I went to check to see if there were any changes, and now there is not even a link for the schedule.

http://www.dallasfsc.org/2006AdultNa...tNationals.htm

I hope that doesn't mean they will be making changes. I just my my airline reservations last night!

Rob

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Ooh. . .I see what you mean. . .I hope they don't make any changes, either, because I bought my tickets a month ago and was happy with when my event was scheduled!

On a completely unrelated note: you're president of the GA FSC? Wow. . .I skated there (and Atlanta FSC before GA FSC was formed) back in the late '90's. Thinking about applying to law school down in GA since I liked the area (and know there are rinks!). Just wanted to say a random hello from a former GA figure skater

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It's back up again, but I don't see any changes.

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No changes yet, but they have posted the following notice:

PLEASE NOTE: The LOC is aware that the tentative schedule posted differs significantly from the tentative schedule in the announcement. We apologize for any inconvenience. The schedule is made at the sole discretion of the Chief Referee. The schedule below is posted for the purpose of skaters being able to make their travel arrangements. We have been told that this is not the final schedule and that some of the times and rinks are subject to change due to conflicts noted with this schedule. It is anticipated that the final schedule will be available next week and will be posted upon receipt.

So hopefully everyone with a real conflict has contacted the referee by now so that he can make adjustments where possible.
Can't wait to see everyone there!

Still no good for me.....Enjoy everyone.....I am making plans to go to Vegas during my vacation later in April.......Time to move on....work on an axel and Silver moves......

I May put in for time off next year to do 2007 ISU adult international but at this point the bad taste that has been left with me for US Adult Nationals does not bode well for me doing 2007 in Chicago!

BTW

I just finished CRC competition where I skated up to silver for the first time. I was 5th out of 5 but received the following ordinals:

5 2 1 5 5

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Congrats, MSF!! Wow, a 1st place ordinal when "skating up" for the first time. Did you decide to go and defend your title, NoVa?

(Are you guys doing May Day?)

It's so bad...do they really expect working adults to make flight reservations one week before the competition. Hello, it is tremendously expensive to make last minute flights--never mind nerve wracking.

I think I see the problem: if you look at the schedule, there is a big hole in the second rink on Thursday night--competition ends at around 6:00pmish. So, I'm wondering was everything pushed up, and competitors now getting screwed big time, because the rink promised the ice to some hockey game, public session, or a kids party!???__))$%^&(*&&@#$%^&#$%&

I mean, is this our event, or not? Okay, here's some brilliant planning: the Gold Pairs Competition is exactly opposite the Bronze Pairs Competition on Wed. night. The Master Pairs is right before both of these when the Bronze and Gold Pairs are in the lock rooms getting ready for their competition. So, among the pairs no one can see each other skate!!! Okay, so we can all watch the Silver Pairs on Thurs. and the Silver pairs can watch all of us on Wed. Okay, the Silver Pairs Won!

You know, it's not like they have to reinvent the wheel each time they have to schedule this event. It's always held on the same days and there are templates for scheduling from the last ten ANs. I would really just like to know what happened here that will leave several competitors out big bucks, and very disgruntled about attending future Adult Nationals.

Guys . . . Please address your concerns to the USFS. It is indeed the Chief Referee and not the Dallas LOC who is making the schedule. It's always been this way. So let the Powers That Be and the Adult Skating Committee know how upset you all are.

We just had a meeting today in organizing for Chicago ANs, and discussed the Dallas scheduling problem. But while we can do our best to avoid it (and you know we will!) it is up to the Referee to make the schedule.

My guess is that part of the problem with Dallas too was the timing: Dallas Nationals is much earlier this year then it has been by about 2 weeks, and therefore closer to Sectionals than normal. All the Sectionals events couldn't be much earlier due to getting officials free from "real" Nationals and the Olys. And the schedule couldn't be done until Sectionals were over (though I'm not exactly sure why, since we know how many people will be in the Champ Events). So getting the schedule straightened out is that much tougher this year.

Not making excuses, just trying to find an explanation.

The only thing I could come up with is this: there are not enough skaters to fill the ice times alloted for AN and the LOC/ USFS are trying to conserve on the budget by filling the empty weekday ice with events that were tentatively scheduled on the weekend. After all, weekday ice is cheaper than weekend prime time ice.
As for Sectionals and the wait, aren't there 12 skaters in the Championship events.

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I sent a long letter about it to Antonio Conte, head chair of the Adult Committee of the USFSA. He said that the USFSA was in disagrement about what had happened, but ultimately it was up to the head referree to make the correction, or change. Antonio assured me that they would see what they could do. The Adult Committe is a VERY stong advocate of adult skaters, so I do believe that they tried--which is why I think the scheduled was pulled for a day, or so, off the skating club's website.

I guess my question is really: what happened? The previous poster mentioned a budgeting concern on the part of the LOC of the Dallas FSC. This is my guess, too, that they are trying to fill the ice up and make $$$, or not loose money at the very least, but please not off the back of hard-working adults who have trained the entire year to participate in AN. I have a very hard time with the fact that people will be scratching and loosing airfare, because the rink (or club) doesn't want to loose money. If it's not this, then what is it? Again, you really can't ask adults to make flight and hotel arrangements at the most just two weeks before a major national event.

Re: the timing of Nationals... what was the original reason for having AN in early April as opposed to mid-April. I would THINK that it would make life a lot simpler and it would give competitors more time to plan for their trip.

As for the scheduling for Open vs. Championship events, to me, that argument doesn't hold. They have previous schedules from the last AN and they can certainly use those old schedules as templates for this AN. The other thing is that there's an assumption that there will be 12 competitors at the qualifying events no matter what. Who those 12 are is a mystery 'til after Sectionals is done, yes, but I would think that it's fair to make a guess that there will be at least 12 people at the qualifying events. (It's the OPEN events where the numbers are variable...and as you see, those numbers have dropped significantly!!!)

I'll add in my nickel on this one - I think that the reason why the numbers have dropped are two reasons: 1) economics! I think that we're still trying to recover from the bad economic years (and IMHO, we're not recovered yet!) and 2) the adult moves requirement! There aren't as many skaters moving up from Pre-Bronze to Bronze b/d they're too busy trying to pass Bronze Moves to test up to Bronze, so you'll get less Bronze level skaters. Same with Bronze skaters moving up to Silver.

Now, for the record, for those who think I'm anti-moves... I have NOTHING against moves! I actually ENJOY working on moves. I feel now thru working on Bronze moves that I feel more confident on the ice and I'm actually "with peace" with my skating now!!! (Never mind that I can actually skate w/o screwing up my lower back...) Given that... frankly, if there were no adult moves requirements, I'd probably would be at AN either last year or this year. Hell, given how crappy my basics are (and therefore my Bronze moves...) and the moves requirements, I'm not sure I'll qualify for AN anytime soon. (And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person who's going thru this too.)

Until then, I'll hold on to my "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" membership card...

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Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

Here's a question: is it a new chief referee this year? If so, he might not understand some of the problems that rescheduling events would cause for people. If his experience is more with standard-track nationals, he'd be used to a schedule which begins with the lower-level events and moves up to the higher ones through the week, and might have tried to work that way with this schedule (which would account for moving the bronze men to Wednesday and the silver men to Thursday).

(OK, I'll take off my benefit-of-the-doubt hat now.)

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Just wanted to give a public shout out to MSF and Nova to congratulate them on their performances at CRC this weekend. I didn't see either one actually as I was in "focus mode" for my own event. MSF has been training very well for the past few months so I was not surprised to have seen him throw the ordinals in a jumble. Nova also has looked relaxed during run throughs on Tuesday mornings when we have our lessons, so I was not worried about him doing well.

As Marty Romanik pointed out: "There were more [Bronze & Silver] men than women this time around... you don't see that too often."

mdvask8r I LURVE your music & costume! Sorry I didn't get to see you skate but thanks for saying hi during your 6 minute warmup!

And to Debbie S, yes, Nova defended his title from last year!

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Thanks for the CRC news, dcden (hey, how did you skate?)! Congrats to everyone! (I didn't know Marty was competing)

LOL! Yep, I feel like I'm in that right now! Is it normal to be visualizing yourself doing Bronze moves (correctly) here at work, driving to and from work, and at home doing random stuff? Perhaps I have developed some kind of Bronze Moves Overload Syndrome?

And congrats to dcden for winning the gold event! Our coach can now charge more since she just produced 2 champs!

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LOL!!! I joked to my skating friends that, in a way, I'm glad I didn't won the Pre-Bronze FS title at Sectionals b/c my coach would have raise his rates right then and there. His Champ Adult Gold Men guy didn't win the title either, so for now, we're all safe!!!

Congrats to MSF for throwing the ordinals off and NoVa and dcden for winning their respective events.

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Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

LOL!!! It's called visualization!!! Common symptom of AOSS.

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Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

Way to go NoVa! Too bad I couldn't be there to see it, but as of last week, I'm working on a new program, so I can Paint It Black at May Day open!

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I'll be at May Day too, with a Scottish Fantasy debut. Big change of musical style for me...

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Just my 2 cents, but for years a lot of us **(okay I** wanted to skate on Saturday) gold ladies wanted to skate on Saturday, to have all the Champ events on Saturday. I think the LOC tried to accomodate that wish, at least that what it looks like...I mean those are the skaters who qualified through sectionals and through the qualifying rounds that you see on Saturday. Lots of times you wouldn't get to see the gold ladies because we always skated on Thursday/Wednesday night and a lot of people would arrive until that day, so they'd miss us. It seems they were just trying to put all those Champ events and bigger groups on the last day. These are skaters who qualified and not to demean the non qualifying levels or those who didn't make it through sectionals but--- we all eventually have our moment in the sun. Shouldn't we let it shine brightly?

Admittedly, a little notice about putting all those champ events on one day would have been helpful and could have helped those skaters prepare better...but it looks like it was an experiment. I like to watch the open gold ladies 2 & 3 to see what's coming up the pipe, I can't because it's opposite my event, maybe I'll buy the tape of the group and the group above.

Well, just my thoughts...

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Okay, Maggie Harding asked everyone to spread the word... so...MSF: Don't get mad! Go to VEGAS... and enjoy!!!

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HANG ON FOLKS! I JUST RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM THE USFSA VICE-CHAIR OF ADULT COMPETITION.......

THEY WILL POST A NEW SCHEDULE BY TUESDAY NIGHT

THE NEW SCHEDULE WILL BE WHAT WAS PRINTED IN THE ANNOUNCEMENT!

(OR VERY CLOSE TO THAT)

THIS WENT VERY HIGH INTO THE USFSA AND THEY KNOW THIS MAY CAUSE SOME MORE PROBLEMS BUT THIS WAS THE DECISION. I WAS GIVEN PERMISSION TO POST THIS INFORMATION BY THE VICE CHAIR.

IN GENERAl: DON'T BLAME USFSA OR THE LOC OR EVEN DALLAS FSC.....THIS MESS BELONGS TO ONE INDIVIDUAL.

SPREAD THE WORD

I MAY BE THERE AFTER ALL.....VEGAS MAY HAVE TO WAIT!

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Well who is it? I've made all the reservation/flight changes I'm going to.

Kelton

The Chief Referee.

I just received this from Maggie Harding:

Hey Everyone,

Here's some important and time sensitive information about the schedule at Adult Nationals! Spread the word!

Maggie

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: AN 06 bad schedule changing to good
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:41:28 -0500
From: mountainside <APDougherty@compuserve.com>





ALL:
Spread the word. Your screams and frustrations have been heard.

The schedule is going to back to something that more accurately reflects
the
tentative schedule in the announcement.

It's supposed to be posted by tomorrow night. Ignore what is there right
now.

Now, I realize this is double frustration for those who already switched
their
flights and reservations ---sorry, sorry, sorry-- but in an effort to make
the most people happy and
to have the most logically run event, this is what has been done.

And it is a an equal nightmare for the Dallas folks trying to put together
practice ice.
(Please don't yell at anyone on the LOC -- they had nothing to do with
this. )

Obviously we are going to need everyone's patience when we get to Dallas.
Let's all hang together on this. You have my word that nothing like this
will
happen in 2007!!

Ann Dougherty
current NVC, Adult Competitions