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Bryan
10-22-2003, 08:33 PM
Is it just me, or is anyone else tired of his straight-line footwork sequences? After watching Campbell's, it really became apparent to me that we're getting a lot of cookie-cutter programs.

I know it's the trend to use a certain choreographer when he's had such success (Yagudin), but come on, all his "start and stop" straight-line footwork sequences all look the same now! You can see it coming a mile away--like others have said before, it's as if the skater is stopping in the middle of a program to say, "Look! I'm going to do my footwork now!" I find that the footwork doesn't really fit into many of the programs either.

CoP experts--is straight-line footwork worth more than circular/serpentine footwork sequences?

Tony Wheeler
10-22-2003, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by Bryan

CoP experts--is straight-line footwork worth more than circular/serpentine footwork sequences?

No, they are all worth the same amounts for each of the three levels (2.0, 3.1, 3.4). I, too, am tired of seeing the footwork, especially since he's now gone to skaters that can't really pull it off that well and struggle through the whole thing. I can't see any of these sequences getting above level 1, at least none that I saw at Campbells.

roogu
10-22-2003, 09:30 PM
Problem with Morozov's footwork is that it's painfully easy mainly due to the lack of speed ... of course it's easier to do fast steps when you're moving at a snail's pace ... even Alexei said it was easy in one of those "Ice Moves" segments that ABC does.

Also with the number of skaters who do it now, it just makes Morozov's choreography look stale ... which it already was in the beginning, but now it's visibly apparent. He does decent stuff for dance but I said this at the beginning, he is horrible when it comes to singles choreography.

Whatever happened to the old days where speed, edges AND toe work were combined a la Kurt? Le sigh.

what?meworry?
10-22-2003, 09:43 PM
i can see how overexposure could make his choreography look stale really fast. especially for his increasing number of "me-too" skaters and teams.

i remember the point at which igor's teams all began to look "formula" except, of course, for his "stars."

Tony Wheeler
10-22-2003, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by Bondo
Wheels...if Plushy, Tim, Takeshi, Sasha, Michelle, AP, etc can't do above level 1 footwork, who in skating can? I think you are just being...umm...wrong about CoP level interpretations.

Plenty of skaters, who actually use edges in their footwork. Also the ones that can actually do footwork on one foot rather than slamming the toe pick into the ice the whole way down the rink!

You bring up the perfect example of what happens. Having an association with Morozov to some people (judges), seems to mean an automatic difficulty in steps and great choreography. I don't feel the same at all, like roogu said, he doesn't do anything for me with the singles skaters he works with. I actually think there's several skaters that have had much better choreography before they went to him, but who would have known that based on the marks they got with his programs.

ceceB
10-22-2003, 10:17 PM
Call me the odd one out, but I enjoy his footwork more often than not.

ceceB
10-23-2003, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by Bondo
What I don't want to see is such blah footwork return to the point where you don't notice that it is footwork rather than just stroking/moves in the field. I see that a lot with the younger skaters...the footwork is just so simplistic it doesn't have much of an effect.

That's an excellent point!

supersk8er
10-23-2003, 01:17 AM
Hmm...I also think that the toe-picky footwork is starting to lose it's effect. When Yagudin did it, it was very original, but now it's just sort of getting old...Hehe...Ah, how quickly things go from being original, to being trends, to being old in our sport of skating. :P

MQSeries
10-23-2003, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by roogu
Problem with Morozov's footwork is that it's painfully easy mainly due to the lack of speed ... of course it's easier to do fast steps when you're moving at a snail's pace ... even Alexei said it was easy in one of those "Ice Moves" segments that ABC does.


That Ice Moves segment with Alexei was deceptive. Sure the sequence that Alexei showed us wasn't relatively difficult since the toes were just going back and forth, but in the actual performaces, Alexei also go sideway, backward, cw, and ccw....and those aren't easy

The problem with all of these stop-look at me- here come my fabulous footwork sequence is that skating is starting to resemble gymnastic whereas the gymnast stands a a corner of the mat and takes a deep breath before a tumbling sequence. Some of those running in a circle on the toepicks are also comical looking, reminiscent of what Sonja Henie used to do.

Kemy
10-23-2003, 12:56 PM
Well...some of them don't come to a complete stop. MK does her lutz, step, spiral with hand to ice, and then glides to the end of the rink and flows right into her footwork. Also, in her footwork sequence for last years Short, she started with her spiral sequence ending in a back spiral and started footwork that went to the end of the rink and into her straightline footwork...no stops

The running in a circle think is rather odd. I like Sasha's other than that circle thing, but is it me or does it take her a while to get from one side of the rink to the other comapred to others?

Bryan
10-23-2003, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by MQSeries
Some of those running in a circle on the toepicks are also comical looking, reminiscent of what Sonja Henie used to do.

Good, I thought I was the only one who thought that. OK, I know that AP and Sasha are both supposed to be swans, but that running in a circle thing during their footwork looks so incredibly cheesy!