View Full Version : Romanyta/Barantsev - Who Should be Their New Partners?
quark
10-12-2002, 08:45 PM
Just for fun. Who would you select if you could pick new partners for these skaters? They don't have to be available.
Natalia Romanyta - Peter Tchernyshev
Daniel Barantsev - Jamie Silverstein
:)
Amy L
10-12-2002, 09:24 PM
Whoever Natalia skates with will have to be tall. She's 5' 8". Danill is 5' 10" and was "too small" for her. So I guess whoever skates with her will have to be 6' or taller. I wish someone would clone Oleg Ovsiannikov!
DancerFan
10-12-2002, 09:48 PM
There was a lot of talk at 2001 4CC in Salt Lake and at 2001 Worlds that Igor wanted Barantsev for Jamie, but things were going too well for him at that point to leave Natalia. I wonder if this has anything to do with the recent rumors?:?:
what?meworry?
10-12-2002, 11:58 PM
and just how many non-us citizen teams can usfsa handle before we crumble into a dusty heap internationally?
right now the top 3 teams have only one team, l/t, who have citizenship for the 2006 olympics. so g/p may be ok by then. l/t are in decline, imo.
so what the heck is usfsa doing to promote and develop usa citizen male ice dancers for the long term?
igor, it could be speculated, has been instrumental in splitting teams. perhaps the teams were better: mannon/obzansky became mannon/klus; nitake/o'meara were split for ralph/omera. but to furthr split teams for non usa citizen partners doesn't give the usfsa much of a future for future olympics.
now, i admit i don't know if these partner speculations are non usa citizens. please advise if they are.citizens. right now, a lot of the senior teams seem to be usa/non-usa teams.
please set me straight if i am wrong.
adrianchew
10-13-2002, 02:07 AM
Topic moved to General Skating where it belongs. Please post in the proper forum next time. ~adrianchew~
quark
10-13-2002, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by what?meworry?
and just how many non-us citizen teams can usfsa handle before we crumble into a dusty heap internationally?
right now the top 3 teams have only one team, l/t, who have citizenship for the 2006 olympics. so g/p may be ok by then. l/t are in decline, imo.
so what the heck is usfsa doing to promote and develop usa citizen male ice dancers for the long term?
igor, it could be speculated, has been instrumental in splitting teams. perhaps the teams were better: mannon/obzansky became mannon/klus; nitake/o'meara were split for ralph/omera. but to furthr split teams for non usa citizen partners doesn't give the usfsa much of a future for future olympics.
Good Points. AFAIK Igor wasn't involved in the Mannon/Obzansky split. Klus showed up at Detroit, and wanted Igor to train him. Actually, Igor wanted to pair Klus with Melissa Ralph, but Klus didn't want to start with a complete unknown with no dance competition experience. I believe Klus went after Mannon. I don't know about the Nitake/O'Meara split.
Miss.Issippi
10-14-2002, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by quark
Just for fun. Who would you select if you could pick new partners for these skaters? They don't have to be available.
Natalia Romanyta - Peter Tchernyshev
Daniel Barantsev - Jamie Silverstein
:)
This IMO will forever be a thread "just for fun" since I don't think the Russian Federation will be hosting a going away party for Natalia or Danill any time soon so they can move to the U.S. They are two time Jr. World champions and the Russians won't be at all helpful in granting them visas to leave the country. They have tons of potentiaal to bring the Russian federations medals with other Russian partners ... unless of course Jaime wants to skate for Russia! :P
Igor's good but I don't think he has that much pull.
quark
10-14-2002, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by Miss.Issippi
.....the Russians won't be at all helpful in granting them visas to leave the country. They have tons of potentiaal to bring the Russian federations medals with other Russian partners ... unless of course Jaime wants to skate for Russia! :P
Yea, you're right. It's even worse than that. The country which a skater leaves has to give permission for them to represent their new country. Looks like this eliminates skaters who defect as well. Any comments?
Trillian
10-14-2002, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by DancerFan
There was a lot of talk at 2001 4CC in Salt Lake and at 2001 Worlds that Igor wanted Barantsev for Jamie, but things were going too well for him at that point to leave Natalia. I wonder if this has anything to do with the recent rumors?:?:
No, it doesn't. Or if it does, people are pulling things out of thin air, because Barantsev is definitely not an issue AFAIK.
If I could pick new partners for Romaniuta & Barantsev, I'd pair Romaniuta with Roman Kostamarov and Barantsev with Elena Khaliavina. Romaniuta & Kostamarov would be a much better match height-wise and he's not that much older than she is; Barantsev and Khaliavina would be just gorgeous IMO. However, since Kostamarov seems pretty tied to his current partner, and Khaliavina has apparently quit, I wouldn't expect either of those pairings to have much, if any, chance of actually happening.
'The country which a skater leaves has to give permission for them to represent their new country. Looks like this eliminates skaters who defect as well. Any comments?'
If enough money is given to Russia they will let them go. A previous winner of Junoir worlds Michail Stephani was released to France after big bucks were paid. However the winners of Australian nationals could not compete internationally for Australia last year as the national asociation said Russia wouldn't release the male partner but word on the gropevine is that is was due to 'Australian politics" rather than the Russian association. I am sure if a partner has the right and support from the national association plus the influence of the right coach eg Igor then they could be competing for the US.
ClevelandDancer
10-17-2002, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by kia
If enough money is given to Russia they will let them go. A previous winner of Junoir worlds Michail Stephani was released to France after big bucks were paid. However the winners of Australian nationals could not compete internationally for Australia last year as the national asociation said Russia wouldn't release the male partner but word on the gropevine is that is was due to 'Australian politics" rather than the Russian association. I am sure if a partner has the right and support from the national association plus the influence of the right coach eg Igor then they could be competing for the US.
Though I agree, I'm guessing Jamie can't afford him ;) Just my guess of course, but if she had money to "buy" a partner with, the Jamie & Brandon Coffee Club would not have come about!
Jamie is such a lovely skater on the ice it is a pity she couldn't be put with a really good partner like Daniel. Maybe we should ask the ISU to allow a couple to skate for different countries and have a number of places at each competition for ISU skaters.Wouldn't work for the Olympics but now at worlds many of the individual skaters in couples events are not representing the countries in which they were born or of which they are a citizen.
what?meworry?
10-17-2002, 11:38 PM
with exception of peter t. i know of no other russian who is not supported fully by the partner's family, including, in some cases, a "salary."
i also question if this is healthy for usa dance in the long term.
maybe usfsa should take a page out of the russian training manual and start supporting and promoting male skaters; perhaps supporting russian male partners wishing to enter the usa and match them up with the best female, not just the one whose family has the money to support them. perhaps the successful russian coaches would be willing to sponsor russian male skaters into the usa to compete with the most talented and best matched female skaters?
there's got to be a better way.
Miss.Issippi
10-18-2002, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by kia
Jamie is such a lovely skater on the ice it is a pity she couldn't be put with a really good partner like Daniel. Maybe we should ask the ISU to allow a couple to skate for different countries and have a number of places at each competition for ISU skaters.Wouldn't work for the Olympics but now at worlds many of the individual skaters in couples events are not representing the countries in which they were born or of which they are a citizen.
Well that was a hit below the belt. Brandon Forsyth is one of my favorites and saying Jaime should be "put with a realy good partner like Danill" was distressing. Jaime is a lovely skater, it's true, but why should exceptions, like a new ISU rule, be made for her when there are others out there right now working hard and competing by the existing rules.
That was not meant to be a critisism of Brandon but who would skate well with Daniel-sorry to offend you. And you are right there are many adhering to the rules but if Worlds is to be truly representative of a country then both partners should be citizens of that country and train there but that would eliminate( probably by stopping from forming) a good number of good couples we have had at worlds over the past few years. Why not be more open about it and have a system which allows skaters to represent the country of their citizenship should they desire. We could then see some very interesting partnerships and there could be more skaters we could thoeretically partner with partners other than those they currently have.
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