FWIW, I've already got those types of suggestions for my Bronze Moves test! LOL!!!

Jenlyons60: Heck I've been at Bronze Moves for ages and I still don't know the difference between "continuous flow and strength" and "power", at least the way my judges wants to see them. So I just aim for power and do them as a passing kid would do them!!! I gave up trying to figure out what's passing on an adult track's skating test.

Turns out to be a good thing, since my last retry last year was a better one. (No, I still haven't taken my Bronze Moves test yet... SOON!!!!)

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Yes, the ice turns back the hands of time. The more you skate the younger you become!

Amen to that! I still look like a mid 20's skater and I'm closing in on 40...

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Jazz, I think that in the context of MIF "power" means INCREASING power throughout the move, whereas "continuous flow and strength" means MAINTAINING a consistent flow throughout the move rather than slowing down as you go.

Jen, is that how you interpret it?

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Yes. I want to see the amount of power/flow at the end that I see at the beginning. For example, the skater should not be slowing down at the end of the first side, then picking up power from the 3 or 4 cross-overs around the end of the rink, then moving pretty good as they start the 2nd side, then slowing down again at the end of the 2nd side.

FOr the alternating forward power crossovers: I also want to see that the forward crossovers don't look STEPPED. I want to see 1 good push (onto the FO edge), and some semblance of an attempt at an underpush (onto the FI edge), and a good push onto the FI of the other foot. An occasional short flat may be acceptable... but it has to be very short. If it's obvious that the transition edge is finishing the lobe of the cross-over THEN rocking over to the FI, or never rocking over, then the pattern is being skated incorrectly.

Hope this helps.

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miraclegro, if you are looking to save money and time by taking only one test, what you could do is just take the Intermediate MIF. This crosses over to the Adult Gold, so you could skip Adult Gold MIF and just do the Gold FS test. That's what I did.

However, this would only work if you have passed all the pre-Intermediate MIF tests on standard track. If you have only tested Adult MIF, I think your only choice is to take both.

I would really doubt that you would be able to pay only one fee for both tests. But it is *possible* that you could take both tests at the same time with a double panel of judges. One panel could judge you doing Gold and at the same time, the other could judge Intermediate. You would probably need to ask your test chair. I haven't ever heard of this happening, but I do know that they use double panels occasionally with dance or pairs tests, so both partners can test at the same time. It might be worth asking!

What happens if, as in my back cross-rolls, I pick up speed down the sides of the rink doing the cross-rolls, then slow down doing crossovers across the end of the rink? My cross-rolls are better than my crossovers any day of the week!

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On that move, I believe the end pattern is "optional" so I don't imagine it would count against you. On moves where the end pattern is part of the actual move (like the back power 3's on the Intermediate test), it would be a different story.

Doubletoe,

I hope the end pattern on the back power 3's is part of that move. Otherwise, I've been takin a lot of falls and knockin myself out for nottin! LOL!!! Still working on the lutz / loop -- I am beginning to see the potential!

Okay, while it might seem easier to take the AGM and the IM as one test it just not possible. As noted earlier the passing standards are different, as are the tests. The AGM is the final adult test the one you get your gold medal for it requires a standard equal to that of the Juv moves both are 3.0. The intermediate does require more power and ability to show that you can build power. Having recently seen some nice intermediate tests a lot of the skater's sold their moves showing quality and power, to say you can't do it as an adult is silly, it just takes us a little longer. My intermediate moves only took 9 months and 2 tries, the novice took almost 2 years and 5 tries. Because I had to work really hard on the novice I find the Jr easier, will I ever pass them, probably -- it will just take time and when I pass them I will be ready for my Sr.moves.

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They are two separate tests, and thus two separate fees must be paid.

It would be impossible to do a double panel to take both tests at the same time. A skater isn't even allowed to take the Intermediate MIF until he/she has passed the Adult Gold MIF (or the Juvenile MIF).

You can take both on the same day, but yes, it's two separate tests (therefore two separate fees) and the Gold MIF would have to be a prerequisite to take the Intermediate MIF test.

So say Skater A signs up to do both the Gold MIF test and the Intermediate MIF test, the Gold MIF test is scheduled to be done first and only after that test is passed are they allowed to continue to test the Intermediate MIF test. If Skater A doesn't pass the Gold MIF test, s/he does not take the Intermediate MIF test. (I've typically seen test schedules done where Skater A's Gold Moves and Intermediate Moves warmup be on separate warmup groups...)

If the intent that I get from Spreadeagle is to just do the moves for both tests but with two panel of judges, one panel for each test...yeah, sorry! That's not possible! You have to do the same moves twice! The way I see it is you can warm up those Int Moves by doing the Gold Moves tests and then if you pass, you can "kick it up a notch" or adjust the focus for those moves on the Intermediate Moves test.

Clear as mud?

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Wow! i never thought my original post would have so much response! I guess i'll just have to do the best i can, which is what i'm doing....but, i am wondering if the "power" thing you all are referring to is just the initial push on each segment of the move, and making it a good strong PUSH, and then making sure there is a consistent pattern along with shoulder control....right?

And, i guess i will just have to work on testing the Adult GOld as if i will be testing for Intermediate....I just wish i could get them all over with at the same time! I think they short-changed us (or ar trying to rob us financially) when there is just one move shy (Adult GOld)of the whole set of moves (Intermediate). I am already hard on myself, my coach is hard on myself, and i would just like to add the one blasted move and get them all done at once! I suppose i will have to be over the top for skill level when i test ! Thanks for all your input!

I just re-read your response, and no, i did not take the standard track. I started with just pre-bronze and bronze adult level and that was when there were no moves required. THen they added required moves, and believe me, i worked HARD to achieve Silver status for MIF. I wish i had just done the standard track at this point, and will work on the ones i missed in the next months to come, just to learn them.

I appreciate your suggestion, and will talk to or email the test chair about this slightly unusual request.

THanks for your time!

Out of curiosity, have you actually mastered the one Intermediate move that isn't on the Gold test? Before I started learning it, I felt the exact same way you do. It took me 5-1/2 months to learn the moves for the Gold test and pass that test, but since then, I've spent another 5 months just working on this one Intermediate move and it's still kicking my butt! It makes the brackets seem fun! So I now see these tests as two separate tests, LOL!

That move's the only one I didn't pass when I took that test. Thankfully, I had enough over passing on enough of the other elements to make up for it.

Someone said that the AGM isn't proper preparation for Novice, and ITA. I'm working on them now, and if you think the Intermediate is hard, wait until you see Novice!

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That's exactly why I have no plans of ever testing Novice, LOL! I just figured I might as well take the Intermediate test, since there was just one more move to learn. . .

I'll second the Novice Moves being a bear comment.

5 years (okay, I haven't tried the test for the past 2 years, at least) and 9 tries. I've been working on them the last two years with an international ice dance coach, and the 10th time had better be a charm

(sadly enough, I can walk through the novice free test in my sleep, and the junior moves are a lot more enjoyable to me than novice. the only thing i even remotely like on novice are the counters and swing rocker choctaws. eep!)

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