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flippet

01-18-2006, 10:15 PM

Are you kidding me? I loved it!! :D

I was SO impressed with Bruce Jenner. After seeing how shaky he was in the practices, I was really kind of scared for him. But he did SO well! He had a lovely back spiral, and an awesome waltz jump! I really see some potential there!

If Debbie Gibson really doesn't have any experience, she did pretty well, too. I thought her (and Kurt's) number was very nicely choreographed to highlight the strengths, and disguise the weaknesses. And, it was cute. :)

Jillian Barbarie obviously had some prior experience...that spin was far too good for a beginner. Plus, she was throwing herself so hard into an axel attempt in practice...she almost made it. That said....her program was far too heavy on the spirals and gliding/being pulled moves. If she's got the goods, I want to really see them. She was relying far too much on John.

Todd Bridges did better than I thought he would...I expected a disaster, but he tried really hard, which counts for so much. And Jenni really can't dance, can she? I'm sure they'll do better next week.

Dave, Dave, Dave. You're gonna miss those toepicks, I guarantee it. Typical hockey skater. :P Not bad on the hockey drill moves, but considering how much hockey experience he has, I was surprised at just how shaky he seemed on the figure skates. I guess I expected a better stance or something.

Kristy and Lloyd....hmm. She's not bad, has some comfort out there...has obviously skated before. Not sure why it didn't click for me this week, but we'll see what next week shows for them. Maybe it was Lloyd that was bugging me, don't know.

All in all, I was very impressed with what they all pulled off in only a month.

One question, though....were they breaking in new skates during that time, too? Oy vey, how tough would that be? I really hope they had time to do some initial break-in (like at home or something) before diving directly into training.

sk8er1964

01-18-2006, 10:58 PM

I enjoyed it. :)

dietcoke

01-18-2006, 11:13 PM

NoVa Sk8r

01-18-2006, 11:45 PM

It was a lot of fun. I didn't know that John Nicks was gonna be a judge (the Simon Cowell judge as it were).

And hey, Bruce Jenner has better crossovers than me! :oops: :P

Mercedeslove

01-18-2006, 11:46 PM

Bruce Jenner < Me

dbny

01-19-2006, 12:08 AM

I Thought it was fun, but I think all the celebs should be starting from ground zero (Dave & Jillian both have some prior skating experience.) That just seems not quite fair to the others.

ITA. I thought it was very unfair, and I actually enjoyed watching the inexperienced ones more. It was more impressive to see Bruce Jenner do two waltz jumps than it was to see Jillian Barberie's scratch spin. Being a basic skills coach, I know how hard it is for adults to learn supposedly simple skills like F and B crossovers, so those wowed me too.

bems

01-19-2006, 12:57 AM

I had great expectations for this show but based on the placement of
Lloyd and Kristy in last place it appears the fix is in.

By putting this great performance last, the panel of John Nicks, Dorothy Hamill and Mark Lund have shown their bias. At least two of the teams Todd and Jenni and Dave and Nancy are suspect. Todd and Jenni did the usual shake your booty program which was not impressive. And Dave shame on you for filing of your toe pics you should be disqualified. Any hockey jock could have done what you did!

John and Jillian were obvious firsts but second spot and fifth indicate that the judges fudged the presentation mark!

In an Olympic year full of controversy, I am not interested in witnessing any more degradation of the sport by watching this tripe. Light, mindless, fluffy entertainment it is skating it is not!

Isk8NYC

01-19-2006, 07:10 AM

I liked it! The whole show seemed to be done with a "let's have fun" approach. I would think it would inspire adult beginners.

However, it's not a level playing field in terms of skills. Between the celebrities with pre-existing skating skills and the mix of single and pairs skaters, the teams have different advantages that I don't think are evenly mixed.

I think it's funny that they all refer to John Nicks as "Sir John." So formal, I wonder if that's at his request? It's true that he really never smiles! The IFS guy waffles between being tough and kind with his scores. Dorothy's just herself, and she has kindness and diplomacy.

Last catty point: Tai's skating with a celebrity, while her old partner (Randy) is coaching a different team. Hmmm. Who called who?

starskate6.0

01-19-2006, 07:43 AM

Hi Gang

Not being much for TV but I had to see this.. :lol: The Blond had the experience there is no dought and that was a little unfair to the others. I took the time to look close at the skates. Fox did not spend the bucks on this at all . They look like Bronze level boots with a cheap blade, but I don't think most of them could handle a great boot anyway. It might be stiffer than they are.

"The Hocky Dude" What is he thinking ?? :?? I see a face plant coming up the minute he tries anything other than a walts jump . You can land flat and get away with it but the minute he leans forward his nose is going to meet the ice faster than he can blink..

My only hope is that Adults will look at this and maybe think about Adult skating for them selves and we could have more skaters in our ranks. I was waiting for Scott to mention somthing about that but I guess this is Fox not the USFS. :roll:

garyc254

01-19-2006, 08:32 AM

I thought it was cute, but a little lame. Not worth watching the rest of the series.

I think it would have been better with more of their training video and less of the "kiss & cry".

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BarbraM

01-19-2006, 09:43 AM

Did anyone watch this last night? I actually enjoyed it. It was hillarious watching Jenny Meno and Todd Bridges in practice.

I think John Zimmerman and Jillian Barberie did pretty good together.

flo

01-19-2006, 09:49 AM

Yes,
It was fun, but the partner with Zimmerman obviously skated as a kid. She was trying an axel. No surprise that they were first. TV land can now join the USFSA adult program in not getting that having learned to skate as a kid is different than starting as an adult.

The other pairs were more fun to watch.

dbny

01-19-2006, 09:59 AM

I had great expectations for this show but based on the placement of
Lloyd and Kristy in last place it appears the fix is in.

Well, it is FOX, after all. What else could we expect from them?

dbny

01-19-2006, 10:08 AM

sue123

01-19-2006, 10:13 AM

I thought it was incredibly unfair for them to have Jillian Barberie skate. She even said she skated as a kid. It was fast, but she said it. When Dorothy Hamill was talking to them, she said something along the lines of "You were my idol when I skated as a kid to a teenager. I even had your haircut." So much for no skating experience.

Same with Dave Coulier. He took off his toe picks! He ruined a good pair of blades by taking off the toe picks!

I loved Todd Bridges though. I thought he was hilarious. And Jenny Bridges trying to dance.

Debbie S

01-19-2006, 10:22 AM

Terri C

01-19-2006, 10:40 AM

My only hope is that Adults will look at this and maybe think about Adult skating for them selves and we could have more skaters in our ranks. I was waiting for Scott to mention somthing about that but I guess this is Fox not the USFS. :roll:

Actually, Mark Lund did make the comment about the first time ever waltz jump being scary for adult skaters in reference to Bruce Jenner doing two waltz jumps in a row!

dbny

01-19-2006, 11:22 AM

Oh, rats! I missed it! I knew there was something last night I was supposed to watch on TV, but I forgot what it was and assumed I was just thinking of Sasha on The Tonight Show (I did watch that, btw).

Must remember for next week! :oops:

I also saw Sasha on The Tonight Show. It was the first time I've seen her off ice that I liked her. She seemed very grounded and not spoiled at all, as opposed to most of the vignettes I've seen.

I loved Todd Bridges though. I thought he was hilarious. And Jenny Bridges trying to dance.

I liked him too. I noticed that he was doing half swizzles instead of B crossovers, but he did them pretty smoothly. He's got presence and guts!

I think you meant "Jenny Meno", right?

Isk8NYC

01-19-2006, 12:18 PM

My only hope is that Adults will look at this and maybe think about Adult skating for themselves and we could have more skaters in our ranks. I was waiting for Scott to mention something about that but I guess this is Fox not the USFS. :roll:

If you look at the show's website (http://www.fox.com/skating/), it directs you to the "WeSkate (http://www.weskate.org/weskate/index.cfm)" program for information on lessons, which is an Ice Skating Institute (ISI) promotion. As I would expect, the WeSkate website isn't up as yet, but you can go to the ISI (http://www.skateisi.com/)website. (Sorry, couldn't resist: they're always a day late and a dollar short with everything.)

[Edited to add:]

Cool! They have a web board (http://forums.fox.com/foxskating/start)for the show! And the posters are campaigning to disqualify Jillian based on her unfair advantage. Love it!

jazzpants

01-19-2006, 12:34 PM

BOOO HSSS to Dave for filing off the toepicks!!! Then I will say for the record that the blades he had were a bit too big for a beginning FS skating. (Heck, even mine didn't have that gigantic a toe pick. Other than that, not bad for a hockey guy.

Not fair pairing someone who skated as a teenager (Jillian) with a Nationals pairs skater (John.) Anyone that gets paired up with JZ will easily boost up their presentation scores!!! :twisted: :P (Keep trying for that axel, Jillian!!!)

Not bad for an old guy who happens to be an Olympian gold medalist!!! In fact, some of his basics looks better than mine. :oops: :P (Who's their coach??? That person did a great job on him!) And KUDOS to Mark Lund for making the point about that it's hard for an adult skater to learn how to do two waltz jumps in a row in a month.

And yup, I already see the bias for Lloyd and Kristi. The technical scores are sorta fudged too. I doubt they're using CoP. Todd and Jenni better step it up next week and do something different than "Wild Wild West." (Not that I don't like it, mind you. I want to do that program too!!!) But I don't want to see them eliminated next week.

My prediction for who gets eliminated next week: Todd and Jenni (Sorry, guys! If you don't step it up, I see you guys getting fried next week...)
My prediction for who wins this event: No brainer...John and Jillian!

Advice for the show... promote adult skating!!! And I would love to put those who think that "skating is fufu and isn't a sport" on a pair of skates and put them on the ice. We'll see how "fufu" you look when you're out there!!! MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :twisted:

sue123

01-19-2006, 12:58 PM

I think you meant "Jenny Meno", right?

Woops, yea. I think my brain must not have caught up with my typing. :oops:

icedancer2

01-19-2006, 01:44 PM

I enjoyed watching the true beginners, as they did some pretty amazing things, such as F and B crossovers, and Bruce Jenner's waltz jumps were awesome. I did not enjoy seeing a former figure skater and a hockey player compete against beginners. It's FOX, the fix is in.

I was also really impressed with the true beginners and Bruce Jenner was my favorite overall -- those waltz jumps were awesome and I also thought Tai was wonderful and very sweet -- I loved the side-by-side two-foot spins, where she timed hers to match his.

I also didn't like the fact that some of them were ex-skaters. That Collier guy -- we have had ex-hockey players skate with all of the picks cut off and they can skate great -- I've even seen people take dances and Moves tests with no picks -- anyway, taking off the picks and having a hockey background gave him an unfair advantage. He should have kept the picks.

And that girl who had skating background -- how unfair!! Of course she could spin!

But it was a fun show and I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. :lol:

Isk8NYC

01-19-2006, 01:49 PM

In a way, the show also promoted good sportsmanship. C'mon: Todd Bridges went out there and did his best. That took courage and showed he wasn't a quitter, he wasn't ashamed, and he could take criticism very good-naturedly.

The training videos weren't as well-behaved, but the "show" portions had no whiners or cry babies. Give them credit for that!

Schmeck

01-19-2006, 01:56 PM

I didn't know Nicks had such a large pole up his bottom all the time...

flippet

01-19-2006, 02:00 PM

ITA. I thought it was very unfair, and I actually enjoyed watching the inexperienced ones more. It was more impressive to see Bruce Jenner do two waltz jumps than it was to see Jillian Barberie's scratch spin. Being a basic skills coach, I know how hard it is for adults to learn supposedly simple skills like F and B crossovers, so those wowed me too.

You know, though, it seemed to me that the judges were taking this into account, at least a little bit. I felt that to a degree, the teams/celebs were being judged against their own potential, not necessarily strictly against each other. The difficulty is that there are two 'audiences' for this show--people who skate, who understand just how difficult it all is, given the time constraints, and then people who don't skate at all, who wouldn't understand that the 'best spin' out there, might not really be deserving of the highest mark (because it took 1/10th or less of the effort that maybe 'simple' back crossovers took for a true beginner like Bruce or Todd). It's hard to please both groups with the scoring.

Just to get technical, what I loved most about Bruce's jumps was that not only did he get good height, but he really seemed to trust and commit to the change in direction. In my observation, this is one of the hardest things to get adult beginners to do--so often they want to torque the lower body around, without moving the upper body, because they find it hard to just trust that even if they can't see the ice, they're still going to land just fine. BRAVO, Bruce! :D :D :bow::bow:

I really hope the skaters let the celebs know that a lot of the studio audience was probably made up of skaters, who understand the difficulty, so they'd know that any applause they got was sincere. I know I was really applauding at home!

flippet

01-19-2006, 02:03 PM

I didn't know Nicks had such a large pole up his bottom all the time...

I think that's a little 'overacted' for the cameras. It is Fox, after all, and there has to be 'controversy' to spice the pot, I guess. Apparently all of these shows feel the need to have their own Simon.

dietcoke

01-19-2006, 02:27 PM

jazzpants

01-19-2006, 02:28 PM

You know... I see John Nicks as a good "Simon" and Hamill as a good "Paula." But I JUST CAN'T see Mark Lund say "YO, DAWG!!!" :lol: :twisted:

doubletoe

01-19-2006, 06:09 PM

I think that's a little 'overacted' for the cameras. It is Fox, after all, and there has to be 'controversy' to spice the pot, I guess. Apparently all of these shows feel the need to have their own Simon.

I've been around John Nicks before and I can tell you he is definitely following the direction of the show's producer/director in being the "Simon Cowell character." Besides, he lightened up later in the show. . .

miraclegro

01-19-2006, 06:12 PM

I agree with a lot of you all. I was glad to read your feedback because i was wondering about all of the honesty of the newby's "never skating before" or at least that's what i thought Scott H. said.

Bruce was the oldest, and should get most credit. As good as i am at 45, i know muscles at 45 aren't like those of 25 and 35 even! He gets the most credit, i was proudest of him. I still think Tai B. is so beautiful. They really have a good chemistry.

And Jillian was doing back 3's and working on an axel. Scott said these individuals were starting from ground zero. Not fair. And the pairs folks had an advantage that the singles did not.

It was fun to watch, though.

2boysmom

01-19-2006, 07:03 PM

I thought Bruce Jenner did great with those jumps.

I do think it is unfair that some of them have previous skating experience. Plus, all of them but Kurt are pairs skaters to begin with. I mean Nancy is mostly known for singles but she did do pairs at one time. So that part is unfair to Kurt's team.

I actually liked Todd and Jenny for entertainment value. I think Todd did a great job considering he was wearing all those pads at the beginning.

I think Lloyd's team will be the first gone. I think that for no skating experience as a rule, that Tai and Bruce would be in first place. I really enjoyed Nancy Kerrigan too, though. I know Dave had hockey experience but Nancy looked like she was really having fun. Sometimes when she was skating as an amateur I didn't get that impression.

I'll watch it again, but if I miss it wouldn't be the end of the world. I am curious to see how that other skating show premiering in March will stand up to this.

flippet

01-19-2006, 07:14 PM

I am curious to see how that other skating show premiering in March will stand up to this.

Other show? What's that?

kittie067

01-19-2006, 07:37 PM

I had fun watching it1
Although some of it was lame, and I thought it wasnt fair that some of the celebs had prior figure skating knowledge!

But hey its figure skating, and I'm desperate!(sad I know)

~kittie :frus:

mikawendy

01-19-2006, 10:38 PM

I did not enjoy seeing a former figure skater and a hockey player compete against beginners. It's FOX, the fix is in.

And this from the network that makes claims about fair and balanced..... ;)

VegasGirl

01-19-2006, 11:04 PM

jazzpants

01-20-2006, 12:35 AM

Another thing I just thought that's awfully suspicious about this show... Jillian works for FOX. This show is on FOX!!! Hmmmm? (You do the rest of the math... ;) )

bems

01-20-2006, 02:01 AM

Having been involved with the sport for twenty years, while the fluff was delightful...

After Salt Lake 2002, the television skating audience decreased by half and the enrollment of new skaters in the sport has decreased by a third.

Keep it a real sport!

One way to have done this would have been to have a legitimate judging panel of qualified judges such as Jane Doe, John Smith and Mrs Jones from the Mid-West. This would have made it reality TV instead of boring us with the self serving has beens who are currently on the panel.

Forget the Fox Fantasy and watch the Olympics on NBC!

VegasGirl

01-20-2006, 09:25 AM

Forget the Fox Fantasy and watch the Olympics on NBC!

Will do, that is watch the Olympics... well, provided it's not on at ungodly hours! I'll probably still watch "Celebrity Skate" as well, just for the humor of it all. :lol:

Mercedeslove

01-20-2006, 02:20 PM

I'm definitely going to continue watching. Bruce Jenner < Life! How can I miss that! I love this man (non-sexually of course) but yes, it's fun. Refreshing, and sure beats American Idol.

jazzpants

01-20-2006, 02:42 PM

Oh, and what's up with Jillian's boobs almost pooping out? I guess it's meant to be PG-13 entertainment at that... :roll:Almost??? It's practically SPILLING OUT!!! One false move and it's "cable." :roll: (Borrowing the line from Scott H, of course.) ;)

Isk8NYC

01-20-2006, 03:50 PM

Oh, and what's up with Jillian's boobs almost pooping out? I guess it's meant to be PG-13 entertainment at that... :roll:

I think you meant poPping, not poOping, but I liked the typo better! I noticed that, too and thought "this is channel 5?" Too bad Peggy Fleming wasn't one of the judges ...

VegasGirl

01-20-2006, 06:25 PM

Oops, ofcourse it was meant to say "popping" :redface: but you're right "pooping" kinda fits even better. :lol:

Sk8pdx

01-20-2006, 11:21 PM

Almost??? It's practically SPILLING OUT!!! One false move and it's "cable." :roll: (Borrowing the line from Scott H, of course.) ;)

:lol: :lol: :lol: (I am laughing so hard vegasgirl and jazzpants.)

I was delighted by the show. And even more entertained by this thread.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Snowflake3939

01-21-2006, 10:58 AM

I'll watch it again, but if I miss it wouldn't be the end of the world. I am curious to see how that other skating show premiering in March will stand up to this.

You mean "Worlds";)

2boysmom

01-21-2006, 12:07 PM

No, Snowflake, I do not mean World's.

I mean "Skatings Next Star". There is a thread on it but I forgot where.

2boysmom

01-21-2006, 12:13 PM

http://www.ifsmagazine.com/archive/news/2006/press001.html

There you go. Hopefully that will work.

kayskate

01-21-2006, 12:59 PM

Another thing I just thought that's awfully suspicious about this show... Jillian works for FOX. This show is on FOX!!! Hmmmm? (You do the rest of the math... ;) )

My guess: She does an axel as a grand finale for the win.
IMO, it is not fair, but it reminds me of adult skating right down to the person who skated as a child is beating the adult-trained skaters. Not a competitor myself, but have been skating as an adult for long enough to know the advantage ppl who skated as children have over the rest of us. In fact, I was enjoying the show until she came on. It destroyed the whole premise.

Kay

flippet

01-23-2006, 08:14 PM

Woo-Hoo!! I loved it again tonight. And YESSSSSS....we have another 'victim' of AOSS...Adult Onset Skating Syndrome! Welcome to the club, Deborah! :D :D :D

It's just so nice to see her determination, and I'm so glad she and Kurt weren't eliminated. I'm sure she's going to improve each week, and they both know how to work it to be very entertaining. They're my faves right after Tai and Bruce...who are on top of my list just because I admire Bruce's gutsiness so much. He's really working hard, and it shows. :bow:

Bummer Todd had to go...he was working pretty hard, too. I would rather have seen Dave go, but then, it will be interesting to see how he continues to do without those picks. :twisted: For being a hockey skater, he's sure shaky out there. I can't figure out why, unless it's because he's dealing with brand-new boots, which are taller than hockey skates, and I bet he's got them laced all the way to the top, thus taking away a lot of the knee bend he needs.

Jillian...eh. I'd appreciate her more if she was skating against her own level. I'd also be interested to know what level she skated at previously.

dbny

01-23-2006, 08:20 PM

Woo-Hoo!! I loved it again tonight.

:x That means I missed it! When is it on, anyway? I was looking forward to the next one.

mikawendy

01-23-2006, 08:37 PM

:x That means I missed it! When is it on, anyway? I was looking forward to the next one.

In my area, it's on Monday nights 8:00-9:00 eastern time. (The first week's episode had been in a different time slot.) I've missed the first 2 episodes as I was doing work to prepare my husband's bookkeeping for tax time, plus Antiques Roadshow (the show he watches regularly) is on at the same time as Skating with Celebrities. I just made him put up with ALL of the Nationals broadcasts on ESPN2, so I woulda felt a tad guilty making him mis his show tonight....

But if he ever dozes off in the middle of the Roadshow, I'm totally flipping channels.... ;)

dbny

01-23-2006, 10:09 PM

In my area, it's on Monday nights 8:00-9:00 eastern time. (The first week's episode had been in a different time slot.)

Well that explains it. Thanks. I usually don't get home on Mondays until almost 8, and then I just want to collapse. I'll put it on my calendar for next week and have a tape ready.

jazzpants

01-24-2006, 02:40 AM

Bummer Todd had to go...he was working pretty hard, too. I would rather have seen Dave go, but then, it will be interesting to see how he continues to do without those picks. :twisted: For being a hockey skater, he's sure shaky out there. I can't figure out why, unless it's because he's dealing with brand-new boots, which are taller than hockey skates, and I bet he's got them laced all the way to the top, thus taking away a lot of the knee bend he needs.I called it last week (http://www.skatingforums.com/showthread.php?p=255757#post255757) that Todd and Jenni Meno was gonna go!!! So sad too!!! He had some good lifts, but he just isn't steady on his feet!!! Even if he didn't fall, I still think the team would have ended up going home.

So glad to see Kristi and Lloyd pull themselves out of the gutter. And BOY did they improve!!! WOO HOO!!! :bow:

Where is Dave and Nancy's footwork? I was watching for it and it wasn't there. (And Mr. Nick's... you're asking a guy's guy to have a "feminine side???" What do you think he is? Gay??? 8O The guy's a hockey skater!!!)

I will hold my call that Jillian and John are gonna win this one, but I see from the footwork that Kristi has potential and it's quite possible that Kristi can beat her, particular if Jillian's groin pull gives her trouble.

No, I don't think that Bruce will be in the hot seat yet. He's very determined and I like that spirit and fire! He has all the fixin's of an AOSS skater! :bow:

Who's at the bottom? I think it's now between Dave/Nancy and Kurt/Deborah. If next week's elements requires a side-by-side jump, Dave/Nancy will be the next to go. There's no way Dave can do a jump w/o a toe pick, even a waltz jump would be hard!!! Even if there wasn't an issue with jumps being a requirement, I think I see an issue with Dave as far as his work ethics are concerned. I see him fooling around too much and just want to be his own star, rather than work with Nancy on the TWO OF THEM being skating stars. He's lucky though that he has quick feet. He should be able to outskate the wrath of the judges... for a while. :twisted:

If side-by-side jumps are not a requirement for next week, I would say that (and I'll put my vote on) Kurt and Deborah being the next to go! Sorry, Deborah, but you really need footwork to stay alive!!! It's as simple as that!

2boysmom

01-24-2006, 08:54 AM

Rats! I forgot that it was on. Could someone please do a little recap perhaps? What was the "skill" for this week? Last week it was a spin. What type of number did each group do? They had the movie theme the week before. I am sorry to see Todd and Jenny gone. I thought Todd was really trying hard. Thanks in advance for any info!

flippet

01-24-2006, 09:57 AM

Where is Dave and Nancy's footwork? I was watching for it and it wasn't there.
I agree...I really don't think they had the requirements down, and I didn't see much improvement.

No, I don't think that Bruce will be in the hot seat yet. He's very determined and I like that spirit and fire! He has all the fixin's of an AOSS skater! :bow:
YAAY! I totally agree.

Even if there wasn't an issue with jumps being a requirement, I think I see an issue with Dave as far as his work ethics are concerned. I see him fooling around too much and just want to be his own star, rather than work with Nancy on the TWO OF THEM being skating stars.
Again, I agree. That's why I wouldn't have been too sorry to see him go. He's not focused enough, like he's really just doing this until it's over, big deal, whoop-de-doo.

If side-by-side jumps are not a requirement for next week, I would say that (and I'll put my vote on) Kurt and Deborah being the next to go! Sorry, Deborah, but you really need footwork to stay alive!!! It's as simple as that!
Well, from the clip from next week, the way Deborah says that she'll continue with skating because she loves it, it does sound like it's a farewell. But I hope I'm wrong, because she and Kurt bring some real showmanship to the competition, even if her footwork does need some improvement. The show will definitely lose something if they go. They've done really well at choreographing to the strengths to disguise the weaknesses. And I'm always a supporter of someone who seems to really enjoy what they're doing.

Something that occurred to me (duh!) is that the teams with the male celebs/female skaters are at a real disadvantage. The teams with the male skaters can just pick the girls up and swing them around--and it looks fantastic, but really, all the girl has to do is hang on. The other teams can't really do that, it's much more dangerous. So they don't appear to be as good. It's a bummer, because the average Joe won't understand, and will want the 'good looking' team to win. Jillian/John, hope you enjoy first. (Not to knock Jillian...I do appreciate her hard work, but it's just not fair against the other competitors.)

What was the "skill" for this week? Last week it was a spin. What type of number did each group do? They had the movie theme the week before.

The skill was footwork, plus a spin. The 'theme' was the 70's, so 70's music, and costumes.

icedancer2

01-24-2006, 10:45 AM

Well, from the clip from next week, the way Deborah says that she'll continue with skating because she loves it, it does sound like it's a farewell. But I hope I'm wrong, because she and Kurt bring some real showmanship to the competition, even if her footwork does need some improvement. The show will definitely lose something if they go. They've done really well at choreographing to the strengths to disguise the weaknesses. And I'm always a supporter of someone who seems to really enjoy what they're doing.

It was great to see them out there, but Kurt was just so darn cute it was hard to keep your eyes off of him! My husband thought he was "beyond cute" -- whatever that means!!:halo:

Mel On Ice

01-24-2006, 12:57 PM

I thought Todd sounded pretty disappointed in the results. There's a reason it is the kiss n cry!

sue123

01-24-2006, 01:51 PM

jazzpants

01-24-2006, 02:11 PM

I'd be raelly sad if Kurt and Deborah (sp?) leave next week. Kurt is one of my favorite skaters, and even if their program wasn't as technically difficult, they have a lot of showmanship. I just feel bad for him because he's never skated pairs, whereas someone like John Zimmerman is an awesome pairs skater, and strong, and I don't think he's as old as the other skaters. I would be very very upset if Kurt leaves.Me too!!! But... *sigh* the problem is that if Deborah continues with the entertaining skate thing and just primps and props her way thru things, next week may be a major problem... particularly if JUMPS is the theme next week. (And, no I think the judges are going to insist at some point that you just can't go by doing pretty lifts.)

Thinking about it... if jumps was a requirement, I think Dave may still be able to get by on the jump requirement if he just does a waltz jump... Of course, it's a bit hard w/o the toe pick though, but it can be done. (I've seen a skater who does axels on his hockey skates... it can be done!!!) But... it really depends on how strong Dave's skating edges are.

My original prediction still stands... but I do see Dave and Nancy going home REAL soon...if not next week!!! :twisted:

Vicki

01-24-2006, 03:52 PM

It was great to see them out there, but Kurt was just so darn cute it was hard to keep your eyes off of him! My husband thought he was "beyond cute" -- whatever that means!!:halo:

I loved Scott's comment that he "really, really wants Kurt's hair!"

dbny

01-24-2006, 04:32 PM

I'd be raelly sad if Kurt and Deborah (sp?) leave next week. Kurt is one of my favorite skaters,

Kurt is my very favorite skater, and the only reason I watched the show.

lskater

01-24-2006, 06:35 PM

OK, so now we're all finally in agreement that having started as a kid is WAY different than having started as an adult?

I said this a long time ago and basically got blasted for being a poor sport and not skating "just for the fun of skating". That I should feel "more challenged" and motivated to skate even more.

At that point, I stopped posting because my view is different. I LOVE to compete but only if I think I'm actually being competitive. It's not fun at all to skate after somebody who has years more experience than I do, cause I think it makes me look pretty silly going out on the ice after somebody who has done brackets, jump spins, etc. in their program (I'm a bronze skater). I want to be competitive against people at my level. I think this is similar to Jillian on "Skating with Celebrities". A majority of the emails coming in here and the "SWC" website are complaining about Jill being a child-skater. So...where are all the people who complained earlier and called me a bad-sport for wanting a fair playing level?????

If we can all agree that there's a problem, maybe we can start working on a solution rather than pretending that a problem doesn't exist.....

sk8er1964

01-24-2006, 09:55 PM

Thinking about it... if jumps was a requirement, I think Dave may still be able to get by on the jump requirement if he just does a waltz jump... Of course, it's a bit hard w/o the toe pick though, but it can be done. (I've seen a skater who does axels on his hockey skates... it can be done!!!) But... it really depends on how strong Dave's skating edges are.

My son can do a toe loop on hockey skates. Go figure.

Terri C

01-25-2006, 08:11 AM

Soon enough, the episode will come where the judges tell Jillian
"There's a term for skaters like you and it's called sandbagging!"

MQSeries

01-25-2006, 11:31 AM

Soon enough, the episode will come where the judges tell Jillian
"There's a term for skaters like you and it's called sandbagging!"

To be fair to Jillian, she was probably asked to be on the show. The producers are aware of her skating background, so if they had thought it was an unfair advantage then they shouldn't have invited her. Sandbagging is when someone sneakily compete at a lower level to win. I don't feel there's anything sneaky about Jillian competing in this event. She didn't hide her skating background. I'm very impressed by what she has shown so far.

I'm very impressed and jealous that Bruce Jenner hit the camel spin 2 for 2 in that intro piece that they played. Darn. I have the most difficult time getting that hook for that spin, and here come Bruce at age 60 something getting up on the camel spin as if it was nothing.

MQSeries

01-25-2006, 11:32 AM

My son can do a toe loop on hockey skates. Go figure.

But can every hockey skaters do a toe loop? Isn't that like saying "I can do a axel so why can't you?"

Spider68

01-25-2006, 11:46 AM

I was sorry to see Todd and Jenni go. Even though Todd isn't the most graceful skater out there - he seemed the most sincere. And I give BIG kudos to Jenni for being gutsy and trusting to let Todd lift her up on the ice - knowing he is such a klutz!

icedancer2

01-25-2006, 11:57 AM

To be fair to Jillian, she was probably asked to be on the show. The producers are aware of her skating background, so if they had thought it was an unfair advantage then they shouldn't have invited her. Sandbagging is when someone sneakily compete at a lower level to win. I don't feel there's anything sneaky about Jillian competing in this event. She didn't hide her skating background. I'm very impressed by what she has shown so far.

It's true that most of the discussion surrounding the launch of this show when we first heard about it was, "How are they going to do that! Skating is so Hard!! They better get some people with some skating skills!!" -- something like that -- I didn't pay too much attention, but that was the gist of it.

So they found a couple of people with some skating background who were willing to do the show.

But now that it's actually airing, I find myself, like most of you, feeling that somehow Jillian shouldn't be there, has an advantage, etc., and really really pulling for the Bruce Jenners and Debbie Gibsons of the competition to do well.

Well, I guess they got me...8O

sk8er1964

01-25-2006, 01:08 PM

But can every hockey skaters do a toe loop? Isn't that like saying "I can do a axel so why can't you?"

Meow, MQ.

Someone mentioned Dave would have problems when they came to jumping, because he had filed off his toepicks. My son can do a toe jump in hockey skates, proving that it is possible to jump without toepicks.

That's all. Please get over it.

MQSeries

01-25-2006, 02:22 PM

Meow, MQ.

Someone mentioned Dave would have problems when they came to jumping, because he had filed off his toepicks. My son can do a toe jump in hockey skates, proving that it is possible to jump without toepicks.

That's all. Please get over it.

I made one response and suddenly I'm the one that need to "get over it"? Yeah, take your own advice. That's all.

JumpinBug

01-26-2006, 01:16 AM

But can every hockey skaters do a toe loop? Isn't that like saying "I can do a axel so why can't you?"

Actually, all the hockey kids that I teach can do waltz jumps. A few can do toe loops, and most can do an ugly bunny hop. Salchows can be done too, but are usually not nice to look at.

It just requires more work and a bit of patience.

Isk8NYC

01-26-2006, 10:49 AM

jazzpants

01-26-2006, 11:57 AM

I think Dave filed off the bottom picks, so he should be able to handle a toe loop. The other points, which are used for toe jumps, are still there. I know about the bunny hops and waltz jumps on hockey skates, but not a toe loop. Maybe the blade/support forms a bit of a front joint to give them that toe takeoff? Otherwise, it's not really a toe loop, but I wouldn't know what to call it. (No pun intended)I thought he just filed off all the toe picks, not just the bottom one! (Or at least that's what Nancy was whispering to Randy on that clip.) If he did file just the bottom one, then that's not too bad. (I saw the toe pick on that boot that they showed on TV and they were HUGE!!!)

Should be interesting next week when they go over how Dave's going to find his "feminine side." (Want to borrow a fake eyelash, Dave?) :lol: :twisted:

Tessie

01-26-2006, 07:59 PM

dang .:frus: ..I keep missing it! Any Bostonians know what night it is on?!

jazzpants

01-26-2006, 08:36 PM

dang .:frus: ..I keep missing it! Any Bostonians know what night it is on?!It should be on your FOX channel station... Monday nights @ 7pm/Central time. 8pm everywhere else. :)

VegasGirl

01-27-2006, 01:21 PM

Should I tell you who wins?

VegasGirl

01-27-2006, 01:25 PM

Salchows can be done too, ...

Salchows should be able to be done since take-off is not on the toe-pick any way...

sk8er1964

01-27-2006, 02:28 PM

Should I tell you who wins?

NO!

(Did I yell loud enough? ;) )

Vicki

01-27-2006, 03:05 PM

Should I tell you who wins?

I already know! 8O

flippet

01-27-2006, 08:36 PM

Should I tell you who wins?

Again, NO!!

Please, no spoilers in this thread. Most of us want to enjoy it as it's shown. If anyone wants to know, they can PM you.

dbny

01-31-2006, 11:12 AM

Salchows should be able to be done since take-off is not on the toe-pick any way...

Salchows do take off from the toe pick, as do loops and Axels. They are not toe assisted jumps, but the toe pick is the last part of the blade to leave the ice and you can see that in a tracing.

dbny

01-31-2006, 11:14 AM

Poor Kristi! Does anyone know if she needed stitches after last night's show?
Also, poor Lloyd Eisler, having to tote her around!

sk8er1964

01-31-2006, 12:50 PM

Kristi looked like she'd rather have been done after that show.

jazzpants

01-31-2006, 04:19 PM

I called it last week (http://www.skatingforums.com/showthread.php?p=256595#post256595) that if jumps were not a requirement that I think Deborah/Kurt were next to go! This week's requirement was for a lunge! I am surprised actually that Deborah went for it. Poor Kurt looked like he's in PAIN trying to lift Deborah up!!! 8O

Kristi/Lloyd: Too bad about that fall on Kristi's part. She wouldn't be in the hot seat if she didn't take that tumble. And I found it quite humorous that Sir John Nicks actually timed how long Kristi's in a lift of some sort. :lol: And where's the footwork? And couldn't either or them learn to do a pair spin in the opposite direction or something??? Could have spared Kristi of that gash in the head, 'ya know... Dorothy also mentioned they have good connection and I remember thinking "What connection?"

Dave/Nancy: Ummm... geez!!! I offered to lend an eyelashes jokingly and he actually takes it along with other makeup and a dress!?!!? Good LORD!!! 8O :lol: :bow: Good edges. His spirals are okay. (Lock your knees, Dave!!! I saw that!!! :twisted: ) And I love the beckoning from Sir John Nicks to "ditch those hockey skates and come over to the DARK SIDE!!!" :twisted:

Jillian/John: Hmmmm? They might be running into trouble starting next week with the next episode clip showing Jillian (I guess it's Jillian) with a broken rib!!! YIKES!!! 8O (Jillian... keep your hands to yourself in the K&C, NOT on John's thigh!!!) :twisted:

Bruce/Tai: :bow: :bow: :bow: (Scott must be eating his words right about now!!!)

Okay, my call for the next elimination... Kristi/Lloyd! They've been consistently been in that hot seat position in show #1 and #3. She needs to get those nerves down or she's out!!! Lloyd is certainly no help to her either. He doesn't seemed like he's in it with Kristi.

I would call Dave/Nancy, but Dave is improving and finding his feminine side (in more ways than the obvious... *ahem*!!!) The only way they're gonna get eliminated is if the requirements requires a side by side jump (no toepicks.) But as we know, you can land a jump w/o toe picks. So...my call is pretty much with Kristi/Lloyd. (Such a shame too! When they're hot, I love their skating!!!)

Isk8NYC

02-01-2006, 09:23 AM

Just watched the third episode last night.

I really didn't enjoy Dave and Nancy's number at all -- he skates like a gorilla in men's clothes, even worse in this episode's getup. I did like the wig, though.

Still don't like Jillian and John. She's got "RINGER" written all over her skating. I agree that she needs to keep her hands to herself. After watching John and his lovely wife on Queer Eye, I'm uncomfortable watching Jillian paw him on TV. Her lunge was pathetic: if she was "injured," why not do the lunge with the other leg?

Very impressed with Bruce and Tai. Didn't realize Randy Gardner was their choreographer as well as others. Bruce just needs to learn to dance a bit and enjoy the music.

I thought it was funny that Kristi and Lloyd both thought they were off the show. (She looked relieved.) I tend to be numbers-challenged, so I was confused with their disappointment and figured that I had heard the scores wrong. She seemed disappointed to stay on.

I want to see what Deb Gibson does over the next few weeks - she's pledged to keep coming to the show and skating. Brave words in front of the cameras, maybe?

jazzpants

02-07-2006, 02:41 AM

Well, well, well... Kristi/Lloyd redeemed themselves again!!! Thankfully I covered myself on the side by side jumps last week and thought that Dave and Nancy were in trouble b/c of that. (I know you guys... "IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!" :twisted: )

John/Jillian: Nice skating, but they better get their energy and "being in sync" back! Kristi/Lloyd are caught up. ;)

Okay, this is looking like an easy call...

My prediction for the next two shows... Bruce/Tai will be eliminated in the next show. But I've changed my prediction on who's winning. I think Kristi/Lloyd is gonna win this one! Why? 1) Jillian's plagued with injuries and 2) I just don't get that they're in sync as of late, like Bruce and Tai have just about every week. (At least she kept her hands off John's knees this week.) :twisted: When Kristi/Lloyd are on, they're really ON!!! They're alternating between hot and cold. This week is hot. Next week will be their cold performance but not cold enough to be eliminated. The following week is the last week and they will be HOT for that last show!

Priceless moment this week comes from Jillian:

Jillian: "Can I try for an axel?"
John and choreographer: "NO!!!" (in unison!!!) :twisted: :lol:

2boysmom

02-07-2006, 08:50 AM

Lloyd and Kristy were really good last night. Even Sir Nicks seemed quite pleased with them. I have loved Tai and Bruce, because he truly has come the furthest but I thought they should have been eliminated last night.

Bruce was way too tight. Understandably so since he just got 16 stitches but it was almost like he was back to his first week. I just didn't think that they were on last night at all.

Nancy and Dave seemed okay with being eliminated though. I thought they did pretty well since Dave seemed to not want to jump at all.

I think Tai and Bruce will definitely be the next to go and unless John and Julie get it together it is all Lloyd and Kristy's.

phoenix

02-07-2006, 09:19 AM

Best quote of the whole show so far:

Dave: "This is a THOUSAND TIMES harder than hockey!!!!" :twisted:

And I love Tai & Bruce~he's made the most progress & they always have well balanced, interesting choreography that doesn't make her outshine him too much. She's so lovely & they have a great connection. I wish they'd win the whole thing!

dbny

02-07-2006, 10:06 AM

I LOVE Bruce Jenner! Who better to say on network TV in prime time "Skating, figure skating, isn't for sissies!"? I am in agreement with the judges on eliminating Nancy & Dave because Dave really did almost nothing last night. His performance reminded me of Debbie Gibson's in her last performance: primarily a prop for the pro to skate around.

I am starting to believe the whole thing is planned. Of course, no one can entirely predict the outcome of a skating performance, but the choreography can certainly affect the outcome, and I think we saw that in Debbie & Kurt's skate last week, and again in Nancy & Bruce's this week. I think their programs were deliberately weak so as to lead to their elimination. I first started taking that idea seriously last week, when Kurt thanked Debbie for working with him in Toronto, so he could be with his family. I realized that Kurt has significant ongoing responsibilites with Stars On Ice, is very booked up already, and probably would not have wanted to devote more than three weeks to this show. I am just wondering if they are going to eliminate Jillian or not, as she should never have been in the show to start with. Given Fox's reputation for "fair and balanced" it would not surprise me if she and Peter won.

Isk8NYC

02-07-2006, 11:29 AM

Great show last night. I'm not sorry to see Dave go -- he really didn't challenge himself to actually learn a lot of skating maneuvers. Loved John Nick's comment about Nancy's double salchow: "You seemed suprised that she landed it, Dave. Don't be - she does it all the time." LOL!

I'm really glad for Kristy and Lloyd. She's really developed some serious skating skills. (Alliteration intended) They worked really hard on that program and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I cringed with every big move for John and Jillian. I thought she'd end up with a punctured lung at any minute. Their program was good, but I'll admit to bias against them because of the head start they had in skating skills. I heard that axel comment and laughed, too!

Tai and Bruce are priceless. He's so genuine about the difficulty in learning this sport, it's just what a bunch of the nay-sayers need to hear about figure skating. It is tough and yes, the ice is hard! I didn't see how he cut himself, though I watched. Have to watch the tape again. I hope they make it until the end.

Someone had made a comment previously about the pairs skaters being at an advantage. We see this week how true that is -- look who's left!

I didn't know John Nicks (who I keep calling "Steve Nicks") was a pairs skater. No wonder he's so tough (but I think also fair) on the skaters!

dbny

02-07-2006, 11:37 AM

Tai and Bruce are priceless. He's so genuine about the difficulty in learning this sport, it's just what a bunch of the nay-sayers need to hear about figure skating. It is tough and yes, the ice is hard! I didn't see how he cut himself, though I watched. Have to watch the tape again. I hope they make it until the end.

We rewound and watched several times for the causative fall. I think they didn't actually show it, just a similar one. They might have missed taping it, or Bruce might have cursed enough to keep it off the air :lol: :lol: :lol:.

jazzpants

02-07-2006, 01:45 PM

We rewound and watched several times for the causative fall. I think they didn't actually show it, just a similar one. They might have missed taping it, or Bruce might have cursed enough to keep it off the air :lol: :lol: :lol:.I don't think the fall that Bruce took was the one where he knocked his head. On the fall that they showed on TV, his head was definitely NOT anywhere near the ice... (not to say that particular fall wasn't painful either, but...)

Did they have to show the drops of blood on the ice too!?!?!? GROSS!!!! http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/ekelig/g025.gif

Isk8NYC

02-07-2006, 02:47 PM

Thanks, you saved my family from watching that scene multiple times tonight. You're probably right: they missed filming that actual fall, so they settled for a re-enactment and a closeup of the gory results.

Is it me, or does Bruce Jenner look like Scott Shannon (http://www.wplj.com/Article.asp?id=109014&spid=5701)(WPLJ Radio)?

Oh, we didn't mention Tai's little off-ice workout! At first, I thought it was intentional, then I noticed Bruce saying "keep going, keep going." He even used the platform for a push-off, which took some control. If only his knees were 20 years younger, huh?

icedancer2

02-07-2006, 03:56 PM

I am starting to believe the whole thing is planned. Of course, no one can entirely predict the outcome of a skating performance, but the choreography can certainly affect the outcome, and I think we saw that in Debbie & Kurt's skate last week, and again in Nancy & Bruce's this week. I think their programs were deliberately weak so as to lead to their elimination. I first started taking that idea seriously last week, when Kurt thanked Debbie for working with him in Toronto, so he could be with his family. I realized that Kurt has significant ongoing responsibilites with Stars On Ice, is very booked up already, and probably would not have wanted to devote more than three weeks to this show. I am just wondering if they are going to eliminate Jillian or not, as she should never have been in the show to start with. Given Fox's reputation for "fair and balanced" it would not surprise me if she and Peter won.

You know, I have been thinking the same thing myself EXCEPT I think that Bruce and Tai will win. Given that Bruce is a good golfing friend of Scotts, John Nicks is Tai's former coach and Dorothy is basically her skating peer, they are a shoo-in for the win in the end!

also I keep thinking that John Z's death-drop fall from the last show looked fake -- it wasn't a real fall -- it was planned --

anyway, I hope everyone is having fun with this -- I think it was great when Mark Lund made a comment to Kristy about being able to do this basically as an "adult skater" -- another plug for adult skating!! Yea!

dbny

02-07-2006, 05:05 PM

Is it me, or does Bruce Jenner look like Scott Shannon (http://www.wplj.com/Article.asp?id=109014&spid=5701)(WPLJ Radio)?

Oh, we didn't mention Tai's little off-ice workout! At first, I thought it was intentional, then I noticed Bruce saying "keep going, keep going." He even used the platform for a push-off, which took some control.

I wouldn't say he looks like Scott Shannon, but I can see some resemblance in the general type, coloration, and hair.

I loved that little mistake of theirs! Their recovery was very cool and quite remarkable, IMO.

BarbraM

02-08-2006, 09:51 AM

I think he looks a little like Bruce Jenner, and I see a Jay Leno resemblance too.

Isk8NYC

02-08-2006, 10:33 AM

My husband saw Scott Shannon in person at the station's annual Summer Blast Off last year. He says he's "scary-looking" in person.

iceskater2

02-09-2006, 07:05 AM

Does anyone else wonder how they will fill the hour when they eliminate the next couple. I bet they have some move challenges or something? What ideas do you have?

I really want Bruce & Tai to win the thing. I think they truly represent what this show was intended.

Isk8NYC

02-09-2006, 09:12 AM

Last year, we watched "Nashville Star" - the USA Network's version of "American Idol." The competitors had to sing country music; all kinds of country music. We were asked to root for someone in particular, so we really go into the show and voted each week.

When they reached the last weeks of the competition and had to fill time, they showed videos of the competitors doing concerts for charity, and had some of the "judges" and MC's perform for the Nashville audience.

Maybe they'll bring back some of the eliminated skaters, or have Scott or Dorothy perform. I haven't seen Scott skate in so long, that would be a real treat. I'm not expecting any backflips, though.

jazzpants

02-09-2006, 10:47 AM

Does anyone else wonder how they will fill the hour when they eliminate the next couple.I don't know... but that's one reason why I tape my shows to watch... can always fast forward thru the commercials and the fluff. :twisted:

jazzpants

02-13-2006, 07:31 PM

flippet

02-13-2006, 08:15 PM

Okay, that was just cruel. I didn't even remember that SwC was on until 8:40. :P I watched what was left, and it turned out as I expected.

I must say, though....I'm SO proud of Bruce Jenner. To do what he's done, in the time he's done it, and then to do it in front of an audience, with lighting.....the man is a god. Or something. :lol: 8-) Come on, Bruce! There's a whole world of adult skating out there for you! :D :D :D

VegasGirl

02-13-2006, 09:51 PM

Jazzpants,

do you want to know now who wins? :halo:
Though by now it should be pretty clear any way...

renatele

02-13-2006, 11:12 PM

Okay, I can only record one show. Olympics or Skating w/Celebrities... Guess which one wins out? :twisted:

If someone actually is watching/taping Skating w/Celebrities, please let me know the results! :D Thx.

Yes you CAN record both :) just tape the Skating With Celebrities at 8 pm (EST) and Olympics at 1:30 am (EST) ;)

I know it's after the fact for today, but maybe will be useful for other days...

jazzpants

02-14-2006, 01:28 AM

Jazzpants,

do you want to know now who wins? :halo:
Though by now it should be pretty clear any way...NO!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Seriously I have an idea who won. Hint: It's not the "obvious" choice.

Yes you CAN record both :) just tape the Skating With Celebrities at 8 pm (EST) and Olympics at 1:30 am (EST) ;):roll:

Yeah, I realized that AFTER I left for work, but I had no time to go back home to fix it. After all, I have to be at the rink to practice for MY Sectionals debut!!! :twisted: :P

Isk8NYC

02-14-2006, 11:59 AM

Come on, Bruce! There's a whole world of adult skating out there for you! :D :D :D

Wouldn't it be cool if Bruce Jenner turned up in a competition against someone like Nova? What would you say as the competitor?

It was inevitable that the two strong men's pair skaters went on to the finals. Tai's good, as is Randy, but she can't pick up Bruce and throw him around!

Remember: the next show ISN'T next Monday; it's two Mondays from now.

flippet

02-14-2006, 09:06 PM

Wouldn't it be cool if Bruce Jenner turned up in a competition against someone like Nova? What would you say as the competitor?

I think it would be totally cool. And I think that most 'victims' of AOSS (i.e., all of us :lol: ) have enough of a passion for the skating itself, that someone like Bruce would get about 5 minutes of 'wow...it's Bruce Jenner....Olympic track and field star....'--and then it would be all about the skating. A 'level' playing field, where we're all adult learners doing a sport we love. At least, for myself, I just love helping other adults love this sport too, so if that's the point in common, I doubt I'd be 'starstruck' for long, if at all.

Isk8NYC

02-15-2006, 09:51 AM

Poor Kristi! Does anyone know if she needed stitches after last night's show? Also, poor Lloyd Eisler, having to tote her around!

On WPLJ radio this morning, THEY said that Lloyd left his wife or she asked him to leave when she was still pregnant with their baby. Apparently, Lloyd and Kristi are a couple. I hope it's just PR. How sad for all of them, especially the child.

jazzpants

02-15-2006, 05:53 PM

On WPLJ radio this morning, THEY said that Lloyd left his wife or she asked him to leave when she was still pregnant with their baby. Apparently, Lloyd and Kristi are a couple. I hope it's just PR. How sad for all of them, especially the child.I'm afraid, PR stunt or not, that it's true! It's probably gonna be in this week's Star Magazine. (Inside Edition already mentioned about it yesterday from what I've read.)

:cry: :cry: :cry:

Joan

02-16-2006, 01:33 PM

Well, that explains the hand-holding on Kristie's knee last week! No wonder they show a connection on the ice!

I'm afraid, PR stunt or not, that it's true! It's probably gonna be in this week's Star Magazine. (Inside Edition already mentioned about it yesterday from what I've read.)

:cry: :cry: :cry:

jcspkbfan

02-16-2006, 04:09 PM

I'm afraid, PR stunt or not, that it's true! It's probably gonna be in this week's Star Magazine. (Inside Edition already mentioned about it yesterday from what I've read.)

It also made Page 3 of today's Globe and Mail (which, unfortunately, I'd consider a much more reliable source than Star magazine):

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060216.wxeisler16/BNStory/National/home

This article includes quotes from Marcia Eisler (who says she and Lloyd separated last summer before he started shooting "Skating With Celebrities") as well as Kristy and Lloyd's publicist.

I know Lloyd can be a little too outspoken at times, but I've always thought of him as a straightforward, loyal, honest guy. He's one of the last skaters I would think of who'd hook up with another woman while his wife was still pregnant and have her find out via e-mail forwards by his new girlfriend instead of telling Marcia himself.

I haven't watched this show since Kurt and Deborah Gibson were voted off, but I remember someone said there would be a "unique twist" before the show was over. I never thought the "twist" would be something like this. :cry:

Ironically, I got the impression Lloyd and Kristy didn't even like each other the first time I saw them practice together during "Skating With Celebrities!"

I can't help but wonder what Isabelle must think of all of this...

VegasGirl

02-16-2006, 06:38 PM

Aehem... but isn't that his own private and none of our business?

flippet

02-16-2006, 09:25 PM

Aehem... but isn't that his own private and none of our business?

Well, if it were, then their publicists shouldn't have put it out there, should they?

I'm not a huge Lloyd fan to begin with...for some reason I get a 'not a nice person' vibe from him. Not that that has anything to do with this--we don't know what really went on, and marriages don't get broken up unless one of the participants wants it broken.

Still....icky.

VegasGirl

02-17-2006, 05:51 AM

md2be

02-17-2006, 01:25 PM

deleted for personal reasons.

flippet

02-17-2006, 01:48 PM

No, it's the other way around... the PR guys feel compelled (not to say forced) to put that info out because the "public" demands it. That doesn't make it right though... how would you feel if your private matters were broadcast all over the world?

And to top it off the speculations and accusations that come with it just as yours now...

Actually, the article said that they've been together for months, and their publicists didn't know why they [meaning Kristi and Lloyd] chose now to announce it.

I can tell you---more publicity for the final couple of nights of Skating with Celebrities.

Celebs know how to work the system to their advantage. They may complain 'oh, poor tabloided me' (and sometimes this does happen), but they also deliberately place items so as to create publicity for themselves.

Kristi and Lloyd's publicists work for Kristi and Lloyd, not the other way around. They'd be fired in a heartbeat if they put something out that K & L didn't want out there.

Aurora

02-17-2006, 08:47 PM

what is with the pair guys - can't they just be happy with their first wives and their children instead of fooling around with their partners. A few years ago it was Pelletier and now Eisler - YIKES!

Isk8NYC

02-21-2006, 04:42 PM

I wonder if there's a way we can nominate Bruce Jenner for some sort of "second athlete" award? He certainly deserves some recognition for developing skating skills so quickly and so good-naturedly.

sk8mommy

02-22-2006, 08:31 PM

Personally, when I heard about Lloyd and Kristi, my stomach turned. Regardless of your marital problems, to cheat on your spouse (and especially your pregnant spouse...not that it should matter, but it does make it even more disgusting IMO) shows that your morals are in the toilet. If you are having marital problems and cannot work it out....get a divorce, then hook up with someone else if that's what you must do. I was feeling bad about missing this show, but now I'm glad I didn't watch.
I read several articles about this, one included comments from Isabel and what she had to say about Lloyd certainly wasn't bad but it wasnt glowing either. This is what he chose, so he must now deal with the consequences....and if that means that people hate him or talk bad about him...oh well! If my husband did it, he'd have to live with the opinions of his friends and family....Lloyd's circle is just bigger.

ildah

02-23-2006, 12:20 PM

I'm a bit disgusted by Eisler. I think he is troubled, immature for 42 years old and IMO never got over not getting it together with Isabel.

But Pelletier? Didn't he have a very short, less than a year marriage when he was 22 or 23 and no children. And wasn't it well over and done for by the time he and Jamie finally admitted the attraction and gave in? Or am I misinformed and naive, or both!?

Muskoka Skater

02-24-2006, 12:09 PM

I like the show but who won?:?:

Isk8NYC

02-24-2006, 12:29 PM

The show's not over yet: the final episode is scheduled to be shown this coming Monday.

jazzpants

02-25-2006, 03:16 PM

I like the show but who won?:?:If you don't wanna know, do NOT read this weeks' National Enquirer!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

(Yeah, it's EXACTLY who I think is gonna win!!!) :twisted:

dbny

02-27-2006, 12:42 PM

The show's not over yet: the final episode is scheduled to be shown this coming Monday.

Heads up everyone:

Monday's episode is #6 of 7. The finale is on Thursday, March 2 at 9 PM ET.

Isk8NYC

02-27-2006, 03:55 PM

Sorry about that, folks. I read "Finale" on their website, and didn't realize it was a two-part finale (http://www.fox.com/schedule/showinfo/skating/sk_106.htm)!
I was half-wrong, or half-right, depending on how optimistic you are today! :lol:
Talk about stretching it out, sheesh!

Tonight (Monday 2/27/2006) is Part I;
Thursday night (3/2/2006) is Part II.

dbny

02-27-2006, 09:32 PM

Did anyone else :lol: when Summer Sanders said "take the rink" instead of "take the ice"? I only half watched tonight's show because I was busy with other things, but have taped it to watch with DH later when he gets home from work.

jazzpants

02-28-2006, 12:46 AM

I wish I had a chance to tape it but... power went out in my neighborhood for hours. Lucky for me, I found out my home had no power when I got home, so I went turn around and went straight for the rink instead!!! :D (Power IS back now though.)

But I read in the Parlor that Jillian's trying to get JZ's attention. Sorry, Jillian, but JZ's not a "Lloyd Eisler" and Sylvia is just too lovely a gal!!! Stop dressing like a 'ho!!! :twisted:

VegasGirl

02-28-2006, 07:06 AM

Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention, but I honestly don't remember seeing Kristy and Lloyd doing the required jump combination or the spin. Did I just miss it?

As for Jillian... well, she was and is just that, Jillian, slutty looking Fox anchor... no grace, no class... and what was up with that lift combo going through John's legs? Looked plain nasty and like they should've been getting aroom for that instead! *Yuck*

Terri C

02-28-2006, 03:37 PM

As for Jillian... well, she was and is just that, Jillian, slutty looking Fox anchor... no grace, no class... and what was up with that lift combo going through John's legs? Looked plain nasty and like they should've been getting aroom for that instead! *Yuck*

ITA- I hope she is introduced to the term "sandbagger" on Thursday night!
BTW- it'll be (sorry for being crude, but it's sadly true) The Housewrecker vs, The Ho!

jazzpants

02-28-2006, 03:45 PM

ITA- I hope she is introduced to the term "sandbagger" on Thursday night!
BTW- it'll be (sorry for being crude, but it's sadly true) The Housewrecker vs, The Ho!DOH!!! I have an appropriate reply for the "sandbagger" comment, but I would have to give out the name of the winner to make that comment.... :roll: (BTW: the 'Ho now has an axel. I saw the video on the website!) :P

I guess it's just as well that I didn't see the show this week, since this is becoming a train wreck. Will tape next week's show though... everyone will be coming back to do one last routine!!! :D

Mel On Ice

02-28-2006, 06:17 PM

JZ has it too good at home, his wife is hotter than Jillian!

phoenix

02-28-2006, 06:25 PM

Well that was an unbelievable waste of time. An hour show to see about 3 minutes of new skating. Gak. I kept walking away & doing other things, and ended up missing half of one of the new programs!! Think Thursday I'll just tape it & then can FF through all the JUNK to just watch the 5 minutes of actual new stuff.

They overplayed their hand wayyyy too much here IMO.....and it just gets cornier & cornier. And I'm very bitter that Jillian can skate better than me, even though she's "only" been skating for 6 weeks :roll: .......good God. Uneducated people are going to think you can sign up for lessons & be doing axels & sit spins in a matter of weeks.

SkateFan123

03-02-2006, 06:28 PM

If you don't wanna know, do NOT read this weeks' National Enquirer!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

(Yeah, it's EXACTLY who I think is gonna win!!!) :twisted:

Swanson eluded to the winner in an interview. She was asked how much she got for doing the show and she replied that she just got a great boyfriend. That tells me she didn't win.

Sparkey

03-02-2006, 08:58 PM

Results are in....gag me with a spoon.....

jazzpants

03-02-2006, 09:47 PM

Swanson eluded to the winner in an interview. She was asked how much she got for doing the show and she replied that she just got a great boyfriend. That tells me she didn't win.Not necessarily true... it just means that she didn't get PAID $$$ to do the show. :P (She's not allowed in her contract to reveal the winner... but, of course, the tabloids already got a hold of the results anyway. :twisted: )

But in either case, I agree with Sparky!!! Kinda hard for me to cheer for either the 'Ho or the Homewrecker... :roll:

Isk8NYC

03-03-2006, 07:20 AM

What a waste of air time - why did that need to be a two-part finale?

Bruce and Tai were the real winners! Everybody write to Wheaties and ask them to put the two of them on a box! LOL

icedancer2

03-03-2006, 11:30 AM

What a waste of air time - why did that need to be a two-part finale?

Bruce and Tai were the real winners! Everybody write to Wheaties and ask them to put the two of them on a box! LOL

I totally agree! I didn't like either of those two girls! Yuck!

climbsk8

03-03-2006, 01:42 PM

You know, I was totally naive to think that a show like this would actually help skating's image.

JZ was the only one worth watching in the end (beautiful, but sorry honey he's taken)
As for JB, she should either be a whiner OR a sandbagger, but NOT both. And good god woman pull your pants up.

KS (homewrecker) and, worst of all, Lloyd, who left his 8-week-old baby at home so he can play around in the garbage ...

I'm so glad this is over, and I hope it never comes back. What an embarrassment.

kermit

03-03-2006, 02:22 PM

sk8er1964

03-03-2006, 03:49 PM

Although most posters on this forum don't seem to support the winners of this competition, I was very happy with the outcome of this show.

I was a LLoyd/Kristy fan from first show and felt that they should not have been at the bottom of the scores. I felt that this couple showed the most improvement. While I also loved to watch John & Jillian, Jillian obviously had figure skating experience which definitely helped her succeed.

So, even if I am one of their few fans, I will be happy for them. It's not my place to critize their personal lives as I am not privy to any information behind the scenes of Lloyd's failed marriage.

You're not alone. Personally, I would have preferred Bruce and Tai, but out of the final two teams I thought the result was right. Jillian was annoying, but these kind of shows need annoying. As for Lloyd/Kristy, the show didn't use their personal lives to promote itself. They seem genuinely happy with the results, and it seemed to me like the other celebs enjoyed it (maybe with the exception of Dave).

Isk8NYC

03-05-2006, 09:11 AM

I didn't like the fact that Jillian had an unfair advantage coming into the competition, having been a competitive skater in her youth. It would have been wrong for a "ringer" to win the competition.

Kristy and Lloyd were not consistent from performance to performance, and demonstrated very little artistry and pairs skating short of lifts. Whoever paired a CCW and a CW skater together made a big mistake. They didn't actually do any pairs spins until she relearned how to spin in Lloyd's direction.

Also in the "unfair advantage" category: those two teams involved the experienced skater being a MALE PAIRS SKATER. That's why they were able to master the "tricks" so quickly, specifically the lifts.

On the other hand, Tai Bablonia was a pairs skater but not the male half. There was no way SHE was going to be able to lift Bruce Jenner. He started as a beginning skater, and his doing the lifts would have endangered them both. So, they focused on what they could do, and they did it well. They were consistent and showed constant improvement, especially in artistry.

So I again nominate Bruce and Tai for the true winners!