Figure skating chief pleased with new scoring system

[IceDanceSk8er]

http://www.beaufortgazette.com/24hour/sports/story/1141185p-7948528c.html

[SkateFan123]

Originally posted by IceDanceSk8er
http://www.beaufortgazette.com/24hour/sports/story/1141185p-7948528c.html

Here's a link to a very good set of points about CoP. Read all the articles. The writer makes some very good points.

http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/current/content/cop_revisited.htm

[Schmeck]

Quote from the linked article:

"It is not just the number of votes that are important. It is more important for the ISU to be confident that we can rely on a system that is working," Cinquanta said. "So far we are of this opinion."



To me, this sounds like Cinquanta is going to force the new scoring system down everyone's throats, whether it has the necessary number of votes or not!

[IceDanceSk8er]

Originally posted by Schmeck
Quote from the linked article:

"It is not just the number of votes that are important. It is more important for the ISU to be confident that we can rely on a system that is working," Cinquanta said. "So far we are of this opinion."
To me, this sounds like Cinquanta is going to force the new scoring system down everyone's throats, whether it has the necessary number of votes or not!

Just out of curiosity, is George Rossano a world judge? ISU judge? What exactly are his credentials?

[IceDanceSk8er]

Originally posted by Bondo
Ick, that analysis leaves much to be desired. It seems to be written by a radically anti-CoP person/group. They find five good points and like 30 bad points. Sorry, the system isn't that bad. Not to say there aren't a few things that need to be addressed, but many of the items they put in Bad/Ugly (such as "insurmontable SP lead") are idiotic. If there is an insurmontable lead after the SP, that isn't a failure of the system, that is a failure of all the skaters but the one in first place who earned their lead.

I don't think the ISU will just vote the CoP in and leave it as is. I think every year it will receive slight tweaks making it better and better. But as is it is still 10x better than the 6.0 system.

Rossano has never had anything good to say about CoP. He's just another WSF supporter.

[icyboid]

Some of his "statistics" just don't make sense either.

Analysis of the judges marks in the Grand Prix shows that to achieve a 95% confidence level (that currently exists in the 6.0 systems), marks between successive places must exceed 1-1.5 points. Under CoP, skaters with point differences of less than 1 point are statistically tied. CoP, however, calculates points to the nearest 0.01 point, which is mathematically absurd.

Since when have we seen differences of more than 1.0-1.5 points between successive places?:roll:

I also found it interesting that he makes a point like "Emphasis on jumps and reduction in importance of presentation." and totally misses bigger problems like judges not deducting .5 from Performance/Execution for every fall, how presentation is subjective enough to hold upskaters who fall in the short program, or how the 5 presentation scores for the same skater seem to lack range.

[loveskating]

Originally posted by Schmeck
Quote from the linked article:

"It is not just the number of votes that are important. It is more important for the ISU to be confident that we can rely on a system that is working," Cinquanta said. "So far we are of this opinion."



To me, this sounds like Cinquanta is going to force the new scoring system down everyone's throats, whether it has the necessary number of votes or not!

How would that be possible when the article says that 2/3 of the FIGURE SKATING votes are necessary to accept the system?

[Schmeck]

loveskating, what I meant was, before there is even a vote, Cinquanta has been quoted in this article as saying that "we are of this opinion" that CoP is the only way to go. He has decided that this is what is going to be, and that's that. And I don't put it past Cinquanta to tweak things so that the vote goes his way. For example, there was another link here (I'll search for it if anyone asks) to an article where Cinquanta wanted all members of the ISU (Figure Skating and Speed Skating) to vote on FS interests, since a lot of ISU money was involved.

I guess I just don't trust this guy any further than I could throw him (and since he probably weighs twice as much as I do, that wouldn't be too far, unless there was a handy cliff near, LOL!)

Schmeck

[loveskating]

I would like that link, because I don't trust a LOT of people, LOL!

I could see in SOME matters where everyone should vote...allocations of resources, things like that...NOT on rules or technical committee stuff in either discipline, I would think? IMHO it would be nutso for figure skating folk to vote on regs and rules for speed skaters, and vice versa.

I like the COP better, myself...but most of all, I'm just glad the USFSA is taking this seriously, is PREPARED, because I am sure that a reasonable, serious debate will only do good. I just hope everyone is listening to everyone else because I don't want all this splitting and some skaters hurt, and not to see international skaters.