View Full Version : International Figure Skating Challange.!.!. (SPOILERS)
kimori
12-05-2003, 11:14 PM
Men!
1.)Plushenko
2.)Buttle
3.)Wiess
4.)Goebel
Women!
1.)Kwan
2.)Arakawa
3.)Cohen
4.)Robinson
5.)Kirk
6.)AP
7.)Sokolova
The womens competition was a slupmfest all of the ladies fell! J Ro and Jenny was way more deserving to have the bronze than sasha she fell 3 times and stumbled!
Giselle
12-06-2003, 06:26 AM
:( about ssha
spence1988
12-06-2003, 08:42 AM
Heres my report for the ladies...
1.Kwan-double lutz, triple loop, triple flip, double axel, triple saw, triple toe, triple lutz (fall). Nice choreography, a little slow but more controlled then the other skaters.
2.Arakawra-triple lutz-double toe, triple flip, triple loop, triple salchow, single axel, single lutz, triple toe. Very strong skate, pretty fast its to bad she fell a part at the end with the popped jumps.
3.Cohen-triple lutz (fall), triple flip (fall), triple loop (steped out), double axel, triple salchow, triple flip (fall), triple toe. She just fell apart. She seemed fine in warm-up. Really dissapointing performance from her although it received decent marks for it.
4.Robinson-triple lutz (step out), triple flip, triple salchow-single loop, triple lutz (cheated), triple loop, triple salchow-double toe, triple toe, double axel. Pretty steady performance from her. However she skated very slow.
5.Kirk-triple flip-double toe, triple toe-triple toe, triple lutz (fall), triple loop, triple flip (fall out), double salchow, shaky double axel. She looked very fast and confident until the first fall, then she kind of tightened up.
6.McDonough-double lutz, triple flip (fall), double loop, double salchow, triple toe (fall), triple lutz, double axel. Nice choreography but didn't hit the jumps. She was also having trouble with them in her warm-up.
7.Sokolova- triple lutz (opened up after 2.5 revolutions and on two feet), double flip, double loop, triple salchow (fall), double lutz, triple toe, double axel. Very disapointing performance from her. Very rushed performance.
kimori
12-06-2003, 12:10 PM
There was a patch of ice that was wet and most of the ladies fell on that patch!
sk8er1964
12-06-2003, 05:53 PM
Poor Jenny Kirk fell in her warm up on the one spot, and knocked out the barrier in front of Uncle Dick and Peggy.
I was very impressed with Buttle and Arakawa.
Is AP hurt? She skated very tentatively, not fighting for the triples that she did try, and not even trying on most. Her costume, BTW, which I think looks awful on tv, is beautiful on the ice.
candace
12-06-2003, 07:34 PM
No one said anything about the ice being bad. It was pretty good. But wet is some of the corners. I was back stage and I heard nothing about the ice.
spence1988
12-06-2003, 08:49 PM
In sasha cohens interview with peter carruthers she did mention the ice was very wet
MQSeries
12-07-2003, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by sk8er1964
Is AP hurt? She skated very tentatively, not fighting for the triples that she did try, and not even trying on most.
It's hard to tell if AP's string of poor performances this year is due to injury or to puberty. Her body has matured. The imperfect techniques, e.g. hooked landings, lean on jumps, that didn't affect her when she was a tiny kid are perhaps now catching up with her.
PAskate
12-07-2003, 02:17 PM
Actually, the ice was only very slightly wet right at the skater's entrance. In fact, Sasha's falls were clear on the other end of the ice. Her interview comments didn't really make sense to the people in the arena. With Michelle's fall, she clearly hit a rut going backward and that is what caused her fall - not the wet area.
danibellerika
12-07-2003, 05:20 PM
Wet ice could have slowed her down and not given her the speed she needed to hit the jumps(still she's supposed to know how to deal with that though). Her two flips and her lutz are on two different sides of the rink though am I wrong?
Originally posted by MQSeries
It's hard to tell if AP's string of poor performances this year is due to injury or to puberty.
Wow, puberty is a very private thing and I think it's best not to speculate about it on a public board. (Besides, isn't AP around 18 years old, not 12 or 13? In other words, I think your statement is probably inaccurate, in addition to being inappropriate to discuss publicly.)
IceKween
12-07-2003, 10:10 PM
Uh, what exactly is private about puberty? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard! It's obvious and very public. She has filled out, and I think that comment is dead on. She was able to deal with her tilted jumps and underrotations when she weighed 100 pounds. An extra five to ten pounds of filling out is disaster for her.
I'm worried for her. She also doesn't seem (pure speculation of my part) to have the heart to progress to the next level. She seems so disinterested in what she's doing.
Originally posted by IceKween
Uh, what exactly is private about puberty? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard! It's obvious and very public. She has filled out, and I think that comment is dead on. She was able to deal with her tilted jumps and underrotations when she weighed 100 pounds. An extra five to ten pounds of filling out is disaster for her.
The dumbest thing you ever heard? Really?
If you think that someone gained weight (or, perhaps grew taller) and it is affecting their jumps, that's one thing. Weight gain is not the same thing as puberty. Whether or not someone is going through puberty IS a private thing (and for both boys and girls, involves some changes that are NOT visible to others), and public speculation about it is not needed.
MQSeries
12-08-2003, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by Roma
The dumbest thing you ever heard? Really?
If you think that someone gained weight (or, perhaps grew taller) and it is affecting their jumps, that's one thing. Weight gain is not the same thing as puberty. Whether or not someone is going through puberty IS a private thing (and for both boys and girls, involves some changes that are NOT visible to others), and public speculation about it is not needed.
Not the dumbest... just one of the dumbest.
As IceKween mentioned, it's obvious to anyone with eyesight that AP's body has changed. I think the change is due to her body maturing, and I think it's affecting her techniques. There's nothing wrong with what I wrote. I'm not speculating anything about AP's private live, just writing my guess why she's having trouble this season.
Originally posted by MQSeries
[B]Not the dumbest... just one of the dumbest.
I read a lot of things I disagree with on this board, and I have never once stooped to saying that something someone else said was 'dumb', 'the dumbest', etc. And what I said was not dumb in any way.
Saying that someone's body type has changed is NOT the same thing as speculating whether they are going through puberty (that is, whether they are undergoing the process of physical sexual and reproductive maturation.)
I agree that to wonder whether someone who is physically taller or heavier is struggling with jumps is not private, but this is not what your post said. You speculated on whether she was undergoing puberty which IS a private matter. It is not dumb, but rather reasonable, for me to recognize that speculation on whether someone is going through puberty is inappropriate, especially for a public forum.
MQSeries
12-08-2003, 08:50 AM
One of the effect of puberty is that the body does change. So to me, puberty has hit AP.
Your disagreement proves to me that someone is always going to be offended by something. I'm sure if I said that AP has gained weight someone will be offended by that too. Too bad. Not my problem to worry about. I stand by what I said originally about why I think AP is having technical problem this year, and this is the last thing I will say about this subject under this topic.
Originally posted by MQSeries
One of the effect of puberty is that the body does change. So to me, puberty has hit AP.
Your disagreement proves to me that someone is always going to be offended by something. I'm sure if I said that AP has gained weight someone will be offended by that too. Too bad. Not my problem to worry about. I stand by what I said originally about why I think AP is having technical problem this year, and this is the last thing I will say about this subject under this topic.
First, me disagreeing with you in no way implies that I am OFFENDED by what you said about AP. I am not offended, I simply disagree. (However I do think that you calling me dumb was out of line.)
Having said that, I do think that although there are many, many topics that are fair game in reference to skaters' performance, speculation about puberty IS too personal. I would imagine that many teens would find this topic no one else's business but their own.
Finally, weight gain can occur without puberty, and puberty can occur with out weight gain. So I am merely suggesting that if you are going to opine about whether someone's present body type is conducive to good jumping, I see nothing wrong with that. But you can do it without further speculation that the person is undergoing the very private process of puberty.
Originally posted by Bondo
When I saw AP at Southwesterns this fall (she was watching not skating) she did look much more mature (facially) than when I've seen her in the past both a year ago at CoI and in High School a few years before that. So I do think it is reasonable to think she has felt the effects of puberty the past year.
Huh? People's faces age from the moment they are born until the moment they die. Facial aging is no more characteristic of puberty than of any other age. A 6 year-old looks a whole lot older than she did at the age of 4, and an 70 year old looks a whole lot older than she did at 50. According to your argument, they must be going through puberty, too.
Originally posted by Bondo
She was also taller than I remember...
So are you are you agreeing with me (remember--babies,too, get taller), disagreeing with me, or none of the above? ;)
ummm...actually...unless AP is a really late bloomer, puberty should have hit a few years back when she was 12 or 13...
She may be developing or having a growth spurt, but puberty is NOT a factor here...unless, like I said, she's got some issues. An 18 year old should NOT be going through puberty, but she might still be developing, but even her developing stage is coming to an end.
skatepixie
12-08-2003, 11:53 PM
ITA with bondo.
Also, certan forms of weight redistribution occur only with puberty. If you catch my drift...
spence1988
12-09-2003, 12:52 AM
Roma, did u have an unfortunate incident with puberty in your life which caused you to know take it out on everyone on this board. You have a right to your very unpopular opinion but you made your statement lets move on! If people think that someone going through puberty is causing them to struggle with skating they have their right to mention it. Leave it to the forum monitors to decide whats appropriate for this board!
from dictionary.com
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=puberty
puberty
\Pu"ber*ty\, n. [L. pubertas, fr. puber, pubes, adult: cf. F. pubert['e].] 1. The earliest age at which persons are capable of begetting or bearing children, usually considered, in temperate climates, to be about fourteen years in males and twelve in females.
http://www.nursingworld.org/mods/archive/mod4/ceah2.htm
She grew...period...who cares what caused it...hopefully it doesn't cause her problems in the long run.
Originally posted by spence1988
Roma, did u have an unfortunate incident with puberty in your life which caused you to know take it out on everyone on this board. You have a right to your very unpopular opinion but you made your statement lets move on! If people think that someone going through puberty is causing them to struggle with skating they have their right to mention it. Leave it to the forum monitors to decide whats appropriate for this board!
No I did not have any unfortunate incident. In fact my teen years were very happy, as are my adult years.
Your statement that I have 'taken things out on everyone on this board' is absolutely incorrect. If anything, the reverse is true, since 2 posters used the word 'dumbest' in response to my opinion.
Just because my opinion may be unpopular in this forum, does not mean that it is incorrect. I happen to think that SOME things about skaters lives are not fair game for public discussion and I ofered my opinion. (evidently Kemy agrees - read his/her post.)
And, as with all posters, I will move on when I decide to move on. I fully intended to offer my opinion ONCE, but when three posters disagreed with me - two of them by using the term 'dumbest' - I exercised MY prerogative to reply.
The moderators have not set limits on the number of times a poster can reply to a single thread - as evidenced by the numerous posters who have posted FAR MORE to a single thread than I have posted here.
The moderators, not you, determine how many times I or any other poster can post.
Arsenette
12-09-2003, 10:29 AM
Guys.. can we get back on topic? I'd like to know about the cheesefest myself and don't need to hear about whether or not someone is gaining weight! I'm too tired to start deleting posts but please get back on topic - this is supposed to be about competition results.
Skatingsarah
12-09-2003, 11:24 AM
NO SASHA!
Hopefully she is getting it out of her system now!! I hate to say it but this reminds me of last year. Where she kicked butt in the Grand Prix Curcuit and then fell apart going into nats and worlds... But NO this isnt going to happen again this year... Just a little hiccup right guys...lol!
ceceB
12-09-2003, 02:20 PM
Skatingsarah, I think it's just a hiccup. I think she's better trained that ever, and better for her to get this out of her system now. I think (like someone else said) that a bad performance tends to spur on more, and lets all be happy this splatfest happened here.
Way to go Jeffery! I'm glad that he's proving that his great showing this season was no fluke.
jpeach
12-09-2003, 07:48 PM
Whatever happened to the three-post limit?
skatepixie
12-09-2003, 11:53 PM
what's the three post limit?
I think it was a fluke. Just MHO, though. Whats important is that she take it and learn from it. If she does that, then it will actually be a *good* thing that this happened.
icyboid
12-10-2003, 12:30 AM
The three post limit means that if someone hasn't made their point by the third post, they probably never will, so they should stop posting by then.
I wouldn't discredit Sasha's statements completely...after all, every lady had a major mistake of some sort that night.
skatepixie
12-10-2003, 09:43 AM
Ive made a point after a 3rd post. But, hey, pixies are special ;)
I heard that the 1st lutz fall was right in the puddle.....
CarolA0923
12-13-2003, 04:58 PM
I am going to get slammed for this, but
EXCUSE ME, but isn't the wet ice the same excuse Sasha used at Worlds. Granted the ice there was like a swimming pool, but ALL of the skaters were on the same "wet ice". One end did look wet on TV, but Sasha fell on BOTH ends. I do agree with the results. Sasha just flat out looks better on the ice then Jennifer Robinson (presentation still counts!)
nyskatefan
12-13-2003, 05:53 PM
Well, I guess it could have been the wet ice ... or maybe it was the stuffed cars on the ice. Yeah, that's probably it.
So far this thread has been a big discussion of skater's problems etc. Did no one notice the fabulous Jeff Buttle? His program was challenging and artistic and executed almost flawlessly. I've never seen anyone do a triple lutz from a spread eagle before. Pretty impressive, IMO.
icedancer2
12-13-2003, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by dbny
So far this thread has been a big discussion of skater's problems etc. Did no one notice the fabulous Jeff Buttle? His program was challenging and artistic and executed almost flawlessly. I've never seen anyone do a triple lutz from a spread eagle before. Pretty impressive, IMO.
Jeff Buttle's performance was awesome -- I am excited about this skater!!
(I believe Brian Boitano does a 3lutz out of a spread eagle, although I don't remember if jeff approaches it the same way -- I will have to see it again!! -- yea!)
danibellerika
12-13-2003, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by CarolA0923
I am going to get slammed for this, but
EXCUSE ME, but isn't the wet ice the same excuse Sasha used at Worlds. Granted the ice there was like a swimming pool, but ALL of the skaters were on the same "wet ice". One end did look wet on TV, but Sasha fell on BOTH ends. I do agree with the results. Sasha just flat out looks better on the ice then Jennifer Robinson (presentation still counts!)
Well what do you expect for Sasha to say? I don't think she was blaming all of her falls totally on the wet ice, but it probably didn't help her. Jenny fell in a nice puddle herself. Wet ice doesn't excuse that performance though, but Sasha doesn't owe any of us an explanation especially when she probably couldn't even explain it to herself what had happened just yet.
RobinA
12-13-2003, 08:48 PM
I don't know if wet ice was an excuse Sasha was using, but to me it was clear the ice was wet by the way the girls were walking around with giant water stains on their tights. This doesn't happen unless you are splating in puddles.
Originally posted by skatepixie
Ive made a point after a 3rd post. But, hey, pixies are special ;)
So are Romas! :)
I got home late and missed the men (Darn!) But if Jeff Buttle skated anything like he did during the Grand Prix, he must have been great. I find him and Van Der Perrin to be among the most exciting men this year.
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