God help me please~~

[kenshiji]

I am a skater from HK.I have been learning skating for 1 year~
Nevertheless,I can't do my upright one foot spin well.Sarcastically,my back spin(level 5)is quite good.....
What I think my issues are,I can't spin at the middle of my bland.No matter how I practice it,it still don't work.Usually,when I perform it,my left skate fell to the direction of the inside edge....and...I spin from U.S to Japan...
everyone can teach me how to do it better?
I had tried all my effort...and tell myself:don't look on the ground...don't use the front of my bland to spin....but,i do all of the above unconsciously..
please help..thx

[skippyjoy_207]

I am a skater from HK.I have been learning skating for 1 year~
Nevertheless,I can't do my upright one foot spin well.Sarcastically,my back spin(level 5)is quite good.....
What I think my issues are,I can't spin at the middle of my bland.No matter how I practice it,it still don't work.Usually,when I perform it,my left skate fell to the direction of the inside edge....and...I spin from U.S to Japan...
everyone can teach me how to do it better?
I had tried all my effort...and tell myself:don't look on the ground...don't use the front of my bland to spin....but,i do all of the above unconsciously..
please help..thx

Watching others do it was how I improved, I think. Enter your spin on an outside edge, and hold it there. Pretend you're going on a circle on your outside edge. Lean to the side. As for spinning on the "middle part of your blade", I don't think you're supposed to... My coach (and everyone else) tells me to spin on the spot directly behind my toepicks (not on them), after centering on the rocker of the blade. Good luck!

[Shinn-Reika]

Oi? I was just told that you should be spinning on your inside edge. Well for forwards spins...methinks.

Either way I think it helps just to be able to hold the edge after you three turn. I know I had a major p[roblem with doing two three's before my spinnig. Something I didn't realize I was doing.

[sarahyani]

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[sarahyani]

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[icedancer2]

When you do a backspin you are on a back inside edge, hence when you are on a forward spin you are on a forward outside edge. This is why change spins are easy.

If you are doing a camel spin wrong you'll generally drop onto an inside edge and your hip will drop and you'll just go BLEH and stuff it up... forward spins are definately on an outside edge!!! I dont see how they could be on an inside edge really?!

Think about the spin -- you enter the forward spin from the outside edge and basically do a three-turn and then spin on the inside edge, around and around in little circles, but it is definitely a back inside edge. Yes, you experience that "sweet spot" but when you look at the tracing, you can see the edge.

In the new judging system, more credit is given to the skater who changed his spin in the middle of the spin from a back inside to forward outside edge -- this is considered more difficult (and I'm sure it is). The problem being that now EVERY skater does a variation of this spin and it is starting to be not so unusual, and actually, not that interesting, as it often stops the rotation of the spin somewhat and the spin will travel somewhat.

The backspin is a back outside edge -- this is why many coaches teach jump rotations by teaching the backspin on the (back outside) landings of single jumps. Gives you than sense of rotating.

(icedancer2 who no longer spins, but has to understand spin dynamics in order to judge...)

[sarahyani]

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[sarahyani]

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[skippyjoy_207]

Oh wait. no i was told it was on a back outside edge (backspin). OOOOPS. sorry. hahaha. hmm maybe i should shuttup, i'm giving bad advice here.

Haha, no one's perfect, and not every bit of info here is true. But we try to correct one another. ;)

[icedancer2]

Wow thanks ice-dancer. i think your actually right there. I was told that backspin was on an back.... hmm now i'm confused of what i was told. But your right. thats how i spin anyway i think. how can you change from an inside to an outside edge noticably?? that sounds pretty specky

Watch the elite skaters -- like at Worlds -- I think it's more common to change from a back outside spin to a front inside than the from a back inside spin (what we are calling a forward spin) to a front outside. You will see almost every skater in the top levels at Nationals and Worlds do this at least once in their programs.

At the local level, we have preliminary and juvenile skaters who are starting to learn this -- I saw it at a local comp last week.

[kenshiji]

Thank you all of the above comment~
in fact,I used to have a coach but now haven't.
What you mean is use the back inside of the blade as spinning forward?
Also,I can't keep my left foot straightly,then i can't keep myself centered
So, What I am supposed to do now?as one of you mention,keeping doing a wrong position will make it even get wrose...

[skippyjoy_207]

Thank you all of the above comment~
in fact,I used to have a coach but now haven't.
What you mean is use the back inside of the blade as spinning forward?
Also,I can't keep my left foot straightly,then i can't keep myself centered
So, What I am supposed to do now?as one of you mention,keeping doing a wrong position will make it even get wrose...

I haven't gotten to the backspins yet, so I wouldn't know about the back edges, but for one-foot spins (if you're talking about those), I like to keep my skating leg bent until I find my center, and then I straighten it to gain speed.

[Mrs Redboots]

I haven't gotten to the backspins yet, so I wouldn't know about the back edges, but for one-foot spins (if you're talking about those), I like to keep my skating leg bent until I find my center, and then I straighten it to gain speed.Actually, the normal 1-foot spin is done on a back inside edge. This isn't as hard as it sounds - after all, a spin starts by being a 3-turn that you don't check.

If you think about it, you go into a 3-turn on a forward outside edge (okay, there are other 3-turns, but for the purposes of this post), and come out of it on a back inside edge. When you spin, you don't check the initial 3-turn, to maintain the momentum - so you are automatically spinning on a BI edge, even if it doesn't feel like it!

[doubletoe]

Thank you all of the above comment~
in fact,I used to have a coach but now haven't.
What you mean is use the back inside of the blade as spinning forward?
Also,I can't keep my left foot straightly,then i can't keep myself centered
So, What I am supposed to do now?as one of you mention,keeping doing a wrong position will make it even get wrose...

First, you should get a good blade/boot expert to look at how your blade is mounted on your left boot. When you are just standing on the ice in your skates, do you feel balanced on your left blade or do you feel like you aren't right on top of it? If your blade is crooked on the boot or if it's too far to the outside of the boot, you will fall to the inside.

Once you make sure your blade is mounted correctly, make sure you keep your shoulders level as you enter the spin and keep your shoulders level during the spin. Also, make your entrance as round as possible and don't try to go into the spin too soon. Start your entrance edge on a line and don't start your spin until your little half circle has brought you back to the line. Once you reach the end of your edge and find your spinning spot, try to stop and stay in one place to spin. You only travel if you're going somewhere, so don't try to cover any distance on the ice on your entrance edge; just make a circle. Also, don't swing your free leg, just bring it gently to the front after you have completed a half circle on the entrance edge and are starting to turn into the spin.

[kenshiji]

thank you your comment,it's very useful indeed...
i suppose my blade is fine and i will try what you have recommended before~