]

oh my she must be doing something off. She was goofing around on her own and did a half flip then a waltz jump. It was really likity split fast so even if I knew which edge, I don't know if any edges changed. In group camp no one mentioned she is doing the half flip incorrectly.

[isakswings]

oh my she must be doing something off. She was goofing around on her own and did a half flip then a waltz jump. It was really likity split fast so even if I knew which edge, I don't know if any edges changed. In group camp no one mentioned she is doing the half flip incorrectly.

Is she still seeing her coach? If so, maybe have her do it for her coach and see what her coach says?? That way coach can correct it if she is doing something wrong. Just a thought! I know whenever a skater learns something wrong, it can take a bit to correct, so if you have her fix it now, then maybe it won't be an issue later??

Good luck to her with planning her program! :)

[renatele]

oh my she must be doing something off. She was goofing around on her own and did a half flip then a waltz jump. It was really likity split fast so even if I knew which edge, I don't know if any edges changed. In group camp no one mentioned she is doing the half flip incorrectly.

Half flip can be done two ways: the more "usual" way is landing forward on the opposite foot toepick and pushing to FI edge, or landing forward on the same toepick, and pushing off to a flat, or possibly FO edge, which your daughter is probably doing.

[fsk8r]

A half flip toe-loop, I think, might be considered a combo, since after stepping on the RFI edge she stays on the same foot, 3turns, and jumps. But since the half flip has a two step landing and involves a change of foot, I'm not sure if it can be used in combos at all.

A half flip toe-loop would not count as a combination because of the 3-turn before the toe-loop. A combination must not have any turns or steps between the jumps.

The half flip waltz jump proposed would be a combination jump as there's no turn between landing the half flip and jumping the waltz.

[Isk8NYC]

The half flip lands forward and steps onto the RFI edge, so she would have to take another step to do a waltz jump, thus making it a sequence. As Renatele already stated, the half flip and half lutz jumps can land on EITHER toepick. I have a talented CCW skater who had both in her program, in a sequence (not combination), with different entrances! Man, I loved that program. She would do a RFI mohawk, half-flip landing on the right toepick/left outside edge, LFO3, half-flip landingo n the left toepick/right inside edge. Very cool for a Freeskate 1 skater to manage.

I like teaching the half flip with both landings, partially because it does provide more choreography options, but also because landing on the picking foot forces the skater to transfer their weight to the picking foot faster. That also prepares them to land a full flip later on without bailing and touching down on the free foot later on in their lessons.

A combination jump is when the skater performs two or more jumps, one right after the other, with no steps or turns in between. A jump sequence is created when a skater performs two or more jumps, one right after the other, with steps or turns in between. The half-jumps are dicey as a starting/middle jump because of the landings: they're landing toe-to-opposite foot edge. I'm not sure what the judging would be on that since technically, there's an extra step.

I'm not sure about the half-flip-waltz jump - it could be considered a combination since the proscribed landing is technically two-footed (toe-to-edge). I think it's cute and your daughter should include it, but she should be open to discussion and critique since it will be controversial. That's an important learning experience anyway and will help her better understand the process and rules in your area.

Examples that the OP's DD might be able to manage would be: multiple waltz jumps, multiple toe loops, waltz jump-toeloop, three-jump-salchow, half-loop-salchow. IIRC, she's not doing loop jumps yet, but if she were, she could tag one on the end of any backward-landing jump for a combination.

Sounds like a great skating camp. Our rink's camp starts this week, so I'm going to mosey over to watch for a while today, so I'll be ready to coach on Friday. I don't want to repeat the things they've already done in exactly the same way.

[Ellyn]

From a strict definition point of view, a jump combination at that skill level might have to be toe loop-toe loop or salchow-toe loop.

But if the purpose of the assignment is for the kids to exercise their own creativity putting together elements they can do into a program, specifically to put jumps together for the jump combination element, then I'd think that a creative sequence of half jumps like half flip-waltz jump would serve that purpose just fine.

[falen]

Wow thanks. I think she will just have to put it in and see what happens. She seems to be doing a half flip that lands on the same toe pick and then glides forward on the same foot that she takes off for a waltz.