3-turns at speed; left mohawks (although my right ones aren't much better); CW front crossovers; back crossovers (my behind sticks out); toe-loops (hate that jump )

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Ah, show skating!!! I do it for the glitter!

That's one of those moves I can definitely only do with a partner. And the "aaaak" sound you mention is caused by me sticking my bum in the breeze & getting most uncomfortable.

However, I am determined to master it this year, not so I can dance the Tango (although that, too, eventually), but so we can put it in our free dance!

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Good for you Annabel. I am determined to learn it too. Denis and I would like to skate together for Oberstdorf if I can learn that Tango in time. I already know the European so I am half way there. See you in Villard...

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Ann, this might sound silly, but I found the forward cross-rolls to be easy as long as I remembered to lead with my hips. Try walking pigeon-toed with your knees together, using your hips to move you, and that's sort of the concept (but on ice, and less exaggerated and silly-looking!). If the hip of the crossing-over foot moves forward before the crossover, it puts your weight over the other hip so that by the time your blade comes down, it will come down onto the correct edge.

Frank, I think I'm gonna need that advice more than NoVa after today's back crossover lesson!!! And if you passed Gold Moves, you're definitely NOT a moves klutz!!! I'm probably gonna be your moves (pauses as she almost says "Nazi") guru's worst nightmare yet...

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Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

I vote for the forward alternating 3s! It took me one retry to pass them, then they showed up again in my freestyle program and they're sometims still cruddy now!

My second vote is for the dreaded BACKSPIN! (not you, backspin ) Some days I can eke out a few, but I can never get consistent with them, which is going to freak me out for the Bronze FS test.

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Doubletoe-- this is GREAT advice for the forward cross-rolls. It's almost exactly what my secondary/moves coach told me.. and they are working fairly well. I even have reasonable speed on them. Now, do you have any more words of wisdom -- this time for the BACK cross-rolls (my least favorite part of the Silver Moves)?

Thanks!

Thin-Ice

FI rockers. I ALWAYS put my foot down.

I'm not doubletoe, but my dance coach always harped on me not to use my shoulders to turn back cross rolls. Keep them square to the short end of the boards and bend bend bend. He always wanted me to "slice" off the back of my skating foot with the other foot so I didn't wide step.

So are you guys going to do dance camp this year??

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I've got to admit that for me it's the whole set of six NISA Bronze field moves. I've not forced myself to do them since my return to ice, purely because I have taken some awful falls on them. The last thing I want right now is to land on my wrist, so I'm leaving them alone for a while. I particularly find the back inside double threes hard and the mohawk/back three turn step sequence tricky. I know that once I get back to doing them they will get easier, but for now I'm staying away. I don't want to re-injure myself before our ice panto!

Nicki

The alternating three-turns in the field. It is reasonably easy, but making sure the turn is not too early or late is a pain in the ###

Before I hated the power pulls. I refused to do it so much so my coach forced me. She placed one of my plastic guard on my other skate and had me do power pull with my left foot for 5 minutes going forward then 5 minutes backward, then the other foot. Crazy, but it worked.

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Thanks vesperholly...

I was not going to skate today; now you've inspired me to go put your advice into practice. So 'Thank you' on TWO counts! (Sometimes I need that extra push to get to the rink.. which is an hour drive.)

Those freaking double three-turns - backward & forward. I hate them. I hate them.

Oh, me too! me too! I had a coach suggest practicing backward outside pivots to help understand the feeling of the weight on the foot that picks in the ice and also the draw or "scoop" of the right free foot. (I am not sure if I am making any sense )

The 8-step mohawk sequence (it's the outside mohawk---in any context) and back cross strokes. Then there are the back inside threes, which of this particular evil threesome, I like, but just can't do well.

Hi Annabel: I plan on attending the workshops after MC this year, I am not sure what Denis' plans are yet. He will be at Oberstdorf for sure, but is reserving judgement on anything else (MC, Tallin, workshops etc). That's ok with me because I can do Solo Dance at MC and Partner Dance with Denis in Oberstdorf...

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Mine tells me to lift my free leg a little higher than I'm comfortable with as it comes off the ice. This is supposed to help me get a better back edge. He also said to practice outside Mohawks, as it's the same sort of foot position. The one helps the other, allegedly.

And a coach at another rink, I overheard telling her pupil to make sure her heels were pointed at the opposite barrier.

Mine are fairly nearly respectable now, but the cross-cuts, which is the other move in Level 3 Bronze Dance Moves, aren't. Alas....

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You are making sense! That's exactly how my coach helped fix my toe loop to get the scoop of the foot that's taking off of the back outside edge (and to get it to stay as a true back outside edge, rather than an inside, which makes for a toe waltz).

The exercise I originally had was start from a standstill. Do a FI3 on your nonpicking foot (LFI3 for CW, RFI3 for CCW). Then plant the picking toe behind you and a bit to the inside of the "print" of the BO edge and do a back pivot.

Once that is mastered, do that exercise, but add a little hop on the end, making a pivot, then a baby toe loop tacked on the end.

You'll know you're doing it right if you see a clean BO edge tracing before the takeoff, meaning a true takeoff while facing backward, with no "checkmark" shape on the end of the tracing of the takeoff edge.

This really helped me, but it took months for my body to get it. I used to hate toe loops and now I don't hate them as much!

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I'm glad I wasn't leading you totally astray on the forward cross-rolls, LOL!
On the back cross-rolls, the big secret is that you don't really "cross behind" on the "cross behind". You actually bring your foot down at 4:00/8:00 in relation to your other foot. For example, if you are on your right foot and you want to cross behind with your left foot, hold your left foot at 8:00, i.e., behind and to the outside, as though you have just landed a jump. Now point the toes and bring it down onto the ice. You'll see that it slides nicely into place behind the other one as you transfer your weight and push off onto it. Oh yeah, and you hear a lot less scraping!

Did you find that it got you into the habit of picking to the inside too much when you transferred the technique to the actual toeloop? I'm not sure if that creates a major problem on a single toeloop, but I've found it hard to do a double toeloop if I pick to the inside. I need to pick straight behind the skating foot or a little to the outside or else I feel that I don't have anything under me to take off from (and it also makes it hard to get over the right hip in the air). But I had a really crappy toeloop until I started working on doubles. It took awhile to learn to get my weight onto the toe and actually bend the knee of the picking leg before taking off. As my coach always says, "You can't jump from 'up'; you have to jump from 'down'."

Choctaws ro to li, the hard side.
Has any tried going from a back camel to a forward camel with a hop/flying? My coach saw a little Juv Jr National competitor do one and thinks I should do it? Weeee!

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The jump over spins are fun. Suggest the back camel to forward sit...

I used to be able to do camel-jump-camel, which is a forward camel with a jump to a back camel.

Now that I have my flying camel fairly consistent, maybe I should try this again

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i'm having issues with basically all my juv moves. ok not really, i just havent had time to practice them.
BUT i know i have major issues with:
back power threes. ICK. i can do it... counter-clockwise, but NOT clockwise to save my life.
well, sometime sit works. but not very often. arms just dont... work

and for double 3s, i can't keep the speed up at this point. rarrg.
blehhhh haha