Can someone clarify a half flip for me?

[Skittl1321]

First- I'm a clockwise skater.

Okay- as I remember it I pick with the opposite foot as my toe loop.
So for a toe loop I do a 3 turn onto a left backward outside edge and pick with my right foot.

For a half flip, I do a 3 turn onto a right backwards inside edge and pick with my left foot, do a half turn, land on my right foot, and then step down my left foot to glide out of the jump-facing forwards?

I have such a hard time practicing jumps because I can never remember the differences. (And my list to practice keeps getting longer, I'm up to waltz, toe loop, salchow, half flip, and all the combinations those can make- and all my non-rotational jumps) Thanks!

[flippet]

For a half flip, I do a 3 turn onto a right backwards inside edge and pick with my left foot, do a half turn, land on my right foot, and then step down my left foot to glide out of the jump-facing forwards?

Yes.

Perhaps to keep them straight (at least until you've got them in the bag), try using a different entrance for the half flip? I like the mohawk entrance, myself--keeps it straighter and less swingy, for me.

So, for you, that would be LFI to RBI mohawk, pick with the left pick, half turn to the right, 'land' on the right pick, immediately stepping onto the left forward inside edge to glide out.

I think I translated the directions correctly there! :)

[Morgail]

Trying a different entrance might help. Also, you could remember that you enter the toe loop from an inside 3-turn, and the half flip from an outside 3-turn. And it gets more complicated when you get to the half lutz. When I first learned those jumps, I could never remember which was the half flip and which was the half lutz.

[techskater]

Think about the flip family and the Salchow family as related.

[Skittl1321]

Also, you could remember that you enter the toe loop from an inside 3-turn, and the half flip from an outside 3-turn.

hahaha! That would require me to remember which 3-turn was which!!!

But thanks all for the help- I have tried them from mohawks, but my coach is putting a 3-turn entrance into my "program" because it's stronger than my mohawk- but I do both in practice.

[Skittl1321]

Yes.

Perhaps to keep them straight (at least until you've got them in the bag), try using a different entrance for the half flip? I like the mohawk entrance, myself--keeps it straighter and less swingy, for me.

So, for you, that would be LFI to RBI mohawk, pick with the left pick, half turn to the right, 'land' on the right pick, immediately stepping onto the left forward inside edge to glide out.

I think I translated the directions correctly there! :)
Thanks so much- that's exactly what I needed. I have done the mohawk, but my mohawks aren't as strong (good reason to keep doing them-right?)

Think about the flip family and the Salchow family as related.
Excellent tip! Of course, I have to abort half my toe loops because I'm doing the wrong 3-turn after having practiced salchows...

And it gets more complicated when you get to the half lutz.
Oh, don't tell me that. I have never had such a hard time between right and left (etc) as I do on the ice.

[kayskate]

I agree w/ doing 1/2 flip from mohawk. The 1/2 flip is the traditional foundation for positional jumps like stag and split which are generally done from a mohawk. (Of course stag and split can be done from other entries as well.)

For fun, or just to drive yourself nuts, try a 1/4 flip. I am also a CW skater, so here are the instructions from a directional buddy.
Do a mohawk turn that leaves you gliding backward on RBI edge. Tap w/ left toepick. Jump up from left toepick and make a CW turn forward. This is like skipping, as you will also land on the left toepick. Step immediately to RFO or RF flat. Although it is called 1/4, the turn really leaves you facing forward.

This little skip can be done in series w/ a 1/2 flip next or full flip. I have seen it used as a training exercise for a 2flip. And it works great. Do a 1/4 flip. Step to RFO edge and proceed w/ a 2flip from a mohawk or RFO 3turn (CW directions, translate if req'd). I had a 2flip w/o a decent landing on the first try. But I had the rotation. it is a great exercise.

Kay