hey just wondering

Hey, just wondering how many people can do an outside spread eagle?

I've NEVER been able to do an outside spread eagle, sorry to say.
I can do an inside one and I taught two of my students, who are former dancers, to do the outside one!

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I did an outside one accidently once. I have no idea how i did it, but I was told I did it afterwards, and I haven't been able to do it since.

If you have very open hips, that is, you can stand on the ice with your heels together and toes pointed out with your skates forming a straight line, then any spread eagle is a piece of cake. If you don't have open hips, your ability to do spread eagles will vary with the degree of turnout you can get. I have very closed hips and, consequently, pathetic turnout. The best I can do is a very tight inside spread eagle. The circle it describes is about 3 feet in diameter. The degree of openness in the hips is a matter of bone structure, and is determined by time one is 2 years old. After that point, stretching can help, but can't do it all.

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I don't think I'll ever be able to do one, my hips are as inflexible as concrete. I can't even turn out enough to do a mohawk the way some people do them. Just gotta get really low on my knees for them.

I, too, wonder how people can do them. My legs don't do that!

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My daughter and I, on the other hand, can just do them. I guess we're naturally open-hipped, although I admit I feel it the next day if I do too many outside spread eagles the day before. We both have good Ina Bauers, too. There are plenty of other things I find very difficult, though, that other people think are really easy! (Evil brackets...camel spins...grumble, grumble...)

I can do an outside spread eagle

I've only been able to do it for about 6 months and I'm still working on straightening my knees and leaning back into the edge more.

I have an outside spread eagle in both my interp & freestyle programs, though the one in my freestyle program is pretty short (can't hold it very long when you only have 1:40 ).

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*puts hand up* - Inside and outside; with straight legs and reasonable upper body posture. I need to warmup for them though. Currently trying the extreme inside edge, low to ice with the upper body arched back - Its really difficult though - no arch yet and probably won't. It requires sooo much balance and strength, I don't know how some skaters do it.

Aside from can/can't do; just like to say that doing fast Spread Eagles on good ice feels really really good.

Like Clarice mentioned I can also do Ina Bauers, though I need to work on keeping the behind leg straighter; can get a bit of back arch too!!

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I went to see champions on ice and all the skaters only did inside spred eagles, so I wondered if it was a hard move; thanks for clarifying that.

P.S. I can do one too

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Ina Buer?

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http://www.sk8stuff.com/f_recog/recog_g_bauer.htm

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Thanks I see now I can do that but my coach calls it a bauer

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with a bauer, the one foot is behind the other, making 2 circles, with a spread eagle the feet are on 1 circle - I THINK!...

don't forget it takes a lot of flexibility (and some people have hips that will NEVER do that at all, physically impossible - although some have such hips that it's very easy for them) and boys are generally less flexible than girls are (due to hormone issues)
but if you can do a bauer you should be able to do a spread eagle I'm thinking.

Same here. Those with great turn-out and open hips have no idea how fast the rest of us have to turn our hips to do a simple FI Mohawk. It's turn fast or your foot goes down at a right angle to the direction of travel and .....SPLAT!

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My daughter was in a group number and they needed to do Ina Bauers which she couldn't seem to get the hang of (I don't think it's a flexibility issue for her-she just didn't have time to learn it well enough) and coach showed her a nifty fake Ina Bauer, where you do a lunge, just not so low and turn your body like an Ina Bauer. Even I can do it.

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Took me about 2 splats before I had the whole fast-or-splat thing figured out.

Stopping to stare at my feet to make sure they were turned out before putting them down however - that's something I still have to think about. On roller skates, I even keep doing it anyways.

I replaced an outside mohawk with an inside mohawk on a test once, last december... Still passed the test, but given the score I got, they did notice... Meanwhile I'm on speaking terms with even the outside mohawks fortunately, although they are a bit flat. I even learned to do this... like a mohawk, except then you step back on the back outside edge that you started from, like a double mohawk or something - not sure what it's called. But gosh it took practicing, incredible.
But I really wanted to do it. Now I really wanna learn like... a 3-turn, except then you turn back again (but in the opposite rotational direction to the first one, not like in a twizzle), I'm not sure what it's called? But again, if I try it, my leg bone just grinds into my hip bone in a way I can feel it... But I'm sure there's gotta be a way to learn to do that too.

I can just manage a RFO Mohawk, but it scares me, and the LFO Mohawk is pathetic. I don't practice them . I think the turn you described first is really a fast Choctaw. It goes FO BI FO, but it's done so quickly that the BI edge isn't obvious. The 3-turn sequence you are describing is is usually done in sets of three and is a 3-bracket-3. The turn after your first 3 is a bracket.

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I think I'm doing fo bflat fo (past 1:30 mark) and the trainer said it looked fine although I learned it myself from copycatting other girls at the rink... So either the trainer messed up or I think wrongly... At least it feels like a flat, if not to say a very slight outside edge. I need to stretch to do it, LOL how sad is that?

Yep, outside (and long inside) spread eagles and Ina Bauers are my specialty.
My physical therapist tells me that the ability to turn one's hips out is determined by the placement of the hip joint: More to the outside and you get good turnout, more to the inside and you will never have the turnout required for an outside spread eagle or Ina Bauer. It is not gender-specific.

By the way, I find that the Ina Bauer actually requires more flexibility, since you are also stretching the hip flexor of the rear leg.

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so... are you guys saying that if you can do an inside mohawk well, you should be able to do a spread eagle? or is it an outside mohawk well = good spread eagle?

*rushes to perfect mohawks and begin spread eagle...*

and what exercises would you recommend for learning the spread eagle/ina bauer? on ice and off ice... thanks.

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definitely not gender-specific. Lots of people told me that girls /women could do them better than guys but in our family my son could do a great outside spread and had outside to inside spreads in his programmes. I can't and daughter can't anywhere near as well - she has to really bend the knees whereas he could have both legs staight and still be on the outside. Even his coach was jealous of that ability!! If I practised really hard I reckon I could manange a half decent Ina Bauer eventually but never an outside spread.

I do inside and outside eagles and bauers. It's all in the hips.

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