Oh, I thought she was teaching, not taking her OWN lesson!!!

Oh? I didn't know about this!!! Weeeelllll, I look at it this way... if she's worried about it and posts about it... it's FAIR GAME for us to express worry and concern about her! (You know I'm kiddin' 'ya on this b/c WE CARE!!!)

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11-04-2006: Shredded "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" Club Membership card!!!
Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

I fell flat in last Oct. I forgot I still have my blade guards on and smashed my L elbow and my L chest followed. The next morning when I got up, L side was OK but my shoulders and all around muscles got sprained. I used traditional Chinese way to it and the pains got released in 5 minutes. The pains never return. If you have some ginger at hand, just slice it and rub it against the affected area(a little bit heat also help). You should feel immediate relief.

Get well soon,
Luna

Dom -- put a moratorium on doing any back threes for at least 2 to 3 weeks. Just told coach I'd had enough. We ran thru all the other pre-juvie patterns and coach is sure they would pass.

Hangover -- put a moratorium on doing any back threes. Will I ever get those monsters????!!!

DB -- hope you're feeling better.

Hope you and your coach are feeling better soon! I have to get my blades sharpened soon - dreading it.

Ouch! Hope that heals up soon.

You guys are too funny! I did take ibuprofen and I did go to the rink. I happen to have had my own lesson scheduled today at one rink, and then was giving a lesson at another rink later, so you were both right, although the only one I was thinking of cancelling was my own lesson. As it turned out, my coach showed up, but thought I wasn't returning until next week, so no lesson. The lesson I was to give was at the outdoor rink, and got rained and high temped out. My coach was very sweet and apologetic, and I really didn't mind. My student's mom wanted to pay me anyway, and of course, I declined since the situation was out of anyone's control.

Ah, good to know, thanks!

Thanks for the info. I don't usually have fresh ginger on hand, but could easily stop and get some on the way home from rink.

My knee is finally better . I think it may be the greater amounts of ibuprofen I've been taking for the hip, so tonight I'm resuming my prescription NSAID that I had to stop taking when I got the tummy bug. I also apply heating pads to the knee and hip nightly for a few hours.

Champagne Toast:
I had a good practice even thought the rink was full of school kids who had been let out early. Slow but steady progress on FO and FI threes, one foot spin and FI Mohawks. I had a little fear on CCW BXO's when I realized that a click of death would clobber the sore hip, but got over that pretty quickly.

Missed Resolutions:
Developed a scary wobble and instability on CCW FXO's when doing them in a tight circle. Had DH watch and he could see it . He also saw some of it in the CW direction, but I didn't feel it. I checked my blades, and they definitely are uneven and need sharpening, but my blade guy wasn't in today, so it has to wait. I hate freshly sharpened blades, but not as much as that horrible wobble.

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Just another here chiming in to say it's not age. I recently did a nasty hip flop (like a belly flop, only landed directly on hip instead) when I was trying to do a spin from T position on a line. I leaned too far forward, so instead of pushing from the inside edge of my back foot, my foot flew out behind me, I sailed forward into the air, and landed on my hip. I couldn't lie on that side in bed for a few weeks...

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Champagne toasts: Attended my first private lesson and group lesson of the year. It feels good to be in regular routine again. I always did appreciate structure.

Skating two sessions today. Decided to go to a less busy rink for the afternoon session. Looking forward to it.

Missed Resolutions: My lesson was rather pitiful. I think I am still rusty from the break and skates needed to be sharpened again. Pre bronze Moves are really not ready for testing as I had hoped. Was sliding in the 3 turns on the pattern slightly. Did leave my skates for sharpening before the group lesson and it was better. Sliding was happening on my edge jumps too. Spins were traveling. Will really continue to at least regain where I was prior to break.

Group lesson is intermediate freestyle. He read the list of skills for this semester and I really feel intimidated! Thinking there is no way in 12 weeks that I will get it. Some self talk about just doing the best I can helped. Started with backward 3 turns. Had never done these before and can see it is going to take some practice to get solid. This instructor has body language that suggests he does not really care for me much (giggle....not sure why because I am adorable!). He is a strong coach and does well to explain but it is harder when you do not feel liked. I do not feel I did well with anything last night.... not helping my relationship with him as I think he really prefers high level skaters and the kids. Thought about taking the same class at a different rink in the area to give me two opportunities to work with a coach on same skills. But it appears that enrollment is down everywhere in our area and other rinks did not offer it this semester.

My private coach still had not cut my music. We discussed the April competiton. I feel that I am running out of time as I would need a ton of practice on it. I have no experience in competing or programs for that matter. Agreed to change the music to my second choice as she felt my selection was too slow and she promised to have it cut by my next lesson. Will decide later if I will attempt to do it in April.

I figured I'd post here instead of in a new thread, since it is progress relative to a skating injury... so..

Champagne Toasts (Not that I'm allowed to drink, but anyway...) Last night I slept upstairs in my own bed (rather than downstairs on the couch with the cats) for the first time since the night before I broke my ankle! It took me 4 trips to move stuff upstairs and I still have a little left to go, but all in good time. It was fabulous and the cats weren't too upset! I didn't hear them at all last night. And this morning when I came out, they were not there waiting for me, but little Leo (9 months old and not so little any more) came around the bottom of the stairs and looked up at me and then ran as fast as he could up to see me. He was so excited I had to take a couple of minutes to pet him before I tried to walk downstairs. Callie was happy but more restrained since she is older, after all, LOL. Anyway, I even managed to take a shower and that was fabulous, too. Ah, the little things in life.

Missed resolutions I must have forgotten to tell my ankle that it is time to resume life because it is still quite swollen and so is my foot. But it doesn't hurt much and I am walking on it a little better each day. Still it is annoying. Next appt with the surgeon is on Thursday, so we'll see what he has to say.

DBNY-- Why do you hate newly sharpened blades? With all due respect, maybe your sharpener isn't very good. Granted, I always kept up with my sharpenings, so I never let the blades get too dull, but it only took me about 3 minutes to adjust to a new sharpening. My fabulous sharpener always did a great job. He always wiped them down with a stone or something to take off the burrs, and I never had any issues with turns or spins after. I just had better grip and more speed due to the sharpening. Maybe you could ask your sharpener to do the same?

Happy skating everyone. I'm living vicariously through all of you!

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Way to go Pat!!
After today's skating, I may be calling a ortho doc for me.

Missed Resolutions:
Spins were eh, but could not jump without pain on the landing. The pain is in my Achilles tendon area and today the pain went right up to my calf!
After a couple of tries, decided that no jumping today was the best solution. so Secondary Coach and I started to play with........

Champaign Toast:
SILVER MOVES!!
My attempts at power pulls are not bad, but can be comedic to watch at times. Right now I think the 8 step mohawk and the forward crosstrokes will be my favorite moves.

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Congratulations, Pat!!!

I have an excellent sharpener who does blades for many elite skaters and takes all the little steps necessary. The problem is that I let it go too long, and then have trouble adjusting. I've been trying to get the Pro-Filer, but that's been stalled. Also, since I teach learn to skate, the stop I use most often is the one foot snowplow (both F and B), which is almost impossible for me with freshly sharpened blades. T-stop is no problem, but not so good working in a group.

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Champagne: I am officially in love with my music for my interp program for AN. My choreographer chose it, & I agreed after I'd skated around a little with it playing. But THEN, we started actually putting the program together today, and I love love love it!! It is difficult, but doable, I think. It will definitely challenge me!

Missed Resolutions: Now I'm going to want to work on the program all the time and ignore my compulsories, which are in no state to be ignored! Next test session I can find is March, so I need to keep at it to be ready.

Missed Resolutions:

#1 - The ice today was CRAP - I suspect the last hockey game was played with tracked vehicles and live rounds! Either that or some nearly-blind farmer was trying to do his spring ploughing.

#2 - For not a lot of skaters on the ice, it seemed busy - everything I started to do, there was somebody in the way. As competition draws nearer, I will have to become MUCH more assertive about having space to work.

#3 - For some reason, maybe dehydration from my recent cold, my calf muscles were very stiff and kept trying to cramp. When my wonky right ankle started sending me nasty messages again, I decided to call it a day so I came home and flooded my backyard rink.

Champaign Toast: I think tomorrow I will skate at home, work on 3-turns, and if anybody gets in my way, I will tell them “GET THE @$#%@ OFF MY ICE!”

BTW: I LOVE freshly sharpened blades! I love seeing how far over I can get on an edge without falling on my . . . posterior! Stop? Isn't that what the boards and other skaters are for?

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You need a flag system like one of my pool-owning neighbors had when I was growing up. Fly a green flag, come on over & skate. Fly a red flag, go away & let me have private ice.

I'm not sure how your rink defines "intermediate freestyle" in their group lesson structure, but perhaps you should check with your coach to see if that is an appropriate class for you at this point. If the skills are beyond what you're currently doing and the other skaters in the class are much more advanced than you, then you should probably wait until you are further along in skill to take the class. Trying to learn skills you are not ready for, particularly in a group class where you won't get a lot of individual attention, won't be very productive. Most rinks have guidelines as to what skating levels particular classes are for and list those on the flyers, etc - you may want to suggest to the skating director that they do this, if they haven't already.

That being said, this is a group class, and the instructor should be prepared to deal with a variety of levels and learning styles. Assuming the class is OK for someone at your level, you have every right to expect that the instructor will treat you with respect. It's a given that anyone will struggle with learning new skills - if you could do everything perfectly the first time, then the class would be too easy and you wouldn't be learning anything. If the instructor is not nice to you, then I say don't take the class - no need to pay someone if you're not getting value.

However, do you think it's possible that you are being a bit too sensitive, and that maybe the instructor just has a particular personality or demeanor that might be different than what you are used to, but doesn't mean that he doesn't like you? I've noticed this sentiment - that a coach doesn't like you and/or is disappointed to be teaching you and/or prefers to work with higher-level skaters - in your posts before, about your coach and others. I've never been to your rink, and I've never met you or any of these coaches, but I can't help but wonder if maybe your feelings are more perception than reality. The fact is, if coaches are teaching group lessons/LTS, then they obviously like working with beginners or else they wouldn't be there. Most coaches, even those that coach high-level skaters, enjoy working with beginners, b/c they enjoy helping someone develop strong basics and they like the enthusiasm and wide-eyed-ness that beginners have. And in most rinks in the country, teaching lower-level skaters isn't just a matter of preference, it's a matter of economic survival - there are many more skaters in the Basic Skills through Preliminary levels than there are in Novice through Senior levels, due to attrition as a result of ability, boredom, puberty, money, and numerous other factors. There are only a few rinks and training centers in the country where coaches work with Novice or higher skaters all day. There are coaches in my area that have taken students to Nationals and Junior Nationals and they still coach kids at lower levels, and enjoy doing it, too.

Remember that you pay the same amount of money for skating and lessons and classes as everyone else, and you have just as much right to be there. And you shouldn't expect or tolerate less from coaches or instructors just because you are a beginner, or an adult, or whatever. Focus on your own skating, and your own goals and achievements and don't compare yourself to the kids, and expect coaches to do the same.

As for your program situation, how long has your coach had your music? I remember you posted about that a while ago. It's good that you got her to agree to a deadline, but I'm wondering what's been taking her so long - the program's only 1:40 max. If she doesn't have it done by your next lesson, I recommend you asking for it back and getting it cut by someone else. That being said, I think 3 months is plenty of time to prepare for a competition. For my first competition with a program, I think I had the program for about 6 weeks. Your program will not be perfect the first time you perform it; refining and improving your program is a continuous process.

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I totally agree!
And yes, DallasSkater, if you are still skating under the same disgruntled director, the mood is only being passed on down through the coaches and onto you as the student. It may be a good time to step out of complacency and onto different ice if you need to. I would encourage you to still participate in competing. It will add a whole new context and reframe the way you think about skating (only adding more intensity to your skating addiction). And it is a whole hell of a lot of fun!

Champagne Toasts:

Making progress on backspin and loop today in Jump and Spin class. My old coach said that I needed a sports psychologist and jokingly said that my backspin needs counseling. Do you suppose you could help me out a litte here Dallas? At the end of class she said I will have a solid loop by Valentines Day! I can feel the love!


I need more power! Worked on crossovers, 3 turns, and alternating back XO's to back edges for a whole freestyle session. I test in a week for Bronze MIF.

Missed Resolutions:
3 turns as usual. They are like NoVa Skater's flap. They will never go away!

Champagne Toasts:

• I did make a teeny tiny progress on my loop. I've been practicing little loops near the wall and landing those loops... the stretegy I've been trying is to land a lot of little loops near the wall and then go out there to the blue line and pretend the blue line was the wall. Last night I *FINALLY* landed TWO little loops on that blue line!!! YIPPEE!!! (Of course, then I tried the bigger ones and landed two foot and then tried the tiny ones and couldn't land those again!!! )
• Both RFO and LFO brackets are coming along. RFO is still the better one though. Hmmmm?
• I'm incrementally building up speed so I can do simple jumps (waltz and sal so far) at faster speeds for the past month!!! Not quite at the point where I can do a full lap around at this point. (I'm doing more like a HUGE circle from the middle of the rink, around the end of the rink and then back to the middle, then FI mohawk into setting up for the jump. When I get this down w/o recovering from a heart attack, I'll try for the full lap around the rink set up again.)

Missed Resolutions:

• I was also trying for a backsit fall onto the correct BUTT CHEEK. Was too nervous about it (b/c the height from my butt to the ice is still too high and I didn't have padding on and I already have back problems from yesterday to deal with....) At the end, to get thru the mental thing about trying for a backsit and falling onto it, I aimed for a two feet backwards glide fall to get used to the motion of what I was going to do on the back sit! That went okay. I'll keep doing this and then try the backsit again at the next practice session.
• No clean flip landings! Had quite a few land stumbles (almost clean landings if I just glided out. It was more "land on the correct but I'm not moving so I had to step out" type of landings!!!)
• Camels.... BLEECH!!! (It's been on and off on progress....)

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11-04-2006: Shredded "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" Club Membership card!!!
Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

BEWARE the flap!!!

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Debbie: It was very kind of you to attempt to process all that. However, I am in the appropriate level class. My LTS program does follow ISI specifically and I graduated beginning freestyle along with the other students in my class. We are all about the same level. FS ISI 3-4 are the skills for this level. I have tested through 2. The skills expected this semester still intimidate me..but I am not in a particular hurry to graduate LTS as it comes with a good deal involving free ice if enrolled. I think I am just surprised as I never thought I would attempt some of those skills when I started and time has passed quickly this year. When I started...I assumed that I would maybe one day do a waltz jump but anticipated that to be several years out. I just did not know that much about time frames and levels. It is shocking to me that I have any freestyle skills after just a year.

I don't believe I said that the instructor was not respectful. He is. I do notice body language a bit more than other folks. Has more to do with my professional training unrelated to skating than my strange obsession with it! giggle. If it helps, then let me say that I also observed that most of my previous LTS coaches really liked me! I have become friends with some of them outside of the rink. It might be why I am privy to more information than I probably should have about their attitudes.

I do think our coaches are under extreme pressure and I think you have read about my frustrations over some of the dynamics at our rink. My perceptions about some of the coaches preferring higher level skaters is not only an observation but comes from their direct assertion of such. Several acknowledge that they teach LTS because there are not enough high level skaters to provide a full income in our area. You cited this as well.

I gave my music to my coach in November. See why I am frustrated? There is always some reason it is not ready. I did assert that if it was not ready by next lesson I would work with another coach on it. I think it will be ready! giggle.

Sk8pdx: Yes, same trickle down director. I did check out some other rinks but found that most in my area do not have intermediate freestyle. I would have to travel too far to make it realistic for my schedule. I am doing much of my practice at a different rink and that has helped. Should have taken you to that one that crowded night we skated. Good thought though. Thanks for the encouragement about competing. I do believe I would benefit from the experience. Eventually I will. Just not sure it will be in April. But maybe!

On needing a sports psychologist for the backspin... I generally only treat things I do not suffer personally from (which is why I should hesitate accepting patients with schizophrenia! lol) Since my back spin is my current nemesis, I would be happy to assist with a referral! giggle...Your jump and spin class just sounds so neat. What day are you testing...want to make sure we send major good luck vibes on that day! I know you will do great.

Champagne Toasts:
Started working on hydroglides with one of my students. I actually managed a few really deep edges and positions.
I think it'll be good for the student, too, LOL. He needs to work on body and strength positions, so this is a great exercise.

Missed Resolutions:
Back spins are fine; forward spins stunk. Jumps were miserable, but I WAS talking, demonstrating, and trying to jump. (Anyone have some chewing gum?)
Tried to get a quickie appt for a sharpening, but I struck out until next week.
I'm hoping that straightens out my spin problems, otherwise I have to have the blade adjusted.

I've resolved not to use the in-house pro shop for my skates.
My Pattern 99's aren't so good since he sharpened them, so I won't let him near my Gold Seals.

Times Square Stagger:
Here's a question for all you snowdoggies: does snowboarding help with skating arm positions? My two private students were insistent that it does. I think they're just justifying their snowboards to Mom, but they DID look much more improved this week. (We only did a few choruses of "Flip, Flop, and Fly.")

Jazzpants - One last compliment on this week's thread title. As you can tell, I loved it!

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Congrats on the loops! May they become ever bigger, higher, and stronger...then on to the doubles!! ( )

Re the brackets - I seem to recall that you're a CCW skater? If so, it doesn't really surprise me that you're finding the right-foot ones easier, as when doing them, you're pulling your right shoulder forward and your left back to do the turn (at least I do - so apologies if I'm using the wrong technique to get round!), which mirrors the "natural" twist of a CCW skater.

Especially if skaternum has a pair of scissors with her! (MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! DOWN with the flaps!!!)

Well, thank you! I'm glad you liked them!!!

Well, let's see if I even *GET* them the next time I skate! I may have just lucked out yesterday...

Yeah, but I'm a CW skater!!! And yes, my secondary coach thought it was strange that I find the RFO easier b/c I spin the other way.

MY hypothesis on why RFO is easier is simply b/c I'm so used to turning on that right foot, no matter which direction. Then again, you would *THINK* also with that my RBO3's are easier too and that's NOT the case with me!!! Given that, I think, in this case, I'm just gonna opt for just recognizing my issues and fixing it, rather than trying to find out why things are the way it is!

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11-04-2006: Shredded "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" Club Membership card!!!
Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

Jazz - I am a CW skater and found the RFO easier when I passed the Intermediate MIF (along with LBI) than the other and set my pattern to put that set right in front of the judges. Are you open hipped by chance? That was my coach's take on it and you are more used to the RFO edge (since it sets spins)

Nope! Very closed hip! To the point where I had trouble with inside spread eagle. I finally DID do them but with some coaxing from my NYC coach! (He had me do an inside spread eagle spin with him! Kinda tough, but actually FUN!!!)

But you might be onto something with the RFO edge for spins (and salchows too!)

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11-04-2006: Shredded "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" Club Membership card!!!
Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

Uh, what you said was that the instructor was giving you signals (albeit non-verbal) that he doesn't like you and "not feeling liked" was causing problems for you as far as learning the elements and making progress in the class. If something is that blatant, I would consider it a lack of respect on the part of the instructor, as you are a paying customer and he should be treating all students in the class equally. However, if the instructor is being nice and helpful and you just have this nagging feeling about his personal feelings toward you, then I would forget about that and just focus on learning the skills and getting value in return for what you paid for the class. I would not get wrapped up in your "relationship" with the instructor or worry about what he thinks of you - after all, he's not even your coach; you see him once a week. Look, everybody is going to look like a fool the first time they try a new skill, especially as skills get harder (like freestyle as opposed to Basic Skills) - if you worry so much about how look or what others are thinking, then you'll never make progress b/c you'll never want to take any risks. Remember that instructors have seen it all before, and difficulties you are having are not any different than those of countless other students they've had in the past.

I think you may have hit the nail on the head here. We've had discussions about this issue in the past on SkatingForums, and while there was a range of opinions, I think the general consensus was that it is probably not a good idea to become buddies with coaches outside of skating. I realize these are not your personal coach(es), but they are still teachers and you are still a student. That doesn't mean you can't chat with them at the rink between sessions or at skating comps or shows where you see them, and if you see them at the grocery store or the mall, by all means, say hello, but that is different than hanging out with them on a regular basis away from the rink. Particularly in your situation, what you have learned about them appears to be creating some negativity. I would stop getting worked up about their teaching preferences or what they really think about the rink, and use your energy to focus on your skating and your goals.

As you skate longer, you'll see that there are many odd characters in skating. While most coaches are very nice, down-to-earth people, there are plenty out there that are scatterbrains and/or have very large egos or other hang-ups. You'll do best if you ignore all the craziness and focus on you, your coach, and your skating friends (fellow skaters).

As for your issues with your own coach....well, she may be one of the scatterbrains that needs to be prodded constantly to do things. You'll need to decide if you can live with that and if her positive qualities outweigh the negative ones - after all, nobody's perfect. But if she is Ms. Responsible with her other students and Ms. Scatterbrain only with you, then you may want to think long and hard about whether she is the right coach for you.

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How does one do a loop near the wall???? I'm game for anything at this point if you are up for sharing your tip...my loop has been 2-footed since day one

Champagne Toasts: We worked on those pesky 1/2 jumps today...since they have felt stupid since learning them (and my comp is on Jan 15). The 1/2 lutz and the 1/2 toe walley. Much better now that I know what my arms are supposed to do! And there IS a pull on the walley!!! Sheesh! Not that I can DO them any better!

Missed Resolutions: Did a program run-through...I don't think I've seen my coach so disappointed!! She was very nice about it though, "Do you think you will be skating much this week? And how many run-throughs do you have planned? How many have you done so far?" Yikes! I know it sucked (and I was EXTREMELY winded) My stamina stinks!!! Guess that I need to do some run-throughs at the gyms this week too!!!

Oh yeah, my spins have been traveling.....we worked on them (not that it helped much). Seems I'm bringing my free leg around too soon, and lifting that same hip. Hmmmm. Did try hard not to do that...oh well. I'm still tired from this morning!

I'm still trying to edit the video from our Nutcracker show....I've watched it a zillion times and either my dvd burner becomes disobedient or something else goes wrong.....i hate the music right now!!!!

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Debbie: thanks for your attempt to support me. I think too much was lost through the format of posting. Either that or I am too whiney on here...lol.

Skate@Delaware: Another competition? WTG! But wait! I have not even seen video of Christmas program! Ooops just read about the DVD problem.

Champagne Toast: Practice this weekend has gone pretty well. I can now do a backward three turn inside on my good side fairly well. Outside on my good side is coming along but need to put my foot down too soon so not holding it well. Back 3 turns on my not good side is another story but I was pleased since I had not done them before. Will try the other side more next time.

My MIF pre bronze pattern is doing better. Sure made a big difference to have the skates sharpened. Seems I went through that last sharpening pretty quick! Waltz 8 looking like two equal circles. I was doing various sizes before. This was much to the dismay of my coach stating I was supposed to look very controlled...oh yeah.

Today a friend of mine skated with me. She said I inspired her to enroll her daughter in tots and she is now in beginner adults...AOSD is catchy! Would love to see even more adults at my rink.

Missed Resolutions: My spins are still not back fully. Hit and miss for them being centered. Jumps seem a bit hit or miss too. Hard to tell since weekends I can only find public ice with space issue. Trying to bend more but not sure if I am really doing it more or just thinking about it more..giggle.

Forgot to practice back spin today. Will make sure I try next time.