I'm still trying to get my loop back to where it was a year ago.
I lost it in the midst of working on Bronze moves and learned a very valuable lesson- you need to take time to practice both equally. That's another thread folks- we need not discuss it here.

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Despite my handle I just went through a long long period in which I totally lost the loop, but now I've somehow gotten it back.

I learned two things:

The more I pull back with my right shoulderblade on the entry, the easier it is to get all of my weight on the right skating foot and then take off and land on that with flow out

my arms were all wrong and then a fellow skater told me to think of the arms as "putting apples in a basket" and I swear that fixed almost everything.

I get into them with crossovers now but first learned on a LFO three turn

Now someone please send me magic potion for getting the flip and also for being able to actually do all of my jumps in a program cuz so far that's not happening

Oh the loop, the loop. Took me ages to get, loads of frustration, loads of plummeting confidence and then I got it and LOVED IT It was my nearest double (apart from 2flip which I once landed as a fluke) and once I had it I adored it, even put it in a Prelim test when I didn't need to!

Anyway ... got it from a FI3, it got me that bit of extra rotation that I needed to get the jump which gave me the confidence which gave me the loop My preferred way (though I could do it from any entry in the end) was from back crossovers, you could really pick up speed and get a nice flow into it.

I the loop

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Reading this thread, it's nice to know that I'm not the only one who finds the loop difficult.

Don't get me wrong - I don't mean I'm glad everyone else is having problems, I mean it's something of a relief to know that it is not unusual to take a while to 'conquer' this jump. Been working on it for about 5 months now (minus a month where I couldn't jump at all due to sore foot), and on a good day I can land it, fully rotated but to steal another poster's phrase, my Loops tend to be 'microwaved' rather than 'gourmet'.

Strange thing is - the Loop is a jump I enjoy doing, much better than a Salchow for instance (even though my Salchow is absolutely fine).

S xxx

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I learnt it from a LI 3 (I'm a CW skater) but once I could get the rotation, my teacher made me do it from back crossovers - I feel I can get more height and length with the backcrossovers entrances.

However, when trying double loops, my teacher tried to get me to do BO3s and mohawks into it......

RFI Mohawk-to-LBI edge. Step down onto a RBO edge, CHECK, and then execute the jump from the RBO edge. (Essentially the same as a LFO 3-turn entry once you're on the LBI edge.) I agree with Flo -- too many feet! LOL

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Sonic,
as far as loop goes, it is as if am right in the same "mental zone" as you. It is a relief. I can't wait to read your posts when you announce that you land them consistently and cleanly. Happy loops, and happy landings to you! I may even be brave enough to post video when mine happens. but we'll wait and see.

I'm actually a skater who LOVES the loop. My suggestion is to really trust that edge. You can't make this jump happen if you know what I mean, you just have to wait and let the edge do the work. Harder said than done when first learning.

Chico

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This was the one thing my coach noticed when I first started learning it...I was leaning AWAY from the edge, fighting it! So she had me do all kinds of weird backwards things on that outside edge (even falling a few times) to get over it and to trust myself. She even had me learn the flip to "feel" the edge on that jump. Now I can tell if I'm on the outside edge and if I'm deep enough.

It is a hard jump because you are really hanging out there...it does involve a lot of trust!

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Ah, show skating!!! I do it for the glitter!

Agreed 100%...

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Mohawk: (assuming CCW jumper) Do RFI mohawk so you exit on LBI edge. Then step down onto RBO edge and take off.

Ina Bauer: Right foot leading and either on outside or inside edge, left foot back and on inside edge. Keeping both feet on the ice, transfer a little more weight onto the right foot and do a RFI 3-turn on the right foot so you turn in to face the left foot. You are now facing backwards and your left foot is resting on the ice in front of you, so you just take off for the loop jump.

I do an Ina Bauer-loop-axel about 45 seconds into this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzbGYcv1zmc

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"You don't have to put an age limit on your dreams." - Dara Torres, 41, after her 2nd medal at the 2008 Olympics

I always liked the back crossovers into the loop. I can get a lot of speed that way!

I do it from a mohawk.. I think.

Well folks guess what?

Worked a lot on jumps in free skate lesson today. We got to loop, and after a couple of attempts - landed by not great 'quality', coach noticed that I was trailing my free foot behind instead of in front on take off.

So, I tried again, really concentrated.

And bam.

Finally.

I HAVE A REAL LOOP.
Fully rotated, legs crosed in air, landed on a running edge.

Shame nothing else is going right in my skating...but that's another story.

S x x

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YAY!!!! Don't worry about the other jumps. You got your loop...be happy!!! The other jumps aren't gone for good. My jumps come and go especially if I spend a lot of time on one in particular and neglect another! Celebrate your new found loop!!!!

Nicki

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Hey, that's a big deal!! Congratulations!!

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"You don't have to put an age limit on your dreams." - Dara Torres, 41, after her 2nd medal at the 2008 Olympics

Congratulations!!!

(So JEALOUS!!! )

Going to my secondary coach now... see if I can sleep walk my way into getting a loop!!! (She wants me to think while I skate. At 7:30am in the morning, it ain't gonna happen!!!)

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jazzpants

11-04-2006: Shredded "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" Club Membership card!!!
Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

I do mohawk - back crossovers, step forward on LFO, RFI mohawk, widestep and bring feet in line to two-foot stance LBI/RBO, deepen the curve and then loop.