Highest possible jump base score, Ladies FS

[Schmeck]

OK, I had a lot of down time at work today, and I was fiddling with base scores. I was trying to figure out the maximum possible Ladies FS base jump score, without using the 3 axel or quads.

By best fiddle was this one:

3Lz 3T
3Lz
3F 3Lo 2Lo
3F
2A 2Lo 2Lo
3S
2A

I think that's 47.6

Now, that's following the 7 jump elements, three combinations/sequences, and two triple jumps repeated with one of each having to be in combination. I also limited jumps combinations to 3 jumps total. Are the skaters allowed to do a billion double jumps in comb/seq, or is there a limit to that too?

Also, I know there is a factor of 1.1X for jumps done after a certain time period, but I just want the plain base score first.

Is my jump list legal? Is there a higher base score possible? I guess there could be some 2Lz on there instead of 2Lo, to make it a jump sequence, but I couldn't work out the foot placement to make it possible (in the classroom today :lol:)

[thumbyskates]

What about placement of the jumps? Does it count for more if if the difficult jumps are later in the program? Just something I heard...could be VERY wrong!

Kortney

[Schmeck]

Also, I know there is a factor of 1.1X for jumps done after a certain time period, but I just want the plain base score first.



Yes, I was just trying to get the best plain base score first though, as the skater could just do all the jumps at the end of the program (not very balanced though!) for that 1.1 factor.

[Artemis]

Well, no, not quite legal. Only 1 of the jump combination is allowed to have 3 jumps; the other two allowed jump combos can only have 2 jumps.

Also, since 3T and 3S are each worth more than a 2A, I'd drop one of the 2A. Therefore I'd do this instead:

3Lz 3T
3Lz
3F 3T 2Lo
3F
3S 3Lo
3Lo
2A

That's a base value of 50.3.

[NickB]

But that's not legal either, because 4 triples are repeated, while only 2 repeated triples are allowed.

[Schmeck]

Can you repeat more than two triples now? I've been having a hard time finding all of the new rules (yes, I've checked out the ISU website, I've even downloaded the stuff!) and how they apply to/negate the old ones.

[roza]

Therefore I'd do this instead:

3Lz 3T
3Lz
3F 3T 2Lo
3F
3S 3Lo
3Lo
2A

That's a base value of 50.3.

Actually the base value fo this jump schedule would be 39.8 as the solo flip and loop would score zero because you've already repeated the Lutz and toe and as NickB said you can only repeat 2 triples.

For those who are still hazy on the repetition rules, HERE (http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4844-152084-169300-64124-0-file,00.pdf) is the Well Balanced Program criteria.

[Schmeck]

There was a second page to that pdf - I didn't see that one before! Thanks, roza, for linking it here. It answered a lot of questions, but it also raised one. Look at the very last line on the second page, about moves in the field. Why does it say Men?

[Artemis]

Oops! For some reason I thought they'd done away with the no-more-than-2-repeated-jumps rule.

In that case, I think the best base value for jumps would be:

3Lz 2T
3Lz
3F 2T 2Lo
3F
3S 3Lo
3T
2A

= 43.9

[Schmeck]

New question - (I've had way too much down time at work lately, it seems!)

Can a 2F be done in sequence? How about a 2Lz? You know, instead of the 3S after the half-loop, why not do a flip jump? A 2F has a higher base value than a 2Lo.

[Artemis]

The thing about sequences (AOT combos) is that the base mark is multiplied by .08 to reflect the fact that a sequence is somewhat easier. So that means that a double lutz, for example, in sequence = the same as a double loop in combo, and a double flip in sequence = less than a double loop in combo.

[NoVa Sk8r]

AFAIK, according to the rules, there is no restriction on how many double axels, or really how many doubles, one can do. (Of course, attempting many many doubles will probably not be looked favorably upon by the judges, as it will most certainly deduct from the Program Component Score, or PCS.)

And speaking of which, Kevin van der Perren landed 3 double axels (in addition to his 2 triple axels) in his Worlds LP (http://www.isufs.org/results/wc2005/WC05_Men_FS_Scores.pdf).

Even though he was ranked 5th overall in the freeskate, he had the highest Technical Element Score, or TES (68.71)!

[LoopLoop]

AFAIK, according to the rules, there is no restriction on how many double axels, or really how many doubles, one can do.
But there is a limited number of jumping passes (8 for men, 7 for ladies) as well as only three combinations. So skaters can't just throw in doubles everywhere.

[icenut84]

Interesting question!

3lutz-3toe = 10.6
3lutz = 6.1
3flip-3loop-2loop = 12.4
3flip = 5.6
2axel-2axel (sequence) = 5.28
3salchow = 4.8
2axel = 3.3

That'd be legal, right? = 48.08. Is that the highest so far? :)