Need 88 Olympics SP results and USA results...HELP!

[Kylen15]

Help, please. :halo:

I'm looking for 1988 Olympic ladies short program standings, can't find them anyplace I know to go.

And I'm looking also for US Championships ladies senior results from about 1984-current. They used to be up at Skatabase, but I can't find them anymore.

Help?

[Impromptu]

Ranking for the short program, or rankings after the short program?

SP results were as follows:

1.Katarina Witt
2.Debi Thomas
3.Elizabeth Manley
4.Midori Ito (that SP rocked, btw, she was amazing)
5.Caryn Kadavy (she withdrew after the SP)
6.Jill Trenary
7.Anna Kondrashova (USSR)
8.Simone Koch (East Germany)
9.Claudia Leistner (West Germany)
10.Kira Ivanova (USSR)
11.Marina Kielmann (West Germany)
12.Iveta Voralova (Czech)
13.Lotta Falkenback (Sweden)
14.Charlene Wong (CAN)
15.Junko Yaginuma (JPN)
16.Stephanie Schmid (Switzerland)
17.Beatrice Gelmini (Italy)
18.Joanne Conway (Great Britain)
19.Yvonne Gomez (Spain)
20.Katrien Pauwels (Belgium)
21.Agnes Gosselin (France)
22.Tamara Teglassy (Hungary)
23.Tracy Brook (Australia)
24.Gina Fulton (Great Britain)
25.Zeljka Cizmesija (Yugoslavia)
26.Petia Gavazova (Bulgaria)
27.Song-Suk Kim (Peoples Republic of Korea)
28.Yibing Jiang (China)
29.Pauline Lee (Taipei)
30.Sung-Jin Byun (Korea)
31.Diana Encinas-Evans (Mexico)

Combined Results (SP + Figures)

1.Debi Thomas
2.Katarina Witt
3.Elizabeth Manley
4.Kira Ivanova
5.Jill Trenary
6.Caryn Kadavy
7.Claudia Leistner
8.Midori Ito
9.Anna Kondrashova
10.Simone Koch (tied with)
10. Marina Kielmann
12. Joanne Conway
13.Katrien Pauwels
14.Junko Yaginuma
15.Beatrice Gelmini
16.Agnes Gosselin
17.Charlene Wong
18.Yvonne Gomez
19.Iveta Voralova
20.Stephanie Schmid
21.Lotta Falkenback (Tied with)
21. Tamara Teglassy
23. Zeljka Cizmesija
24. Gina Fulton
25. Tracy Brook
26. Yibing Jiang
27. Sung-Jin Byun
28. Petia Gavazova
29. Pauline Lee
30. Diana Encinas-Evans
31. Song-Suk Kim

You should be able to find US Nationals results on the USFSA site for the past four or five years. I think Skatabase may still have them, but you have to use their search engine and look one year at a time.

[BarneyBear]

I can't help you with the USA results, and Impromptu gave you the results of the Olympics, but do take a look at this amazing site as well for some great detail:

http://www.aya.or.jp/~polaris/winter_olympic/index.htm

Choose "results" from the top menu, then scroll down to 1988 Calgary, and select what you need from the drop down menua for figure skating. It gives the judges' marks, nationality etc for the SP and LP.

BB

[Lynn]

Ranking for the short program, or rankings after the short program?

SP results were as follows:

1.Katarina Witt
2.Debi Thomas
3.Elizabeth Manley
4.Midori Ito (that SP rocked, btw, she was amazing)
5.Caryn Kadavy (she withdrew after the SP)
I recently got a chance to download all of these SPs and I must say these placements are nowhere near where I would have put them. NO WAY should Katarina have been in first for the SP. Caryn's SP was beautifully choreographed and skated with lots of in betweens, wonderful spins, and the much harder jump combo of 3loop/2loop (Katarina only did a 3toe/2loop). I would have had her in first. While Debi's SP was very athletic I thought it also had lots of empty spots with just skating around. I agree with Impromptu in her assessment of Midori's SP, it was a thing of wonder. 2loop/3loop combo and high energy all the way. Too bad it was still in her devlopmental years choreographically or she may have placed higher. Liz was spot on too. I would have put them 1. Kadavy 2. Witt (based on better presentation) 3. Manley 4. Thomas and 5. Ito

[MQSeries]

Kadavy lacked the attack that the skaters that placed above her had. I would have put Thomas first above Witt. It was a technical program and Thomas's 2t-3t was as solid and secure and they come. She also had better spins and better body line positions than Witt. Witt's had the advantage on the footwork. It was strange that Witt was the only top skater that consistently ended her short program with a straight line step sequence, whereas most other skaters normally ended theirs with the combination spin.

I still find it odd that Witt was labeled the artisitc skater during the Witt-Thomas period, although she was the athletic one during the Witt-Sumners years. She had a lot of charms for sure, but I would never label her an artistic skater.

[Kylen15]

I've finally gotten a chance to see all the short programs, and I have to say I don't miss the days when everything was THAT political. Is it that much better now? No. ::chuckles:: But 88 was all about reputation, I think.

Ito should have won the short program, Thomas second, Manley third, Kadavy fourth and Witt fifth. Yes, Witt fifth. She had the simplest of the jump combinations, the choreography wasn't anywhere near the level of some of the skaters in front of her, and she got saved by her rep on her jump combination. Clean, yes, but shaky.

Then, in the long, both Manley and Ito should have beaten Witt. I like Katarina, but she didn't mature choreographical as much as people thought she did until she turned pro.

[Lynn]

Then, in the long, both Manley and Ito should have beaten Witt.Manley did beat Witt in the long--she won the LP! Anyway, I still feel Caryn should have been first in the SP. Her jump combo was beautiful, difficult and flawless; she had good speed, great flow, tricky footwork, nice spins and beautiful choreography--the whole package.

[Mel On Ice]

Funny you mention this, because yesterday I was watching a long-ago taped miniseries and discovered the ladies LP from '88 Worlds towards the end of the tape! I was happy to see Ito, Leistner, Kadavy, Trenary, Witt, Thomas and Manley, but disappointed I taped over the short, men's LP and SP, dance and pairs.

Mind you, I don't remember now how they skated in the SP (why did I tape "The Lawrenceville Stories" over this?) or in figures but, based on the LP performances that were so similar to their Olympic versions, I'd put 'em in order this way:

1. Manley - she had so much going on in this program, I rewound to watch it twice. Content fit the personality, I really think she was robbed of gold twice that year.
2. Ito - she rules
3. Witt - lacking in content, lots of flirting but clean
4. Thomas - oh Debi, you skate to win, not skate to get it over with
5. Trenary - she had a terrible fall, but she was okay
6. Cadavy - elegant, but a mess, I think one triple
7. Leistner - awful