Does anyone know how to obtain a video or dvd copy of some of the adult-competition in Germany?

Belusova,
You might as well forget asking this question. I have noticed that this is the 2nd time you have asked and no one has replied. Obviously these people paid thousands$$$$$ of dollars to go to Germany to compete against a weaker field than adult nationals for the privilege of feeling "international" and getting their medals in the middle of the ice with "olympic" music playing. If it was you Belosova, would you want someone else to get a $75 or $90 dvd / video of you so that they could compare what you and the rest of the competitors have done to the code of points results on the ISU board so that they too could understand what the new judging system is like? I don't think so.

K Chaiko

There is really no need to be offensive.



Belusova, why don't you contact Rhea Schwartz, who organised the competition - she would know about the video. I haven't heard anything, but it's barely a fortnight since the competition finished, and it may be the videos aren't ready yet.

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Mrs Redboots,
It was lovely for you to respond to Belusova,
You are not from the U.S. , right? Is there less of an "undercover" cut-throat attitude and cattiness in skating where you are?

Oh how mature, yet another attack on Burton... Congratulations for being a complete and utter arse in public, yet again. I sincerely hope you never succeed in anything you attempt to accomplish. Your attitude discredits the entire skating community - I hope you're proud of that.

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Great description of yourself Kunduchaiko I couldn't have put it better myself.

Um Casey....this has nothing to do with Burton. Belusova asked a simple question...TWICE... and no response..and everyone else can have their questions answered about any assortment of trivial information, post experiences about going up the mountains, and sharing pictures and whatever.

and Samba - I have seen with my own eyes 2 adult competitiors (one of who is now an adult USFS representative and another who regularly posts here) try to sabotage another skater's equipment before a competition in hopes of qualifying for nationals. I have also heard with my own ears skaters who tell stories of how adult skating is all about the comraderie and not so much the medals, but then turn around and totally trash another competitior who was favored to win..
Cattiness in eligible skating and most individual competitive sports is almost legendary and there is really no pretense about that..
Call it for what it is - Competitive adults push their old bodies to the limit and fork over enormous amounts of cash want something ( a medal ) to show for it and there is no reason to think that adults would be any different from any other athlete.

I would rather see true rivalry then have people smile endlessly in my face and then stab me in the back many times over.


Well, this did accomplish one thing.. by helping to expose what is really under the adult skating surface , Belusova now has access to get the information she wanted and couldn't get before.

K Chaiko

Oh dear!! It's a shame you feel that way and thankfully I can't say I have ever experienced what you are describing, yes the odd adverse comment about others goes on at all rinks because human beings attend them but sabotaging equipment is taking things a little too far.

You seem to have a downer on older skaters, I dont know how old you are but if you are young just remember that if you are lucky you will one day be older and hopefully a lot wiser, if you are older then there is no hope.

I have to say that if I felt as badly as you do I would give up.

Wow K. Chaiko. You have issues.

I've been to eight Adult Nationals and have never seen anyone sabotage anybody's equipment. Never.

And while I think there are competitors in this sport that talk trash behind people's backs (you're one of them, it seems), I for one think those folks are in the vast minority. There are always going to be a few bad apples in any group. So it's up to the rest of us to ignore them and move on.

And from what I nderstand some of the groups were quite competitive, and not easier than Adult Nationals.

you are absolutely right Samba. Sabotaging equipment is REALLY going too far, but everyone has heard stories of it about it happening on the eligible scene, and believe me , it too happens on the adult competitive scene. I do not leave my bags unattended anymore at any competition I go to.

As for me giving up??? NEVER!!!- those people will never get the best of me... it's always best to shine a light on what is going on and then stamp them out by winning a medal as a representation of all the love hard work and money I have put into this sport.


Manleywoman, the majority of adult skaters at nationals are not in contention for a medal , this is fine - they go for the enjoyment of the experience and try to do their best while having their new friends support them. For the ones who want and work hard for that medal (which is fine as well) it is a different story. This happens on all levels. from the poor bronze and silver ladies skaters who had many ladies in adult skating on edge with accusations of sandbagging last year, all the way to the gold and masters level this year.

Although it may seem by the relatively small amount of posts that I create here that I have issues , I really don't focus on all of this in my own skating. I just have my eyes WIDE OPEN, and I seriously hope that other people who want to shoot for the top realize that competitive adult skating is not the utopia it seems to be.

K Chaiko

K. Chaiko...
All of this over a question about a video? Hmm...so whats really the issue here? I swore in thepast to not get involved in nasty emails, ( I refuse to even adress the sandbagging comment again.) but since i just returned from a wonderful weekend at an adult training camp, where the attitude amongst the skaters and coaches was possitive and supportive, i have to put in my 2 cents.
Here is a possibility ...the reason no one replied is that they simply don't know. I mean if someone had to ask the question then the information is not easily available. I once made a post inquiring about which company took pictures at a competition, and no one knew. Did it ever occur to you that people want to purchase the video to see friends who competed. and even if it was to study it so what. You refuse to identify where you are from then you leave us know choice but to guess that you are not from the states. If you were, you would know that it is standard practice for skaters to purchase the video of the level above them so they and their coaches can see what is out there in the next level and what they shoud focus on for the next season. its not obnoxious, its just smart. when i first started pairs someone on forums offered me a video of the last 5 years at adult nationals so we could see what was needed to be competitive and where we belonged. it was not someone i had ever met before. I finally met her at nationals where she came to our event and cheered us on.

I could go on forever, but you get the point. I find that most people who feel no love and support in the adult skating community don't give it either!! I would be curiuos to know what group you hang around becasue most people in this chat room are in the same cirlce, and sorry but we don't have time to between our own skating and supporting each other in competition to bother about destroying other peoples property. everybody skates for their own reasons, some to excel in competiton and some for personal satisfaction. some are recovering from illness and injury to make a comeback in life, and some for the extended family we have all become. If this does not sound like what you experience then i am sorry you have missed out. but when you post nasty threads like that....if i were you i wouldn't leave my skates unattended at a competition, oh and maybe don't wear a green dress ...jealosy is a very ugly color on anyone...as for the new code...well its public information so you are not affecting us by "holding out " on the video. we will all study the code and ask the judges and myriad olympic level coaches in our area we have access to. i hope someday you can have a more enjoyable experience in the sport.

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a can of stickum : $5.95
the email asking "how do you get this sticky stuff off " ...priceless

those are great ideas...now what lift were we doing again?

hey Tim...i finally figured out how to get the sticky stuff off!

Missing: east coast stunt doubles poster

Slamming adult skating??? Congratulations, YOU ARE ON THE WRONG BOARD AND YOUR POSTS HAVE BEEN REPORTED!!!

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I'm sorry there, (Actually I'm not, because you have no respect for any of the lovely people on this board who put their hearts and souls into doing something they love) but you're way out of line. You have no right to say what you did, and I have no idea what you are getting out of this, if anything it's slightly twisted.

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Um, could you please define old for me? I'm 21 and considered an adult skater in the U.S. Adult skating in some places doesn't start until 30. Is that old? And trust me, I don't skate just for the medals. Nor do any of the other adult skaters that I know of.

By the way, how did this thread get so off topic?

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Well said, ICECATEPAIRS!!!!!!
Becca

And I would like to add this:

Hey, K. Chaiko...don't even THINK that no one has noticed that your ORIGINAL account was suspended and you created a new account with the same name but with a period? It won't be too long before your NEW account will be banned too!

Oh, AND if you try to create yet another new account with a new name.... LOL!!! Don't even think about it!!! There are ways of dealing with that too! The last time someone tried that...let's just say it wasn't pleasant for that poor fella!!!

Go ahead! Make our day and try posting more of your "bash adult skating" garbage on this board!!! Humor me and the Administrators and Board Moderators on this board!!!

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Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

Thank you Becca ..its good to have the support of the crowd...jazzpants..good call on the secret identity..way to pull out the detective work!

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Q:If landing an axle is 3 times your body weight, then how many times your body weight is the landing of a throw axle
A: depends on whos throwing you and how much you lied about your weight on your pairs profile


a can of stickum : $5.95
the email asking "how do you get this sticky stuff off " ...priceless

those are great ideas...now what lift were we doing again?

hey Tim...i finally figured out how to get the sticky stuff off!

Missing: east coast stunt doubles poster

My suggestion: stop responding to the flame bait that K Chaiko posts! If he didn't keep getting a reaction, he'd stop posting. We all know he's full of crap -- let's just let him eat his own guts out, instead of ours.

(And yes, I do have a few guesses as to who it is. Someone with a few anger issues, his own need to win at all costs, and perhaps a restraining order or two??)

Again, I've been skating in either Gold level or Masters level for eight years, and have yet to hear of anyone sabotaging another competitors' equipment. But you can be sure that if I caught someone doing it (as you claims you did), I'd report them to the referee rather than try to "shame" them on a message board. If you witnessed such things, why didn't you report it? You can't just complain about things like this is you've done nothing to stop them. You're an accomplice, frankly.

At my level there are no sandbagging issues, since Masters have nowhere to go! So don't try to lay sandbagging charges on the Masters Men/Ladies. We all know each other pretty well, and are for the most part all very good buddies. So I think you're talking out your a$$ when you speak for the Masters crowd.

kunduchaiko, knock it off. You've been banned under one name, yet you come back. Banning should be your clue that you're not welcome here, with your continued attacks and refusal to accept reprimands.

Leave. Do it now.

~flippet

Before this witch hunt against K Chaiko goes too far with investigations,
guessing and detective work, Kunduchaiko did help to get me the information
that I needed. If I were one of the posters here who post many messages
everyday and are part of this "clique" , I sincerely doubt that there would
be absolutely no response to my first post and especially a brand new
thread I created to bring attention to my question. This thread basically
faded into obscurity and was on the second page without anyone even saying
" belusova, I don't know the answer to your question"....... I was ignored
completely.

While some of K Chaiko's words maybe a little harsh, his/her experiences
about people trying to sabotage other competitor's equipment is quite real
to k chaiko. Why would K Chaiko be full of crap for talking about it? At no
point have I read that this is what K Chaiko was trying to do to other
people. I thought the point of this message board was for everyone to
discuss their experiences in adult skating. Some of them may be negative
and some of them may be positive...

And before any of you get on K Chaiko for bashing individual skaters, I
invite everyone to take a look at previous threads... K Chaiko originally
brought up the stuff about a particular skater fabricating things on their
website, but just as what is being done here to K Chaiko, a mob of people
with torches eventually joined the bandwagon to torch that skater's house
down. Icecatepairs, after the mob turned on you before, why would you turn
around and join this new mob against K Chaiko??? Is it because you are now
entitled to do so because you have won your gold medals are now in the "in
clique"? It doesn't seem fair me.

K Chaiko, thank you for helping me with my information but maybe you can
tone down your words a little however I don't see anything wrong with
reporting things that you have seen in your experiences with your skating.

This particular section of skatingforums is mostly adult oriented. We are
all adults here, not children - I think that we can handle explosive
subjects without reacting the way that this mob scene has reacted here.

Belusova,
I'm glad you were helped by K Chaiko. However, as someone reading Chaiko's response, it was very antagonistic and nasty. Also, seeing the number of viewers early on, your thread was not "ignored".

I agree. No one is required to respond to a post just to say 'I don't know'...in fact, that sort of amounts to a 'me too' post, which is generally frowned upon in the world of message boards. The rule of thumb that is usually followed is, if you can't add something to a conversation/thread, don't bother. If your feelings are hurt because no one happened to know an answer to your question, perhaps you need to grow a thicker skin. Sometimes you get answers. Sometimes you don't. It usually has more to do with the question than the poster, and having an attitude of 'why won't anyone pay attention to me' won't get you very far.

as a long time lurker, I just have to say that it seems like a very tight knit group here and that if it were someone like novaskater , icecatepairs or loop loop asking about a video while talking about pairs, at least something would have been written in response. Belusova asked twice and while there maybe alot of people who read the thread, no on had the decency to at least acknowledge it.. to the point where it almost died.

Hi, Belusova!

First thing, did you read Mrs. Redboots' response to you after kunduchiaiko first posting to this thread?

But yes, I don't blame 'ya for feeling like you are totally ignored. As flippet mentioned, it wasn't an intended thing to not respond to your post! (I wasn't at the competition, so I certainly don't know...) And I can assure you there are no "in clique" on this board! I didn't win any trophies or earn my gold medal! If anything I'm just a lowly pre-Bronze skater who's trying to make it to Adult Nationals (and you see that no one has ignored me! LOL!) But we do come down hard on people who don't play nice on this board.

I'm glad you got the help you need from kunduchaiko, I do feel though that s/he did you a disservice of hijacking your thread and spewing out his/her own agenda though. The people that he's attacking are the same people who post on this board and understandably, that will make everyone here them a bit "defensive." And as for the "detective work," if not me, someone else's eagle eyes would have noticed it eventually...

I encourage you to please keep posting on this board! It takes time, but you will be welcomed... (and pray no one will hijack your future threads again!)

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11-04-2006: Shredded "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" Club Membership card!!!
Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!