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Regional Differences: Junior Power Pulls
I was browsing youtube yesterday (actually looking for Canadian Skills videos) and saw a number of skaters doing Junior moves. Some of them only did 3 sets of quick rockers on their power pulls. In my region, this would be absolutely unacceptable, to the point where skaters with any decent ice coverage or power are doing their 4th set of quick rockers very deep in the corner. Is this ok in your area?
I think this is actually a pretty significant difference in testing standard, as the 2nd and 4th set of rockers are the outside rockers that most skaters find more difficult. The judges don't expect any less speed, but skaters have to get into the pattern very quickly out of the corner and need to have tight edges and quick turns to fit the full set. Has anyone noticed other regional testing differences? |
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I noticed that too! Judges here would fail you for that. You're supposed to do two of each.
I've seen the 8-step mohawk done with a crossover instead of a cross step after the mohawk. |
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I've also seen the 8-step mohawk done with a crossover, but that's usually because a skater is doing the step incorrectly (or rushing). We emphasize the actual cross step following the mohawk and a crossover would definitely fail that particular element. |
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I'm pretty sure that those Junior Power Pulls that you are describing would not pass in my area.
I've also seen some Novice Moves test elements on youtube that would not pass here...
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(differences in terminology across the seas...) What's a cross step and how does it differ from a crossover?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_mr13IcbJk After the mohawk, it should be LBI edge (lift right foot), RBO edge (lift left foot), cross step (set left foot down over right foot). In this video, the skater leaves the left foot on the ice when she steps down on the RBO. I was taught that was incorrect. These are the correct steps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7xAqRNIgBw though she's doing the pattern in a figure eight instead of a single circle. |
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**Love how they are using an obviously HIGH level dancer to demonstrate! Those senior steps look nigh impossible--even she struggles with them. |
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For pattern differences- I do my 5 step mohawk differently from what most people on the board expected. I held the extension on step 3 in front of me instead of behind. I think the free foot is optional, so it shouldn't have affected the test (and it didn't- I passed)- but many board members were really surprised that I did it that way. I don't know if I was actually taught that, or if I just started doing it, because I don't remember "learning" the move. And my current coach, although fantastic at MITF, doesn't really know the nuances of the test structure, so she might not have known to correct it (if it's not just what everyone around here does...)
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BUT I had one (trial) judge tell me that she didn't like it that way at all and didn't see any reason to do it - they were really quite opionated!! Being that I am a judge, I would have passed me... (and yes, it passed).
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Ah- that might explain it. My current coach was a high-test dancer when she was younger!
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I kind of like the changes to Novice - the first two patterns are killer, and so much stroking is ludicrous. But twizzles? Meh. Take dance. |
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Where I'm from (Pennsylvania), everyone teaches a back extension, so the forward extension must be yet another regional difference. To each their own. |
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Re the 5-step mohawk -- my coach (an ice dancer & freestyler) also teaches the BO edge after the mohawk w/the free leg extended in front. I love the look of it and it really helps in getting the feet back together for the next step to FO. Keep it neat! Most in our area do the extension to the back. The judges all passed me on the move with very positive comments. As it says in the rule book, free leg position is optional.
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Speaking of dance, there's quite a variation in this Dutch Waltz and the way I teach the dance to my skaters, which appears about 6 second into the dance.
Notice how in the video, the skaters do a progressive, a LFO edge (stroke), and follow that with another progressive before rounding the corner with another progressive. While the skaters are doing the correct edges (progressive, LFO, RFI, progressive), all the coaches--including myself--teach that part of the dance as progressive, LFO (stroke), RFI (stroke), progressive. I've never seen it done this way before, but I guess as long as the skater skates the correct edges, which they are, the steps are correct. Again, it's all about individual interpretation. I've also heard of skaters (though not in my region) whose LFO and RFI edges toward the end of the end pattern (heading into the repeat) are a progressive rather than strokes, which is what is taught in my region. The skaters in the example video do the progressive here as well. Still, they are on the correct edges with the correct timing (1,2,3-4,5,6). |
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http://www.isa.org.au/Documents/Rule...20Patterns.pdf On a separate related note: I never really read the steps direct from the rule book before ( ), and I suddenly noticed that steps 6 to 8 form a "run", but steps 9 to 11 form a "progressive" ... I was always taught that these were the same thing??? What is the difference (if any) between a forward run and a forward progressive? The skaters in your link appear to be doing the same steps both times? |
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On the subject of the power pull/quick rockers--I've seen people do 3, I've seen people do 4 (at the same rink, same test session, and the test passed). I'm pretty sure the rulebook states 3-4 (I'm at work and don't have it in front of me otherwise I'd check). I normally do 4 and have plenty of room to fit them in but I don't have a ton of speed.
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I've found that the judges don't really make much note of this error though as the Dutch Waltz is more or less an "encouragement dance." I think us coaches pick on this more than the judges do with the beginning dances. |
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I heard that Jerod Swallow said once that if the Dutch Waltz were a Gold Dance no one would pass it, because actually it is NOT an easy dance! Good thing it's at the Preliminary level! (and BTW, the skaters in the video do it like we do in my current area and in fact one of the skaters in the video is from my area - and both of the skaters are adult competitors in Championship Dance - and I believe the guy has been the Championship Dance champion for several years now!). I also think it depends on the size of the rink. Here in Portland we have our social dance sessions in a mall rink - it is shorter and definitely not as wide as a normal NHL rink - so our patterns are definitely a bit truncated to fit into our rink - doing the Dutch Waltz on a 200 ft rink length with a "normal" width is definitely different than doing it in our small rink or even NHL-sized rink, in terms of the depth of lobe, etc., and can also affect how one might choose to do those end steps. There is quite a heated discussion going on about forward progressives over at the icedancers@yahoogroups site if anyone is interested... Now I have to go check out those Junior Power Pulls and see who is right...
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At the Broadmoor they do 4 sets 75 miles north we do 3 sets, it all depends, with 4 sets they are deeper and slower, with 3 sets they are very fast and a bit shallower. I do 3 sets I still get within 5 feet of the wall, please note this and I pulled it off the Jr moves test sheets:
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Rink size is also a factor here. In my area we have three different sized rinks--some are NHL, at least one is Olympic, and there are a few which are NHL width (85') but slightly shorter (about 185' versus 200'). That makes a HUGE difference. (My usual rink is NHL; my summer rinks are both NHL; I skate once a week at another rink with 2 surfaces, one smaller than NHL and the other Olympic but our session is on the Olympic rink; sometimes for nostalgic purposes I'll go to the rink I pretty much grew up in, which is also the smaller size, hence why I don't skate there any more). I can fit 4 patterns in no problem on the Olympic rink, usually on the NHL if I start close enough to the wall, but there is NO WAY I'd get 4 in on the smaller rink. Luckily I don't skate on the small rink more than a few times a year.
But no one regardless of where you live should be failed for only doing 3 sets of power pull/turns if the rulebook states 3-4.
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True. Perhaps its more about what judges, coaches, or skaters have come to expect for a particular region/rink.
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