Lloyd Eisler Banned from Coaching in Canada

[Tony Wheeler]

Came across this on the Toronto Star's website
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1160776234329

[Schmeck]

Very odd - is it always so hush-hush and screwy in Canada? Does anyone have any idea what this is about?

[Isk8NYC]

While I dislike secrecy in situations like this, I chuckled at Lloyd's being "branded a cad." It's so great that we have members from all over the world - I love the differences from place to place.

Thanks for the article.

[Lark]

Obviously, Eisler is a trashy skank for what he did to his wife (can you let your spouse have her child before you knock someone else up!?!).

I have no interest in why he would be banned, but am not surprised, judging by his character. :evil:

[ice_godess]

Let's face it -- there are probably only two things a coach could do in Canada in order to face a suspension. Screwing around on your wife with a movie star is not one of them (she's not a minor - and what consenting adults do in their spare time is not coaching related).

[LTM]

Well, Eisler certainly leaves an incrediable amount to be desired as a husband, father, human being....however this whole having your suspension
hearing "over the phone" is a tad worrisome. Kind of like phoning in your court appearance.
Hence why I don't need to hear the gory details. If they are criminal then charge the man.... and we can all hear about it.
If they are only bad enough to suspend him....isn't that enough of a message to parents that perhaps someone else should coach their kid.
I still remember all the stuff that flew over the internet when American coach Richard Callehan (I hope that's spelt correctly). It was nasty, ugly and at the end of the day...did anything much come of it.

[ice_godess]

Isn't it possible that the injured parties aren't pressing criminal charges through the courts in order to protect their identities and privacy? I'm sure that Skate Canada must have a pretty good case or proof - to back up their decision and a one-phone call hearing was not the beginning of their investigation. I can't imagine that Skate Canada would not inform Eisler of their decision by registered mail ---so wouldn't he have had to sign for that?

[Imo]

Came across this follow-up today... He was apparently suspended for inappropriate emails to a student.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061019/lloyd_eisler_061019/20061019?hub=Canada

[Nicki]

Thanks for sharing the article. Glad to see that skate Canada is taking this seriously.

[Lark]

Eislergate?

[iceprincesskc]

Lark it's funny that you say that because a friend of mine is calling it SKATEGATE lol

[doubletoe]

Hmm. . . I wonder if Kristy Swanson isn't a little miffed at him for those e-mails as well. She's gotta be just a little paranoid right now!

[Debbie S]

Hmm. . . I wonder if Kristy Swanson isn't a little miffed at him for those e-mails as well. She's gotta be just a little paranoid right now!Well, the article says the e-mails occurred during the spring and summer of 2005, which was before production on the show started, so I assume they hadn't yet met. But of course, those e-mails would have been sent when he was still married to and living with his wife. Sheesh. I would think Kristy Swanson would be paranoid given his willingness to cheat on his wife with her in the first place, but the fact that she chose to get involved with him suggests that she's not too bright, or maybe just naive. :roll:

[doubletoe]

Well, the article says the e-mails occurred during the spring and summer of 2005, which was before production on the show started, so I assume they hadn't yet met. But of course, those e-mails would have been sent when he was still married to and living with his wife. Sheesh. I would think Kristy Swanson would be paranoid given his willingness to cheat on his wife with her in the first place, but the fact that she chose to get involved with him suggests that she's not too bright, or maybe just naive. :roll:

Yep, that's what I meant, especially since she's allegedly pregnant with his baby now. . . I'd have to say it would make me a bit paranoid, LOL.

[CanuckSk8r]

can you let your spouse have her child before you knock someone else up!?!.

He did.

Kristi is due in February.

[Isk8NYC]

The USFSA asked SkateCanada for information on the suspension.

Since Lloyd is now coaching in California, guess they feel the need to ascertain the reason for the suspension.

[ice_godess]

Can the USFSA prevent Eisler from coaching in the USA? From what I can gather on this forum, there is no one body that controls the coaches in the USA. In Canada, all coaches must be certified by the National Coaching Certification Program, have a police check done by Skate Canada and pay mandatory liability insurance and membership dues. Each coach is given a Coaches Association of Canada registration number. So Canadian coaches have both a Skate Canada number and a CAC number to track their education, certification, and other information. Clubs and interested students can call and verfiy if a coach is certified, police-checked, a current member and insured. All coaches also must have valid first aid.

Some former Canadian champions refuse to coach in Canada because of the lengthy education requirement and mandatory certification process - although former world and olympic team members are allowed to fast-track.
And coaches who are not Level 2 (for Jr Nationals) or Level 3 certified (for Canadians - Jr & Sr events) are not accredited for these events - no matter who their athlete is (unless it is a new coach). This happened to the Duschenes one year at Canadians and they had to watch their dance team from the stands. Coaches who try to sneak around the certification requirement have been suspended in the past - one was suspended this year.

So, it is a good thing that Skate Canada has a regulatory control over coaches as I think this protects the clubs, skaters and parents - from unqualified and uninsured people.

There must be more to the story than inappropriate emails -

[Isk8NYC]

I don't think the USFSA can keep him from coaching, but they can keep him from being a technical specialist or other official role at comps. They can definitely deny him membership in their organization.

If the PSA revokes Eisler's membership, he can't put skaters on the ice at USFSA competitions. That would make him less attractive as a primary coach.

I think they just want to know what happened, which is a good thing.
Much better than sticking their heads in the sand, pretending they didn't know anything.

Several liability insurance policies include an optional rider to cover sexual harassment accusations. I wonder if the insurance companies would think of him as "high risk" if the accusations are made public? (So far, everything's from unidentified sources.)

[ice_godess]

I guess that's the difference between Canadian and American coaches -- Skate Canada can prevent you from coaching within their organization, which means any skating club in the country. The only other option for a uncertified coach is to work for a city or recreational program teaching learn to skate - and most of those programs have had mandatory police background checks for years.

[rickysk8]

what was published in the news papers is a bunch of bull i think. was he banned from skate canada? yes. do we know why? no. all that the papers printed about e mails is gossip. skate canada would not devuldge the reasons he was banned. it is for sure an outside source that told the press all this e mail gossip, i am sure of it. it happens all the time with the press. think about it. and none of this is disturbing at all in my opinion. he was merely banned for a year in a country where he does not live and he does not coach. they did not ban the man for life, i mean really. i am sure they were just making an example of him and skate canada is probably angry that they have lost SO many great coaches to the US. that's my thoughts or how i see things aka my 2 cents. ricky

[jp1andOnly]

ummmm..I think you're a bit off there Ricky,

Skate Canada has a coaches code of ethics. If you break a rule, you face suspension. People from Kingston have posted and said in other forums that he was not a model coach. Suspending a coach for a year is rare, if not unheard of up here in Canada. He obviously crossed the line somewhere. He must have crossed the line quite a bit to be suspended. That being said, it obviously wasnt that bad since he did just get a year suspension.

BUT

Its possible the family may press charges if it is a big thing. If that happens, he'll be banned for life. I don't think charges will be pressed since he said he talked with the family, but you never know

And he DID coach in canada up until he left his wife and went to live in Cal.

what was published in the news papers is a bunch of bull i think. was he banned from skate canada? yes. do we know why? no. all that the papers printed about e mails is gossip. skate canada would not devuldge the reasons he was banned. it is for sure an outside source that told the press all this e mail gossip, i am sure of it. it happens all the time with the press. think about it. and none of this is disturbing at all in my opinion. he was merely banned for a year in a country where he does not live and he does not coach. they did not ban the man for life, i mean really. i am sure they were just making an example of him and skate canada is probably angry that they have lost SO many great coaches to the US. that's my thoughts or how i see things aka my 2 cents. ricky

[4rkidz]

thanks goodness for the ethics within skate canada, i find it very ironic when you look the 'referees' at those 'fluff' events in the States and find it very interesting that the ref is the same former Canadian coach whose not welcome here anymore due to alledged issues while coaching in canada! So I don't think Llloyd will have too many difficulties - I'm sure the other ref/coaches who formally coached in Canada will welcome him and I for one suggest you keep him!8-)

[rickysk8]

i disagree about anyone pressing charges since this is such old news, i think a year or 2 years old. also it has also been posted that ben russensomething or lloyds old skating coach/partner was quoted in the papers and is a possible leak in the press. i would not be surprised if that guy isn't under investigation with skate canada. i also read that lloyd's ex may be a part of the whole thing, that she possibly turned in some phoney e mails, she has been very prominent in the media trying to make him look bad, so i would not be surprised. I am sure that skate canada had to suspend Lloyd because they had no other choice. but i would bet you that there will more than likely be more info that comes out or others banned other than eisler. just my sights. ricky

[Kay]

I was watching the news and shocked to see a story on Lloyd Eisler, a Canadian two-time Olympic medalist (both bronze I believe...) was banned for a year from coaching in Canada?

From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Eisler


"Eisler appeared in the 2006 FOX television program "Skating with Celebrities" in which he was partnered with actress Kristy Swanson. They reportedly began an affair while his wife Marcia was eight months pregnant with their second child. Representatives for both Eisler and Swanson have confirmed the couple are dating but deny that the affair began before the Eislers filed formal separation papers in November of 2005. Eisler and Swanson were in Kingston, Ontario in February 2006 to promote and host the annual FebFest event with Jason Priestley, Kirk Muller, Doug Gilmour, Wendel Clark, Paul Coffey, Steve Larmer, Marty McSorley, Shayne Corson, Mark Napier, and Deanna Johnston of Rock Star: INXS. His wife Marcia has resumed using her maiden name and also changed their children's names to her maiden name as well. Kristy Swanson and Lloyd Eisler are expecting a child together due on Valentine's Day 2007."

and there's also an article on CTV: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061119/lloyd_eisler_061119/20061119?hub=TopStories


It is so upsetting to see a Canadian figure skating icon behave so inappropriately and tarnish his formerly good standing reputation....

[Isk8NYC]

The last update I saw on this was on the Globe and Mail site. (Cached story (http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&fr=slv8-wave&p=santee+ban+psa+eisler&u=www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/GIS.Servlets.HTMLTemplate%3Ftf%3Dtgam/search/tgam/SearchFullStory.html%26cf%3Dtgam/search/tgam/SearchFullStory.cfg%26configFileLoc%3Dtgam/config%26encoded_keywords%3Dbuffy%26option%3D%26st art_row%3D3%26current_row%3D3%26start_row_offset1% 3D+&w=santee+ban+psa+eisler&d=TnoH7ZIFNyW5&icp=1&.intl=us) - scroll down a bit)

In it, the reporter states:

Skate Canada told the PSA of its ban of Eisler, pending the appeal, but gave no reasons, PSA executive director Jimmy Santee said yesterday. "We do not at this time have a reciprocal agreement with Skate Canada," he said. If Eisler were to be banned in the United States, someone would have to file a grievance against him with the association or with the U.S. Figure Skating Association, which has a reciprocal agreement with the PSA.