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danibellerika

07-24-2004, 06:32 PM

schnood

07-28-2004, 10:58 PM

valuvsmk

07-28-2004, 11:06 PM

I thought the limit was 2:40....didn't Michelle Kwan get a deduction at Worlds for going 2:41?

Or 2:42 - that is true, but apparently there is now an allowance to have the SP last until 2:50 - I have seen quotes from various parties saying that this will allow more MITF's by skaters in the short program. We shall see.

prunes89

07-29-2004, 08:52 PM

I think it is about time they deducted Michelle Kwan for trying to get away with stuff nobody else could.
I think Sasha will challenge herself this year, and nobody else. She is head and shoulders above the rest of the field. Nobody even comes close.

danibellerika

07-30-2004, 10:21 PM

Head and shoulders in terms of talent, but unfortunately, she's got some ground to make up in the consistency area and like it or not, that makes a big differerence and by that, I'm thinking 2 possible national titles, an olympic medal, a couple world medals, and a world title, but who's counting? She's getting better though at least...

loveskating

08-03-2004, 11:22 AM

I cannot wait to see what they come up with! I watched my whole season tape of Sasha last night (which includes the other top 2) and noticed how she is pushing everyone...even Arakawa with the Ina Bauer like the one from Sasha's Rach the previous year, and the Sasha's type of side catch spin.

I also decided that Robin's programs are more POWERFUL emotionally, more seamless, perhaps more emphasis on whole body movements so while I adore Tarasova's programs for Sasha, I also adore Robin's.

Sasha will do well under the COP...

icenut84

08-04-2004, 10:47 AM

I also decided that Robin's programs are more POWERFUL emotionally, more seamless, perhaps more emphasis on whole body movements so while I adore Tarasova's programs for Sasha, I also adore Robin's.

How many Robin programmes has she had? She kept Malaguena and Romeo & Juliet (both Tarasova) from 03 for the 04 season, and her LP was originally Tarasova but was changed by Robin. Has Robin done her any other programmes other than the second Swan Lake? (I don't get to see COI or anything, which is why I ask. Unless you've seen Sasha's new programmes with Robin, or something.)

PrityinPinkSK8R

08-04-2004, 12:56 PM

i thought that robin shouldnt have changed sasha's program ...i think it was better the way it was...
ps and its not robin thats going to do her programes 4 this year............

Joe Impressive

08-05-2004, 12:23 PM

Who will be doing Sasha's new programs? :??

Joe Impressive

PrityinPinkSK8R

08-05-2004, 04:09 PM

i dunno if i should say it now...but you'll see.... its an amazing choreographer

danibellerika

08-05-2004, 06:32 PM

Amazing can be subjective, but if it's Morosov(who doesn't impress me much anymore), I heard that she dumped him. And I also heard that ROBIN indeed is now making the programs and her and sasha were in a room listening to music jotting down moves etc so it's kinda hard to know what to believe until Sasha finally spills it. I'm just depserately desperately hoping that it isn't what I've heard it possibly could be(my lips are sealed on that note).

PrityinPinkSK8R

08-05-2004, 07:07 PM

no its not morosov and its not wagner...i know this because it is my choreographer too...but as you said my lips are sealed for now.

prunes89

08-05-2004, 07:56 PM

Schmeck

08-05-2004, 08:03 PM

What outstanding stuff has Nichol done lately? Seems she peaked with Michelle Kwan, did a bit of a miracle on Tim G., and then didn't produce too many star programs.

Louis

08-05-2004, 08:49 PM

You can piece this one together if you take a mostly false (but partially true) rumor that was on one of the message boards a couple of weeks ago and extrapolate.

NYSk8Fan

08-05-2004, 10:18 PM

Louis, could you list some of the other message boards or direct me to a list of them? I only know about this one, USFSA one and Unseen Skaters.

hiliairyh

08-05-2004, 11:36 PM

It would be awesome if Sasha was working with Lori Nichol, or Oksana Bauil. I think Sasha would be amazing doing Lori's work, and do it better justice than some of Lori's previous pupils *cough, cough*.
Please PM me with any information.

Some of Lori's previous pupils are Olympic medalists, e.g. S&Z

Michelle Kwan? She has 2 Olympic medals, 5 world gold, 3 world silver? and a world bronze
Tara was briefly Lori's pupil and she is an Olympic gold medalist.
I say some of Lori's previous pupils are doing well, considering their absolute achievement, and age adjusted achievement. They certainly did some of the best justice to Lori's work. IMHO, much better (in term of age adjusted achievement) than cough cough eh..... ;) some other skaters as suggested to be Lori's future pupils.

loveskating

08-06-2004, 12:33 PM

It would be awesome if Sasha was working with Lori Nichol, or Oksana Bauil. I think Sasha would be amazing doing Lori's work, and do it better justice than some of Lori's previous pupils *cough, cough*.
Please PM me with any information.

I too thought Lori maybe thought she could overcome some things with some skaters (I do not mean Michelle) that she couldn't.

Her transformation of Michelle was legendary, but it does't always work like that, I guess.

loveskating

08-06-2004, 12:36 PM

How many Robin programmes has she had? She kept Malaguena and Romeo & Juliet (both Tarasova) from 03 for the 04 season, and her LP was originally Tarasova but was changed by Robin. Has Robin done her any other programmes other than the second Swan Lake? (I don't get to see COI or anything, which is why I ask. Unless you've seen Sasha's new programmes with Robin, or something.)

I was referring to the fact that Robin considerably changed Sasha's LP last season after becoming Sasha's coach late in the season...

Anyway, this stuff about scarf patterns and rumors and all...its TOOOO tempting.

Someone, give us more hints! We have to have something fun to do till September!

With the scarf thing, I'm thinking is she going to bleed (cuz I don't think she would go skating around carrying a scarf)? If so, then I'm thinking Tosca or Madama Butterfly or "in what does a woman get shot"?

Well, for an exhibition number, seh might have a flowing scarf...I'll take that back. :frus:

Joe Impressive

08-06-2004, 12:57 PM

:frus: Hmmmm....Maybe can you give us a hint, like a riddle. That way you wouldn't be telling us, but if we figure it out, then we did it on our own. :D

Joe Impressive 8-)

Schmeck

08-06-2004, 08:43 PM

There's nothing official. The only thing we know is that she is going to have a 2:50 sp. Someone also mentioned that Sasha and Robin were looking at scarf patterns so that's a possibility of costume rumors.

I can't help it - but this 'looking at scarf patterns' just reminds me of that silly movie - Romy and Michelle's Reunion - or whatever it's called. At the end, after a bit of enlightening conversation :roll: they say to each other "let's go fold scarves..."

skatepixie

08-07-2004, 02:10 AM

Hmmm...I think she is keeping My Fair Lady.

Bleeding wouldnt involve a pattern really bacuse wouldnt it just be solid red?

danibellerika

08-07-2004, 08:42 AM

Alright then. Well I wish they would update her stats soon on isu.org b/c as of 3/27 Morozov is said to be her choreographer.

http://www.isufs.org/bios/isufs00004247.htm

In Sasha's latest journal entry, she states that everything is finished both programs and costumes. They are just putting on some finishing touches.

http://www.sashacohen.com/journal.shtml

One thing is for sure. She looks as if she wants to get the most out of the CoP. I wonder why she isn't mentioning the choreographer though and I wonder when she is just going to spill what she's skating to and put my fears to rest.

LETHESK8NBEGIN

08-07-2004, 12:33 PM

no its not morosov and its not wagner...i know this because it is my choreographer too...but as you said my lips are sealed for now.

PrityinPinkSK8R, do you also know what her music is? Thanks

IceAlisa

08-07-2004, 03:15 PM

hmm, I wonder if skatepixie is right that Sasha has turned MFL into an LP or SP...

LETHESK8NBEGIN

08-07-2004, 05:52 PM

Well I think that would be a splendid program if she did...the music from My Fair Lady is great...I haven't seen Sasha's program...but I absolutely loved Tara's back when she skated to it.

icesk8rchiq

08-07-2004, 06:27 PM

Redvispa

08-07-2004, 07:53 PM

I don't think that it could be Lori Nichol --- she is already working with Jenny Kirk and Fumie Suguri and Nichol has always been super loyal with the people she works with. I can't imagine that she would be working with 3 major contenders. Also, there hasn't been any news to suggest that Sasha spent time in Canada in the last couple of months and Lori Nichol doesn't travel too often to work with skaters (I remember reading in article where Michelle mentioned that it was becoming increasingly difficult to travel to Canada to work with Nichol)

I wonder who the choreographer is.......

skatepixie

08-08-2004, 04:07 PM

hmm, I wonder if skatepixie is right that Sasha has turned MFL into an LP or SP...Thats not what I meant. I meant that she is keeping it as an exhibition.

IceAlisa

08-09-2004, 02:42 PM

OK, I guess we are back to square one, not knowing anything about Sasha's programs. Oh well. May be we'll know more after the Sun Valley event.

danibellerika

08-09-2004, 05:34 PM

Is anybody that posts on boards planning to go to Sun Valley?

LETHESK8NBEGIN

08-09-2004, 09:51 PM

I am thinking (pure speculation) that it may be posted on the USFSA site first, then her site..if she is using her new programs in Sun Valley I would think she would announce them first. However it is possible she may be using My Fair Lady in Sun Valley.

danibellerika

08-10-2004, 11:36 AM

I believe that she used Swan Lake at Sun Valley last year and I don't think that she had formally announced it yet, so it's still up in the air I guess.

prunes89

08-10-2004, 11:45 AM

There is speculation that Sasha may be doing Salome. It was a program done by MK before. I bet Sasha could do a better job with it though! I hope this is true.

Chrystia Mee

08-10-2004, 12:16 PM

There is speculation that Sasha may be doing Salome. It was a program done by MK before. I bet Sasha could do a better job with it though! I hope this is true.

Ick no! I really hope none of the music rumours I've heard for Sasha are true because I haven't liked any of them. Besides I don't think Sasha would want to skate to music that would compare her to Michelle Kwan any more than she is compared to her already. I am personally hoping Sasha will find music that hasn't been used often or at all. It'd be more interesting I think. What was wrong with Michelle's Salome though? That one of her best programs especially compared to Tosca.

loveskating

08-10-2004, 03:37 PM

I don't know-- but I was thinking about who could have choreographed Sasha's program(s), and it struck me that maybe Nina Petrenko could have. Just a tiny little thought, I honestly have no idea though.

LOL..you are going with the previously mentioned "scarves shopping" into a veil, right, like Oksana's professional program (I forget the name of that one, but she wore purple pants, and had a mask/veil on).

Salome could have a veil, too, I guess, did in real life.

Alas, we we are all in the dark on this one. Only a few more weeks to go, right? Does anticipation really make something better?

danibellerika

08-10-2004, 05:40 PM

Ick no! I really hope none of the music rumours I've heard for Sasha are true because I haven't liked any of them. Besides I don't think Sasha would want to skate to music that would compare her to Michelle Kwan any more than she is compared to her already. I am personally hoping Sasha will find music that hasn't been used often or at all. It'd be more interesting I think. What was wrong with Michelle's Salome though? That one of her best programs especially compared to Tosca.

Agreed. I am no Kwan fan, but Salome doesn't even need to be touched again after she's done it (that is one of the very few programs that I liked from Michelle), just like Turnadot doesn't need to be touched again(that was the fear from the earlier post, but since the bag has been opened, I can talk about it). S&Z's version has a special place in my heart that no other version will match or surpass. There are SOOOOO many beautiful pieces of music out there that it's a shame to hear the same stuff over and over again.

PrityinPinkSK8R

08-10-2004, 06:40 PM

PrityinPinkSK8R, do you also know what her music is? Thanks
im not sure of the name(just forgot it) but its a kinda popular one for one of her programs

IceAlisa

08-10-2004, 07:08 PM

Please dear God, please don't let it be Turandot... :bow: :bow: :bow:

LETHESK8NBEGIN

08-10-2004, 08:36 PM

There is speculation that Sasha may be doing Salome. It was a program done by MK before. I bet Sasha could do a better job with it though! I hope this is true.

There was actually no speculation of Sasha using Salome...just a poster stating she hoped the "scarves" comment didn't mean she was using Salome.

Dani, yeah I think she did skate to Swan Lake at last year's Sun Valley.

Joe Impressive

08-11-2004, 12:36 PM

Hello,

I've been trying to figure out who Sasha's supposed 'choreographer who isn't Robin' is, and have had many reasons to believe it to be, as one poster suggested, Nina Petrenko. Here's why I am guessing this:

*Sasha never mentioned going anywhere to have her programs done, which she probably would've done. Nina is right in her location, in fact, didn't the Petrenkos move to New Jersey?

*Sylvia Fontana's at Sasha's rink and her programs are generaly done by Nina. If she can come to the rink for Sylvia she can make it for Sasha, too.

*Sasha stayed with the Petrenkos while commuting to NJ at the beginning working with Robin. She obviously knows them, then, and perhaps Robin set it up, meaning she knows them, also.

*Many posters have said they have Sasha's choreographer as a coach/choreographer. This most likely rules out Lori Nichol or anyone like that because they are very selective in who they work with. Also, Lori Nichol doesn't coach.

Just speculating , but it does kind of fit, eh? ;)

Schmeck

08-11-2004, 01:21 PM

Lori Nichol used to coach.

fadedstardust

08-11-2004, 03:15 PM

The Petrenkos didn't move to New Jersey.

dr.frog

08-11-2004, 03:22 PM

*Sasha never mentioned going anywhere to have her programs done, which she probably would've done.

Sasha herself may never have mentioned going anywhere, but there were reports all over the net a month or so that she was seen in the Detroit area. ;)

Joe Impressive

08-11-2004, 05:00 PM

Hmmmm....I didn't know she was seen in Detroit. That's interesting. I remember hearing somewhere that the Petrenkos had left Simsbury, but if that's not true it was just what I had heard. ;) It's just speculation anyway. :lol: I'm stumped and fusterated :frus: with all the people saying that they know the music, but just don't say. :cry: I just thought I'd share any speculation that I had.

Joe Impressive 8-)

fadedstardust

08-12-2004, 01:33 AM

Nope, Petrenkos very much still there except for Victor. He left, but not to New Jersey. I have no idea what Sasha's music is. I wouldn't tell if I did, but I don't, so I'm of no help. I'm sure I'll love it though, because I always love her choices, despite how overdone they may be. I too, hope it is not Turandot. But I doubt it. And if I were to guess, I'd truly believe Robin was choreographing. I mean, it'd make sense. Or maybe Sasha is choreographing the bulk of it- she's done that before. We'll know soon. :)

danibellerika

08-12-2004, 09:45 AM

Ok, this is what I have heard.

SP: Dark Eyes

LP: The Nutcracker

If this is true, I'm ok with that. She could do some nice footwork in the Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies part.

dr.frog

08-12-2004, 10:47 AM

SP: Dark Eyes

LP: The Nutcracker

Such creativity! Such originality! :roll:

danibellerika

08-12-2004, 10:56 AM

Well by now it shouldn't be a suprise. Sasha almost next to never does anything that hasn't been out there before which is why I feared it could be Turnadot. I'd have been more excited had it been something original, but I don't expect that from her so now all that's left to do is see what happens with the programs themselves.

I do firmly believe though that there is just too much beautiful music out there to keep hearing the same stuff over and over again.

IceAlisa

08-12-2004, 11:00 AM

I think a skaters level of comfort with a piece of music, combined with well thought out strategy is more important than digging up some unknown piece of music. I agree that originality is great, but I think it's more important that Sasha is happy and is inspired by her selections.

danibellerika

08-12-2004, 11:03 AM

Yeah, but it would be nice to see a top level skate go out there and skate to something different. I think that could inspire others to do it as well. They'd actually look around and find great stuff and not just keep to a certain pool of music that's around.

NorthernLite

08-12-2004, 11:13 AM

Such creativity! Such originality! :roll:
I like both pieces of music (love Nutcracker). But I could name two or three skates that I already count among all-time fave performances using the Tchaikovsky.
I was hoping the Robin Wagner who got Sarah to try Daphnis & Bayadere would have more influence on Sasha's choices. :( Sasha needs to get out of her comfort zone. (I keep saying something like a "jazzy," modern-dance-y look would suit her very well.)

Was it only a few years ago when at least a few ladies were doing unique, signature programs. :P

Louis

08-12-2004, 01:51 PM

If Cohen is really using Dark Eyes, this will be the third time she has used the music. She used it as her short program as a novice in 1997-1998 and her free skate as a senior in 2000-2001.

Chrystia Mee

08-12-2004, 01:59 PM

If Cohen is really using Dark Eyes, this will be the third time she has used the music. She used it as her short program as a novice in 1997-1998 and her free skate as a senior in 2000-2001.

That's not so unusual for skaters to reuse music they like particularly. Kwan's used East of Eden several times. Besides Dark Eyes would probably work better now that she's older and skates with more maturity.

prunes89

08-12-2004, 08:16 PM

Oh no! Not recycling the SP again? :roll: Sasha has a tendancy to reuse SP's, but I was hoping after using the same SP 2 years in a row, she'd have had plenty of time to think of a new one. Darn it all!
Didn't Jenny Kirk just skate to The Nutcracker last season? Or season before? I hope there won't be any comparisons. I really wanted to see Sasha stretch and do something nobody else has done.
I know Sasha will do justice to both programs though.

LETHESK8NBEGIN

08-12-2004, 08:50 PM

HELLO! Dark Eyes and The Nutcracker are just specualtion and guesses...none of us know for sure if that is what she is using. I thought you all knew it was just somone's guess...since someone on another board said she was reusing a piece of music from earlier in her caree. Dark Eyes was guessed because none of us really saw it as she was injured the season she used it.

Also there is no proof this person is even telling the truth.

skatepixie

08-13-2004, 02:21 AM

I want to see her do Dark Eyes. She never really got to do her best with it as her long because of injury, and it just seems like great music for her.

As for a long, Id like to see either Sleeping Beauty, Geiselle, or part of Ballinchine's (sp) Jewels ballet.

danibellerika

08-13-2004, 08:28 AM

She will be announcing her music next week and as I figured, she will be performing them at Sun Valley.

http://www.sashacohen.com/journal.shtml

She seems just as hyped about the Olys as me :lol:

danibellerika

08-15-2004, 11:54 PM

Well, it's here:

http://www.sashacohen.com/journal.shtml

Well it's nice to finally have it official. I had a feeling that when she said next week, she meant Sunday. She went very very very Russian I see. Possible worlds strategy I suppose. We'll see what happens. Good Luck Sasha!

One thing though. She said that she was settled on her costumes in an earlier journal, and now she's saying that she's still working on them.

skatepixie

08-16-2004, 01:06 AM

Ummm....shes a woman. Corse she changes her mind about clothes. You cant tell me you're shocked...

nuggetr

08-16-2004, 07:37 AM

danibellerika

08-16-2004, 11:54 AM

Ummm how about we all calm down. It's not that serious so no need to get bent outta shape. I was just noting what I thought I had remembered her saying. :roll:

*Edit* Anyways, didn't Igor do her tango program that she never got to perform? I just checked her archives and he indeed did. I wonder if Sasha will still do it at all since she's still tied to him. *Fingers crossed that it's her ex for next seasons COI*

Canadian Chick

08-16-2004, 09:50 PM

Thank Goddness that's here. Between all the speculations everywhere things were getting confusing.

skatepixie

08-17-2004, 02:18 AM

Marina makes me think of her super cute son... *gushes*

dmr65

08-18-2004, 02:37 PM

Well, as with B&S.... As long as it's Anton and Lena, I'll love it.. But, really.. I love Sasha's presence so much, I am happy about both the SP and LP choices... Not a fan of NM, but as long as it's Sasha... I love Marina Zoueva... I think sometimes a master coach or choreographer such a M. Zoueva talents can get lost on a skater or skaters who do not fit her style or they hers... I hope Sasha's leaning towards the Russian style of skating will blend with Zoueva's visions... I am extremely happy of this pairing, so I am very optimistic... :halo: