Yes. That Indy.

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Hey Stormy

Its been a while since Iv been on this thing . Your web site shows an address for the rink but no Zip code , that would be handy to have for boxborough so I can map quest it and see how far it is and if I can do it.
Iv been struck with injury after Injury in the last year and still out with an ankle injury for the next month but do plan to get back into it.

Star

Oh, sure. The address of the rink is 34 Massachusetts Avenue (Route 111) Boxborough, MA 01720. Where would you be driving from? If someone were to fly in, it's about 40-45 minutes outside of Boston.

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According to this (under 2010 tab):
2010 Adult Easterns: Feb. 20-21, 2010, Hillsborough, NC, Central Carolina SC
2010 Adult Mids: March 12-14, 2010, Indianapolis, Indiana World Skating Academy, Indiana World Skating Academy - American Rink
2010 Adult Pacific Coast: March 12-14, 2010, Anaheim, CA, Glacier Falls FSC and Pasadena FSC

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Why is Easterns in February and Mids and Pacs in March??
Right now if the local club competition has the same dates as Easterns (this happened last year) I'll be forgoing Easterns and doing the home event.

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They typically try to keep them on the same date, but other factors can prevent that from happening (availability of bidding clubs' venues, availability of properly trained officials for IJS events, availability of equipment for IJS).

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Are Sectionals going to use IJS for Champ/Gold/Masters? I thought that didn't pass.

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Still on 6.0 for next year, AFAIK.

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Thanks Stormy, Assuming I can recover in the next month Ill have to work my way back with a new program , My foot and shoulder are still in a lot of pain. If Im in any condition to skate in the next 2 months it will be something . . I skated today and all I could do was go forward and backward, no spins no jumps, nothing..... When did you say that competition was ???

By the way , I may now be the oldest man in Gold mens,, I turned 50 tomorrow .....07/24. Those young fellows arre going to kill me..

True. (I was in "reasons synchro sectionals end up on different weekends" mode. Now they combined mids/pacifics to being held at one location, but when it was 3 separate sections and IJS was brand spankin new, resources were stretched thin). Probably has more to do with the venue, then.

Speaking of which, I know dropping sectionals has been discussed in the past. I wonder if synchro's solution would be a viable alternative if that ever comes up again (which I'm sure it will, it does every year). They started combining mids with pacific sectionals in '08 and so far it's worked well. Still 2 separate competitions, just held at the same time/place and divisions are run back to back (so for example, if we ever did it, the midwest champ gold round would compete, followed by the pacific, and so on. Open events could be held separate or combined so there is less combining of age classes). Might be an option if they have trouble getting clubs to bid. Economically it wasn't that big of a deal. Cost-wise, it was the same or cheaper for the San Diego/LA teams to fly into Chicago for a combined Mids/Pacs as it would have been for them to go up to Seattle for just Pacs. You could combine mids/easterns too, it wouldn't have to be mids/pacs. Then you could factor the cost of implementing IJS between just two sectional competitions rather than three, and it might make it more of a reality.

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Happy birthday, starskate! Only another 50 until you get the telegram from the Queen

It they combined Mids and Pacs, I would no longer go if it was on the west coast. Not important enough for the airfare, to me. The Colorado Springs Mids was the smallest that I've seen since I've been competing, I think for that reason.

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I don't think the Queen has ever been a figure skater..... So long as I die on the ice , age won't matter...

That's a really interesting idea. However, I think the reason why dropping Adult Sectionals is brought up so often is that it's an extremely misunderstood event. I don't know that many people (or Governing Council newbies) are aware that Sectionals is always held in conjunction with a club event, so it's not just the Championship events, and the competitions by and large are very profitable. Why drop profitable competitions just because they're small? Collegiate nationals is a small competition, and I've never heard anyone wanting to drop it.

And speaking of stretching IJS resources thin, didn't USFS schedule three Regionals concurrently? If they can stage three big Regionals at one time, they can certainly handle Adult Sectionals.

I know several synchro skaters and their coaches and families who would disagree with this. Flying to Seattle is a one or two hour flight from San Diego, while Chicago is at least three hours... and you have to deal with the time changes. None of the skaters I know who go to Pac/Mids Synchros are happy about the combined-location idea. It also negates the idea the competitions will ever be on the west coast, since there is no facility likely to bid on it that is big enough for the combined event. And while it's fun to go somewhere every other year.. it's gets very expensive to do it EVERY year and know it will NEVER be in your basic area where your friends and family will be able to see what you spend all that time and money on.

WHEEEEEE!!!! We're going to Disneyland!!!

(Well, you might be, I'm not! WAAAAH!)

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Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

I'd go if it was in Seattle because I have relatives there that I could visit, and also because Seattle is a really neat place to visit. Marie, if they ever combine it and hold it in Seattle you should go - we can get early airfares and share a hotel room or something. Seattle is a neat, neat city and worth a trip.

Mimi

Sigh.

I need to clarify your misunderstanding about the misunderstanding.

The idea to drop Sectionals was just to drop ONLY the qualifying events: Championship Gold Ladies/Men, Championship Masters/Ladies/Men, Championship Pairs and Championship Dance. The rest of the competition, the non-quals, did not need to be dropped, and therefore getting rid of 'Sectionals" meant just getting rid of the qualifying events only. The rest of the competition could still be held. Just those six events would have been eliminated.

It's not on the table, so it's not going to happen. But as someone who wrote the original proposal to eliminate the idea of qualifying at Sectionals for adults (and instead qualify at ANs), this constant misinformation about the original proposal really bugs me. It's one of the reasons people overreacted so badly when the idea was presented to the general adult skating population because it wasn't properly explained: everyone assumed that the Wyandottes and New Year's Invitationals and such would go away. That was NEVER the case.

I didn't see the survey that was presented to the general population until about a day before it made it's way to everyone, and when I saw it I immediately pointed out the confusion, but it was distributed anyway. Ever since then, Vesperholly's idea of what everyone thought was going to happen to Sectionals has been one of the biggest misunderstandings I've seen on the various adult skating message boards.

But again, to clarify, Sectionals is staying.

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OK. I would consider Seattle - but only because I haven't been in Washington State and I'd like to someday get all of them (I'm missing 10).

BTW, there's a good chance I won't be at AN next year. Unless Michigan's economy turns around very quickly.....

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The economy is still pretty scary everywhere right now - I think that some parts of it are turning around, but employment, traditionally a lagging indicator, will probably not pick up for a while yet. And I have heard several people say that they are cutting back on competitions, including ANs, because of the economy and employment concerns. Not good. I really, really hope that Adults for Autism runs again next year, at least - I will have a pretty (really pretty) new Interp by then and A4A would be such a nice place to debut it!!!

Ohh, now I'm confused. I never thought the club competitions would go away, nor did I know that there was a general fear of such a thing happening.

As the writer of the proposal, can you clarify for me: Was it just the elimination of the actual qualifying process at a Sectional event that was proposed? So there could still be a Sectional competition, it just wouldn't be qualifying?

Certainly you're better informed than I am to answer questons. Obviously I'm misinformed already!

Sectionals is only the Championship qualifying events. The non-quals aren't Sectionals, they're just whatever Open competition is running in conjunction with Sectionals. The confusing part is that they're called the same thing most of the time. If you eliminated the qualifying parts, technically, there would be no Sectionals. You'd just have an Open that I guess you could call whatever you wanted. But it's wouldn't be a Sectionals as it wouldn't be a Qualifying event.

For instance, if you look at the entry form for this year's Easterns, you see that the non qual is the Central Carolina Adult Skating Classic- http://www.usfigureskating.org/conte...nouncement.pdf

The Qualifying entry form says Eastern Adult Sectional Championships- http://www.usfigureskating.org/conte...nouncement.pdf

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But then if they had not received the bid for sectionals would there still have been a Central Carolina Adult Skating Classic?

It seems that these clubs often have the adult competition because they were awarded sectionals and I think people are worried that will go away. Of course there are times when sectionals is added to an annual competition as it was to Wyandotte last year for Mids, but otherwise it seems the non-qual competition attached to sectionals would not happen.

Sure there are several adult competitions that happen annually, but the non-qual comp attached to sectionals seems to generally get better attendance.

Yes. I think that comp was moved up a couple of months in order to be in conjunction with Sectionals, but that and the other comps that host Sectionals will still exist as club comps, with all the non-qual events, as long as the host club wants to have them.

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