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Old 02-03-2008, 09:19 PM
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i know about roller skating but is too vaild for ice skating my knowledge ,LOL

I assume that are you saying that are 3 turns the performance of the toe loop. my dear is that optional because can be :

double toe loop :2 turns
triple toe loop :3 turns
single toe loop :1 turn

i hope that can help to you that , the said for you is right. you start RFO and land at RFO
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this is the way i have been taught to do it:

1)RFI 3 turn keeping the left leg behind you
"RFI" is an abbreviation for Right Forward Inside. As tidesong said, this is simply a three-turn (one foot change of direction from one edge to opposite edge rotating into the entry edge) to set up the jump.
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Old 02-04-2008, 12:45 AM
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I think this is a very interested reference video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3lT3dQoU10

Since she does so many double toe loops in a row. It is obvious that at the end she starts underrotating it on the landing. Can someone more experienced here tell me if she starts prerotating at any point in time too? It would be interesting to know.
Damn. And I just want to do ONE. . .
I don't think she prerotated on any of them, and I think it's because of her picking technique. It looks like she picks backward but with the pick at a bit of a diagonal and pops herself straight up off the pick as the feet come together and cross. It looks like the skating foot crosses in front of the picking foot on takeoff but then she rotates the right hip and leg so that the picking foot ends up crossed in front of the skating (landing) foot. Hmm . . . !
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Old 02-04-2008, 03:30 AM
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Damn. And I just want to do ONE. . .
I don't think she prerotated on any of them, and I think it's because of her picking technique. It looks like she picks backward but with the pick at a bit of a diagonal and pops herself straight up off the pick as the feet come together and cross. It looks like the skating foot crosses in front of the picking foot on takeoff but then she rotates the right hip and leg so that the picking foot ends up crossed in front of the skating (landing) foot. Hmm . . . !
that is actually a perfect analysis of how a double toe should work. she draws the skating foot across the picking foot, then takes off like an axel. even a true double toe has the axel motion in it, but the skating foot has to draw up to the picking foot before taking off. in a toe axel (or toe waltz), it is like the picking foot acts like the LFO edge of an axel take off, only for a much briefer time.
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Old 02-05-2008, 07:58 AM
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ok my coach has totally thrown off the timing of my toe loop by telling me to pick, wait and pull back til feet are crossed, then jump. seems completely impossible to me, especially since I'm so slow by the time my feet are crossed that all I can do is a little hop. I know I was kinda toe-waltzing this jump, but now I can't do it at all, except at a crawl. any tips?????
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:22 AM
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ok my coach has totally thrown off the timing of my toe loop by telling me to pick, wait and pull back til feet are crossed, then jump. seems completely impossible to me, especially since I'm so slow by the time my feet are crossed that all I can do is a little hop. I know I was kinda toe-waltzing this jump, but now I can't do it at all, except at a crawl. any tips?????
Can you do back pivots? Because the position is kind of the same. Coach had me work on back pivots because I was feeling the same way - like what she wanted was impossible.

J - who still can't really do a back pivot or a toe loop but knows what her coach wants anyway.
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Old 02-05-2008, 12:22 PM
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Can you do back pivots? Because the position is kind of the same. Coach had me work on back pivots because I was feeling the same way - like what she wanted was impossible.

J - who still can't really do a back pivot or a toe loop but knows what her coach wants anyway.
I'm having the same problem. I think my coach wanted to throw stuff at me after my warmup for the bronze test because I wasn't doing these correctly (she insisted I have in the past but it must have been a fluke) (I passed the test but I wonder about the toe loop)

I've never been able to do a back pivot

But this correct position does remind me a little of a loop so THAT'S why they call it a toe loop, lol! (yeesh)
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Old 02-05-2008, 01:31 PM
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Can you do back pivots? Because the position is kind of the same. Coach had me work on back pivots because I was feeling the same way - like what she wanted was impossible.

J - who still can't really do a back pivot or a toe loop but knows what her coach wants anyway.

Hmm, you mean a BO pivot? I noticed this the other week when I was working on them, that it's similar to the position I was shown for the toe loop (which I still can't do).
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:16 PM
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Can you do back pivots? Because the position is kind of the same. Coach had me work on back pivots because I was feeling the same way - like what she wanted was impossible.

J - who still can't really do a back pivot or a toe loop but knows what her coach wants anyway.
Another thing that gets the takeoff right is doing mazurkas (the real ones, not the side toe tap that sometimes gets called a mazurka).
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Old 02-05-2008, 04:03 PM
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What's the difference between a "real" mazurka and the side toe tap kind?
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Old 02-05-2008, 04:40 PM
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A real mazurka picks like a pivot and scissors the feet in the air as it turns forward versus the side toe hop.

I found working on single toe loops on the line fixed my double toe take offs so they pivot and go up and over to the landing side. I also found that working on different entries of Axels and double Sals have helped with the timing.
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Old 02-05-2008, 09:57 PM
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What's the difference between a "real" mazurka and the side toe tap kind?
Your feet cross in the air, like this:

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