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Old 12-07-2007, 11:07 AM
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Broken In: Worked on BXO, spins, Waltz jump, Toe Loop, and Waltz/Toe combinations. Some of the Waltz/Toe combinations worked nicely, particularly when I didn't pause at all between - gonna put those in my program!

In lesson we worked on the choreography basics for the new Interpretive - got a nice RFO Shoot-The-Duck rising into a RFO Spiral (not bad for a 58 year old broad - LOL!) - can only do that ONCE per program

Broken Down: Still have to work 4 hours before I can go home and VEG!
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Old 12-07-2007, 12:33 PM
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Terminology varies in different parts of the country so I don't think there is any use looking for the "right" term since it isn't defined in The Rules (that I know of). But "ordinary cross-overs" here involve "stepping over" with each foot coming off the ice alternately, which is the way they are taught in the beginning (according to my coach who also coaches a lot of beginners).
Most skaters think of those as back crossovers or "power" crossovers. The one-foot-at-a-time version is usually referred to as "ISI Back Crossovers" since the ISI required them in their LTS curriculum. (In teaching, I use it as a learning drill after I introduce the "real" crossover.) The USFSA Basic Skills teaches the beginning crossovers with the outside foot (CW=Right foot) remaining on the ice throughout the crossover.

I thought you meant the cross-change-edge move that she does right after those crossovers - that's cool and I'll try that when I'm feeling better.

Glad you're learning these crossovers - they are faster and more powerful since they simplify weight shifts. (Everything's tighter together, so the change can happen more easily.)

As for me, I skipped skating today because I'm still feeling sickly. I did some off-ice stretching and spin trainer stuff, though.
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Old 12-07-2007, 01:34 PM
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Terminology varies in different parts of the country so I don't think there is any use looking for the "right" term since it isn't defined in The Rules (that I know of). But "ordinary cross-overs" here involve "stepping over" with each foot coming off the ice alternately, which is the way they are taught in the beginning (according to my coach who also coaches a lot of beginners).
Oh! To me, those are just plain back crossovers. I'd think of "stepping over" as beginner crossovers. When the skater gets the motion of a back crossover, then start doing the foot-slide crossovers. I found very quickly that trying to teach a LTS class foot-slide crossovers, I get a whole row of . By the time a skater gets to Pre-Preliminary they should be doing foot-slide crossovers, and ideally before.
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Old 12-07-2007, 03:36 PM
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Most skaters think of those as back crossovers or "power" crossovers. The one-foot-at-a-time version is usually referred to as "ISI Back Crossovers" since the ISI required them in their LTS curriculum. (I use it as a learning drill when I teach.) The USFSA Basic Skills teaches the beginning crossovers with the outside foot (CW=Right foot) remaining on the ice throughout the crossover.

I thought you meant the cross-change-edge move that she does right after those crossovers - that's cool and I'll try that when I'm feeling better.

Glad you're learning these crossovers - they are faster and more powerful since they simplify weight shifts. (Everything's tighter together, so the change can happen more easily.)

As for me, I skipped skating today because I'm still feeling sickly. I did some off-ice stretching and spin trainer stuff, though.
hope you feel better...it's that time of year for illnesses
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Oh! To me, those are just plain back crossovers. I'd think of "stepping over" as beginner crossovers. When the skater gets the motion of a back crossover, then start doing the foot-slide crossovers. I found very quickly that trying to teach a LTS class foot-slide crossovers, I get a whole row of . By the time a skater gets to Pre-Preliminary they should be doing foot-slide crossovers, and ideally before.
I HATED learning ISI style back crossovers...YUCK! It was awful lifting each foot over, but on the other hand, it was good exercise for precision foot placement. For regular crossovers, we progressed into learning the various pushes and where they were in the crossover.
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Old 12-07-2007, 03:55 PM
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Ok, lemme try to explain it this way
- CW backward on the right foot, inside edge
- left leg reaches into the circle
- right foot stays on the RBI as some weight transfers to the left foot as it begins a stoke from inside the circle, past the right heel, to the outside
- full weight goes to the right foot again as the left repeats the inside-to-outside stroke.
The right foot never comes off the ice.

In this video you can see what I am talking about near the beginning of her program http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh02KrNbGaQ
Got it! That's a very clear explanation. It's just a matter of shifting the focus from the over-stroke to the under-stroke. I actually find myself doing that a lot towards the end of my back power circles as I'm increasing in quickness and speed (I just didn't know they had a name!)
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Old 12-07-2007, 04:13 PM
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Old 12-07-2007, 04:38 PM
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Got it! That's a very clear explanation. It's just a matter of shifting the focus from the over-stroke to the under-stroke. I actually find myself doing that a lot towards the end of my back power circles as I'm increasing in quickness and speed (I just didn't know they had a name!)
I thought you meant the change of edge push out/stroke. That's what Kristi made "famous". The others are just plain ol' back crossovers...
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Old 12-07-2007, 05:44 PM
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Got through half my program (the half that's done!) without messing up and keeping my timing so was very pleased. I've got all my field moves for testing done so that I'm happy with them too. Really got my spins back centered without a hit of toepick as they've been a little traveling recently. Had my first attempts at loop jump and did it well about 20 times so I was chuffed with that. I'm definitely a jumper!

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Old 12-07-2007, 06:47 PM
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As for me, I skipped skating today because I'm still feeling sickly. I did some off-ice stretching and spin trainer stuff, though.
Hope you feel better soon!

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I went on the ice with my skate guards on and fell really hard. Oooooooooouch my hip hurts so much!
Ouch! Hope you feel better soon too!

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Oh! To me, those are just plain back crossovers. I'd think of "stepping over" as beginner crossovers. When the skater gets the motion of a back crossover, then start doing the foot-slide crossovers. I found very quickly that trying to teach a LTS class foot-slide crossovers, I get a whole row of . By the time a skater gets to Pre-Preliminary they should be doing foot-slide crossovers, and ideally before.
ITA. I never did the pick the foot up style, as I started with private lessons and began thinking of BXO's as pull unders rather than cross overs. When I teach them in group, I begin with the pick up style, and switch to pull unders if necessary. I've found that one style does not work for all skaters. I have two little B7/8 kids in private lessons now who were both doing the pick up style. I showed them the pull under, and their BXO's smoothed out right away. A bigger challenge is getting rid of the half swizzle in favor of the one foot push from the over foot. I've decided to just let that happen with the kids. It's even confusing for some adults.

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Spent my entire lesson today on F three turns; mostly FO's. Made some real progress by discovering that I'm rushing them and finally being able to wait. Actually properly checked a few. Did FI threes at the very end. After my lesson I tackled one foot spins and managed to be able to do three or four in a row after about five that I had to wait between because of dizziness.

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FI threes have really suffered from lack of practice. Last week's progress was gone and had to be achieved all over again. Halfway through the lesson, the rink suddenly got crowded with an influx of school kids who got out early. I wasn't skating patterns, so it didn't matter that much, but was just one more thing to pay attention to.
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Old 12-07-2007, 07:30 PM
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I thought you meant the change of edge push out/stroke. That's what Kristi made "famous". The others are just plain ol' back crossovers...
So what made Kristi famous was the power crossover? Or was it something different?
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Old 12-08-2007, 03:23 AM
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Oh! To me, those are just plain back crossovers. I'd think of "stepping over" as beginner crossovers. When the skater gets the motion of a back crossover, then start doing the foot-slide crossovers. I found very quickly that trying to teach a LTS class foot-slide crossovers, I get a whole row of . By the time a skater gets to Pre-Preliminary they should be doing foot-slide crossovers, and ideally before.
Husband still tends to pick his feet up when doing back crossovers - somehow he's never really learnt the other way, although he can do it when he is reminded. My coach sometimes makes me pick my feet up as he says I don't get the weight change right if I am not thinking about where my weight is, and although he wants me to do them "properly", he wants me to do them properly properly, if you see what I mean, with my weight in the right place.
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Old 12-08-2007, 05:10 AM
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So what made Kristi famous was the power crossover? Or was it something different?
No, the thing Mao did at 7 seconds in the program Rusty posted is the thing Kristi did all over her program and made famous. A lot of people had done them previously, but not as nicely, I guess, was my coach's explanation to that.

No, the thing that made Kristi famous was making Worlds in Pairs and FS at the same time, even though she was unable to medal in either discipline when practicing both at a high level. The very next season, she decided to drop pairs (and figures were dropped at the World level) and she won the World Championships over Tonya, Nancy, and Midori
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Old 12-08-2007, 06:55 AM
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Now that I've been doing the don't pick up your foot in backward crossovers for years, coach has me work on picking up my foot because I never really put all my weight on one foot and that does not make for balanced crossovers.

I discovered how bad I am on that when I started working on the Fiesta tango and the end pattern where you have to pick up your foot, put it down in front and then step forward right away. I'm so twisted up the wrong way there's no way I can do it.

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Old 12-08-2007, 06:56 AM
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Husband still tends to pick his feet up when doing back crossovers - somehow he's never really learnt the other way, although he can do it when he is reminded. My coach sometimes makes me pick my feet up as he says I don't get the weight change right if I am not thinking about where my weight is, and although he wants me to do them "properly", he wants me to do them properly properly, if you see what I mean, with my weight in the right place.
Yup. That's my problem. Do you have trouble with the Fiesta end pattern too?

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Old 12-08-2007, 08:28 AM
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Thursday:

I went to the rink on campus on Thursday after an event I had to go to:

Broken down: I was falling on stupid stuff...turns and footwork...just falling! Since I went very late (got on the ice at 9:15pm!!) I was very tired and hungry

Broken in: I actually got to go skating! I didn't think I was going to be able to go. Jumps were okay. Spins were pretty good too

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Broken down: I am frustrated with that scratch/back scratch! ugh!! And...I can't get a lesson next week because of work We start closing down on Friday, which means no skating for me...makes me sad...but, during break, I will get to go skating more than I usually can

Broken in: Coach and I worked on my program. It's looking good. I was actually able to get through it twice on the session...not back to back, but that's okay We changed a few things, and made the footwork a bit better with the music. Moves were also good. I'm testing in February, so I'm trying to work hard, especially because lessons will be sporadic (just about every other week) over the next two months due to the holidays and my job...
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Old 12-08-2007, 09:07 AM
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During my lesson today, my forward spins kept falling onto an inside edge, stopping me getting more than 3 rotations. Solution - keep my free hip up. Also I wasn't using my leading arm to get any whip, so I was entering a bit lacklustre. My toeloop was also ragged, and I was leaning back on the landing, prompting a two foot landing. Annoying since I had been getting great ones all morning before the lesson.

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Old 12-08-2007, 12:12 PM
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Got my butt out of bed this am for the 6:30 am freestyle only to find myself sitting in the rink parking lot at 6:40 with the facilities manager of the rink to come ambling in the parking lot at 6:57!!!! That session was scheduled to end at 7:20 and since I had a hair appointment at 8:30 I was unable to stay for the 9:30 free. Therefore I went to a smaller rink in the area just to skate their later session.

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While I didn't do my program at the smaller rink, (too crowded, cold and unfamiliar skaters) I did a decent salchow and some sitspins that better show up on Friday! One sit spin I was able to just spin and get lower and stay in position!.
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Old 12-08-2007, 03:57 PM
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I felt realllly sick this morning so I skipped my freestyle lesson and went home

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I PASSED MY AMERICAN WALTZ AHHH!!!!!! It was the 5th time I was trying that test and I FINALLY passed
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I felt realllly sick this morning so I skipped my freestyle lesson and went home

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I PASSED MY AMERICAN WALTZ AHHH!!!!!! It was the 5th time I was trying that test and I FINALLY passed
CONGRATULATIONS!!!
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Old 12-08-2007, 05:08 PM
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Yup. That's my problem. Do you have trouble with the Fiesta end pattern too?

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Absolutely! Though mind you, that may well be partly due to Husband's (lack of) partnering skills.... I can do it okay solo.


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Old 12-08-2007, 09:42 PM
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I felt realllly sick this morning so I skipped my freestyle lesson and went home

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I PASSED MY AMERICAN WALTZ AHHH!!!!!! It was the 5th time I was trying that test and I FINALLY passed
Let's hear it for persistence! You are a great role model (as I go into my third Intermediate MIF test, LOL!).
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Old 12-09-2007, 12:36 AM
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HOORAY!!!! HOORAY!!!! HOORAY!!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!!!


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Old 12-09-2007, 02:48 AM
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Broken in: I went to the Brian Boitano skating specatular with Barry Manilow at AT&T park last wednesday night. It was a great time. I saw two of the most impressive things I've ever seen. The first was Brian doing a double axel at 100 mph 5 feet from the end of the ice surface. The second was Dorothy Hamil goose-ing one of the male skaters as they got off the ice. As for my own skating, my spins have been pretty good lately.

Broken down: I've been falling a lot lately. Some pretty hard. That's the price of progress I guess. I think I've lost it mentally. I'm having a really hard time pulling the trigger on jumps.

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Old 12-09-2007, 08:01 AM
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I PASSED MY AMERICAN WALTZ AHHH!!!!!!
CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Broken In:
Finally got the kids into privates with a great coach. Now, if only I could reign in the "Chatty Cathy's" (DD) mouth so she doesn't waste her lesson time yakking away...

Skated a minimal amount of time by myself, because I spend most of it as DDs' "On Ice Guardian" protecting them from the other skaters. (I think that they just don't know the other kids. Hopefully, the Club will have some events that will help them meet the other skaters.)

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What skating I did was lousy. Maybe because I was sick this week, maybe because of my skates. Made an appointment for a blade adjustment, hopefully that will resolve part of the problem.
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Old 12-09-2007, 12:37 PM
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I PASSED MY AMERICAN WALTZ AHHH!!!!!! It was the 5th time I was trying that test and I FINALLY passed
CONGRATULATIONS! (and sorry you are feeling sick)


Broken in Christmas show last night went really well. The power class did good, and I thought synchro felt really good- and the video showed me a lot of things I can improve on. There are definetly parts our team needs to work on (barndoor pass through!) but it went well. If you are a "friend" on youtube, I have a video up.

It was a fun show though.
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