Standings for 2005 Worlds - Men...

[Lark]

I am still a bit confused. LOL

I know that Weir was 7th (?) going into the LP, and finished 4th over all.

But did he or did he not beat Buttle in the LP?

And if not, how the heck NOT?

[Shinn-Reika]

Well he was skating on an injured (landing) foot. He was supposed to have shots, but opted to pass on them before the competition.

[Artemis]

Here's what I posted in the "Weir wuz robbed" thread shortly after the competition.

No, I don't think he was robbed at all.

It's important to remember that under CoP, it's not a matter of what appears to be "a great skate," it's a mathematical computation based on the point value of certain elements.

Johnny's base mark for his technical content was a 6.3 points lower than Jeff's and 3.2 points lower than Evan's. That's because Johnny only did 7 jump passes (instead of the 8 allowed), and his spins and footwork sequences were generally more simple than Jeff's.

Yes, Jeff fell twice, but he got his deductions for that: -3 GOE as well as an additional 1 point deduction for each fall. His starting point value was still much higher, so even with the deductions he ends up with a higher technical score than Johnny.

Then in the Component marks, although Johnny is usually a very dynamic and artistic skater, on the night he was slow, sluggish, and generally lacking in pizzazz. Jeff, OTH, didn't let his two falls faze him at all or affect the overall performance.

Plus don't forget that the competition is about more than the long program. Johnny was way back in the standings after his lower placings in the Q (7th) and the short (9th).

I give Johnny an A for effort in battling through that progrm with his injuries. But there was no robbery going on, IMO.

Edited to add: Oh yeah, you asked about the LP placements, didn't you? Sorry. Anyway, in the LP alone, it was Lambiel 1, Buttle 2, Sandu 3, Lysacek 4, Van der Perren 5, and Weir 6.

[sk8er1964]

Edited to add: Oh yeah, you asked about the LP placements, didn't you? Sorry. Anyway, in the LP alone, it was Lambiel 1, Buttle 2, Sandu 3, Lysacek 4, Van der Perren 5, and Weir 6.

Beatin' the dead horse......

I still wonder why in he-double toothpicks Lambiel was in first in the long. He did two quad toes, one in combination. He did another triple toe. He did some nice spins, and had a lot of enthusiasm.

However, he didn't land a whole lot of other jumps. So the guy can do a toe loop and spin --- big deal. That's not an all around skater. Buttle has better presentation/choreography, equal spins, and all the other jumps except the quads ;) .

Now, I'm not quibbling about the overall results -- I understand that he had a phenominal QR skate (didn't see it :evil: ). He had an excellent SP, pulling the elements off when they counted. However, he did not, IMO (even if he deserved to win the whole thing) win the LP. Seems to me that CoP is fraught with human biases -- in the form of the component score, because he did get the technical deductions for a technically lackluster performance but was held up big time on the component scores. Can we say 5.7 for tech and 6.0 for presentation???