Yes, that's the way to make friends! Join an online forum. Post only twice in your first month -- both questions; don't participate or contribute in any other way. Get angry when no one answers your second question. Call names.

Yes, well done, Belusova. You've been here less than a month and have just insulted a lot of regular posters here. May I point out that some of the people you refer to as being in the clique are the very people who took the time to respond to your first question about flying spins at the silver level. That's really biting the hand that feeds you. You act like people here owe you a response. Nobody is required to respond to any particular request for info, but most people do if they know the answer. Maybe NOBODY KNEW THE ANSWER. I know I didn't. And it's considered very rude to post a "don't know" and "me too" answer.

Because he's already proven himself to be flamebait. And possibly a liar. So I'm not going to give any credence to anything he says.

Everyone was in agreement that fabricating things on a website is bad, but most people found the hateful posts K Chaiko spewed to be potentially slanderous (at worst) and in poor tast (at best). Once you've done something like that in the online world, you're not going to be taken seriously. That's nothing new to this forum. But your histrionics are quite ... interesting. Pretending that K Chaiko is some innocent victim is laughable.


Still winning friends, eh?

Yes, we're mostly adults here. And as adults, we have to accept the consequences of our actions. If you come here spewing hate, you won't be treated very nicely. Get used to it.

Flippet, my feelings weren't hurt at all.... I even let the thread die
myself figuring that I would somehow figure out the information myself.
Some people on message boards , if they want their thread to be revived,
often post a follow up statement to try to get the information they are
looking for- I didn't do that.

It's ironic that with so many people on this board who attended the ISU
competition, many people viewed my thread, but no one could even muster up
any kind of response. K Chaiko's response was very radical, but ultimately
I finally got someone to respond to my question.

I am also curious Flippet to what you think about my statement of allowing
people to talk about various subjects about skating - whether it's negative
or positive.... after all, this is a message board where people should be
able to express their feelings about a particular subject.. K Chaiko, in
previous threads focused on one person (as did many others still posting
here) however, in this particular thread no single person was addressed.
Looking at when K Chaiko's screen name changed , I think you banned K
Chaiko again only after the poster Casey assumed that it was Burton that K
Chaiko was talking about again which K Chaiko said was not the case. In
fact, K Chaiko also only brought up the equipment sabotage (which no names
were named) and other subjects only after it was he/she that was being
attacked , but in the end are those subjects and others like them really so
bad?

I dunno, Belusova. I'm relatively new here and not an avid diarist of all my lessons or thoughts on skating (mostly because 'did pre-bronze moves till cows came home' is a bit dull.), and I've never found the community terribly cliqueish. Obviously, some people know each other better than others and are perhaps more likely to banter on with people, say, they know in real life, but that's some what to be expected no? Nothing harmful with reposting it, or bumping your old thread.

I mean, K. Chaiko's claim bordered on the hysterical and irrational and is easily refuted by looking around the rest of the boards; people give each other all sorts of advice and support all the time, and it's going to be a hard claim to press that they're all giving each other and newbies tips on how to do laybacks and axels yet won't give you the link to purchase a video from an international competition because they're terrified that you'll study their moves and beat them next year.

(Do figure skaters watch tape like football coaches? It strikes me as a bit of a waste of time; it's not like you compete your spirals against one another in a DEATH FIGHT. Being up on new innovations, sure. Knowing roughly what the competition is, sure. But it's not like you can come up with a novel passing screen to ward of a split spiral.)

Why he was banned I'm not sure; delusional conspiracy theorists have their entertainment value... but the mods/admins probably have an interest in not promoting trolls who just make blanket statement like 'NO ONE WILL HELP YOU BE CAUSE YOU MIGHT TAKE THEIR SHINY MEDAL!!!!!11!!!!'

I'm quite certain a discussion of unsportsmanlike behavior would be welcome, if done in a manner that didn't make the poster look totally insane.

I'm sorry but I just joined this forum 6 months ago and was as much a newbie as anyone else, but I feel quite welcome here, and did from the very beginning. If I see a question to which I don't know the answer, I'm not going to waste everyone's time posting a "sorry I don't know" response, and I wouldn't expect anyone else who didn't know either. What's so hard to believe about the idea that maybe noone knows?

Now, had the post been about something I did know about and otherwise responded to, I might have put at the bottom "Don't know anything about the video though, sorry", because it wouldn't require an extra post.

I doubt anybody else had malicious intentions either, and even if somebody might have posted the "sorry I don't know" post which would have annoyed a lot of people to somebody they are friends with as opposed to somebody they don't know, what's the big deal? You can't reasonably expect people to treat friends and strangers exactly the same.

Why has skatingforums been becoming a bit of a battleground for so many people recently? Jeez, just act normal and play nice. Things might not always go your way and you might not get the "acknowledgement" you want - so what? Move on.

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in order to clarufy my previous post i will explain the past circumstances.....no my stating my opinion on the thread has nothing to do with my "gold medals" how i perform on the ice has nothing to do with who i hang around with. i just can't see any correlation in those two issues. no, actually, when I was bashed on the internet it was in an adult chat room that i did not belong too. as a matter of fact i did not belong to any chat groups at the time . My real name was used and some terrible things were said by someone who was angry that i was in the same level as the previous year. The people who posted it were unaware that i repeated a level due to shattering my ankle after AN the year before. would have provided them with an explanation had they simply asked why I had not moved up. I see no reason for any kind of immature junior high school activity such as what they posted. i was told about it and unable to get in the group to defend it. I did not post a nasty thread bashing other skaters . so my right to respond is simply the same as yours ...the fact that this person opened the door to it by posting to begin with. in my situation i was not even aware the room existed. so as you can clearly see, the situations are different.

so with that logical explanation aside, i will add this as well,
I have also posted a thread looking for cantact info for a friend from nationals. no one including my clique of friends responded. I am not offended. They simply did not know and are too busy to respond to every question posted that they do not know the answer to. to this date i have recieved o replies to that. no offense taken.

I feel if someone begins a thread, and more specifically one like that , we all have the right to respond.

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A: depends on whos throwing you and how much you lied about your weight on your pairs profile


a can of stickum : $5.95
the email asking "how do you get this sticky stuff off " ...priceless

those are great ideas...now what lift were we doing again?

hey Tim...i finally figured out how to get the sticky stuff off!

Missing: east coast stunt doubles poster

To specifically address the orginal question of the video: I was at the competition. I ordered the DVD. The company producing it is German. We paid cash. I didn't get the name of the company and they didn't give out receipts just marked our addresses on a list and said it would take a couple of weeks to ship them.

So the reason I didn't respond to the original post is that I didn't know at the time. I figured that when the DVD came, I'd have the information and would post it then. I'm guessing that a lot of other people thought the same thing.

ICECATEPAIRS

Who is you friend ?, Perhapes i know them and can track them down for you.? I too have not yet received my copy of the competition from Obersdorf.

The reason for this has been addressed, both by myself, and others.


So then....your main purpose was to 'get someone to respond to your question'? Around here, that's called trolling. I understand that your question was perfectly legitimate, and you have every right to receive an answer (if someone knows the answer and feels like, or has the time to, answer), but whining about not getting an answer is simply bad form...talk about needing to behave like adults around here.

Subjects are rarely censored around here. If they are, it's because there has been consistent trouble over them in the past. If people can discuss things rationally, without bashing others, or edging ever closer to slander, then topics are usually left alone. You had the bad luck to come into the middle of this one. Since you don't know the history, perhaps you can refrain from making judgements. (If, however, you do know the history....well then, I can only conclude that you've jumped in to fan the flames.)


Think what you like. The poster was banned again because banning is just that--banning. You don't get to come back once you've been shown the door. Try to jump over that, and you'll be banned again. Very simple, actually.




Okay, I'm done with this silliness. This thread is closed. And Belusova....I recommend that you re-think your strident defense of someone when you (likely) don't know the whole story....if you continue, it's very easy to think that perhaps you're a friend of kunduchaiko, and are trying to keep this little war going. Consider yourself warned---I'd avoid this topic again if I were you.

~flippet