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NoVa Sk8r
05-04-2006, 09:17 PM
ISU Communication 1386 (http://www.isu.org/vsite/vcontent/content/transnews/0,10869,4844-128590-19728-18885-254015-3787-4771-layout46-129898-news-item,00.html)

Interesting note about judging concerning the random selection process and anonymity of judges' scores--from Russia. 8O

Check out page 62:

175. RUSSIA
Delete the part concerning the random draw of the judges whose scores are used to form the result.
Reason: The secret selection of Judges contradicts the ISU Judging System in which there is no result of a single Judge and all decisions are taken collectively; the enlargement of the number of Judges whose scores are used for evaluation of performances will lead to more objective judging; the cancellation of the secret selection of Judges will stop discussions on possible cheating because of the non-transparent selection procedure.

176. RUSSIA
Delete the part concerning the anonymity of the Judges (so in total delete the whole paragraph).
Reason: Judging is a public process and the scores of each Judges must be open for evaluation; the cancellation of the Judges’ anonymity will help to better assess their work; with the current anonymous procedure, if the scores of a Judge are “inside the corridor”, there are no means to assess this Judge’s work even in cases of serious errors and/or bias.

Call me a cynic, but I feel as if the Russian federation is doing this not for honorable reasons, but more to see how its judges are scoring the events! (Also, keeping it anonymous might prevent judges from being "bought off" since the buyer won't know if the judge is delivering.)

I like #177, the proposal is to cancel the QR World and Jr. World championships. ("These Championships are too long, too expensive, too difficult for the participants and boring [emphasis added :P ] for the audience." This reasoning is repeated in #178, where the phrase "sore tiresome" is used. :lol: )

Now, props to China on its proposal for 2 separate panels for TCS ande PCS scores (but maybe it would be even better to just pare down the PCS marks to only 3 areas).
Item #179:
Panel of judges
b) composed of 2 judge panels with 6 judges in each panel. Panel A will enter only GOEs (in technical score); Panel B will enter only program component scores (PCS). In free skating, Panel A will enter only PCS, while Panel B will enter only GOEs.
Reason:
1) Currently, the judges are busy with entering 2 kinds of scores with very different natures.
2) The 2 panels exchange in Short Program and Free Skating to avoid possible national bias.
3) 2 judge panels will greatly shorten the judging time, thus shorten the waiting time of the skaters, TV and Audience.

sceptique
06-22-2006, 10:52 AM
A few comments after my first experience with NJS process thanks to NISA training for volunteer results officials:
- Why bribe judges if you can bribe tech panel? It's up to them to decide the number of rotations in a jump or level for a spin, and the decision can be very subjective ("I didn't see her change the edge on the spin", "it wasn't a difficult entry").
- Spliting judge panels in two won't save much time. It's the tech panel who are often a bottleneck as they discuss the elements. Judges can enter PCS while waiting for the elements to be authorised by the techs.

Schmeck
06-22-2006, 01:48 PM
Nova Sk8r, that's exactly the way I feel about the Russian proposal. They want to make sure that their judges are scoring the way they've been instructed to :roll: .

I'm waiting to hear how the synchro stuff goes - especially the 16 on ice, 20 member limit for junior and senior teams.