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Old 05-03-2008, 11:33 AM
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Same. If anyone has tips on how to do a half loop without grinding to a complete halt, I'd love to hear them. I'm trying to put a flip/half loop/sal in my program so I can put in a second axel, and I lose all speed on the half loop.
I think the trick to the half loop is just to get past the name and think of it as a fully rotated loop jump that you happen to land on the other foot (which is what it is). You have to really check hard, pulling the free leg back on landing, bending the skating knee and getting your weight on the heel, just like you're about to take off on a flip jump. In fact, if you make yourself practice half loop-flip, the half-loop salchow will become smooth and easy pretty quickly.
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Old 05-03-2008, 11:45 AM
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I think the trick to the half loop is just to get past the name and think of it as a fully rotated loop jump that you happen to land on the other foot (which is what it is). You have to really check hard, pulling the free leg back on landing, bending the skating knee and getting your weight on the heel, just like you're about to take off on a flip jump. In fact, if you make yourself practice half loop-flip, the half-loop salchow will become smooth and easy pretty quickly.
Thanks, doubletoe! I know this advice will work for me....I'll try them tomorrow.
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Old 05-03-2008, 11:50 AM
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What does RJS stand for?
Relative Judging System - the "old" 6.0 system.
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Old 05-03-2008, 11:56 AM
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Thanks, doubletoe! I know this advice will work for me....I'll try them tomorrow.
Yeah just think of it as a normal loop and also make sure you keep the R hip down when you check out of it....that's what my coach has been having me do and it seems to be working better. They've gotten much bigger than what I was doing at ANs.
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Old 05-03-2008, 01:30 PM
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I end up landing it as a real loop, not on the "wrong foot". My body just self-corrects.
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Old 05-03-2008, 03:33 PM
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My training partner, who does very well in Silver, does a Lutz-loop-toe loop, flip-falling leaf-salchow, Lutz-toe loop, flip, and loop in her program.

She hops from the falling leaf onto the back inside edge. It's not much of a hop, but it's definitely a hop.

I know the difference between a 1/2 loop and falling leaf as I can execute a falling leaf quite well and am hopeless when it comes to 1/2 loops.
I also know the difference - a falling leaf is supposed to land on a toe pick and push onto the FI edge of the takeoff foot. You never mentioned a "hop" or edge change in your original statement. I thought maybe you just typed the wrong name, which DOES happen occasionally.

Why the snark? My guess made sense since it lands on the correct BI edge for the salchow entrance.
I actually have a great half-loop (cross-checking the arms on landing helps with the runout, too.)

Now I'm intrigued. Walk us through the steps, please.
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Old 05-03-2008, 05:02 PM
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The comment that I definitely know the difference is because I definitely know the difference between the two transition elements and that I am as unlikely to call a 1/2 loop a falling leaf as I am a loop a flip. I felt somewhat insulted that it was suggested I didn't know the difference.

Back on topic: She lands on the toe pick and edge almost simulataneously and bends and hops the Mohawk from front to back to a back inside edge. It looks really cool, it gets called a sequence (haven't seen her take a deduction for it in two or three years that she's been doing it nor has it been called out as two jumps in any critique she has received).
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Old 05-03-2008, 07:54 PM
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Back on topic: She lands on the toe pick and edge almost simulataneously and bends and hops the Mohawk from front to back to a back inside edge. It looks really cool, it gets called a sequence (haven't seen her take a deduction for it in two or three years that she's been doing it nor has it been called out as two jumps in any critique she has received).
It may be OK under 6.0 but it could be a little dangerous under IJS, since the technical specialist might call a jumped mohawk or jumped 3-turn as a turn. That actually happened to one of the ladies in Gold III at AN this year. She did a sequence that had a one foot waltz jump (a one-foot LFO 3-turn) connecting the two jumps and the TS called it as a turn, which turned the sequence into two jump passes. As a result, her final 3-jump combination was considered a 7th jump element and it didn't count.
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Old 05-03-2008, 08:24 PM
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She's not quite ready to move up to Gold FS yet but if she was, our coach would make it three combos to eliminate the sequence penalty anyway.
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Old 05-04-2008, 03:07 PM
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It may be OK under 6.0 but it could be a little dangerous under IJS, since the technical specialist might call a jumped mohawk or jumped 3-turn as a turn. That actually happened to one of the ladies in Gold III at AN this year. She did a sequence that had a one foot waltz jump (a one-foot LFO 3-turn) connecting the two jumps and the TS called it as a turn, which turned the sequence into two jump passes. As a result, her final 3-jump combination was considered a 7th jump element and it didn't count.
Another reason to stay away from sequences. Best to do all combinations.
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Old 05-04-2008, 03:30 PM
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My one training partner skates Silver, which is under 6.0 and isn't quite ready for Gold...yet which makes the sequence she's doing fine. When she's ready, it'll be three combos
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