She could also be talking about the second move too - the back perimeter crossovers! LOL!!!

Congrats on the FLIP!!! WOO HOO!!! I better get a "move on" on those flips too!!! I haven't touch them much.

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11-04-2006: Shredded "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" Club Membership card!!!
Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

A very lovely skater! Helen, it's time you came back to this side of the Atlantic again, to the European competitions.

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Ice dancers have lovely big curves!

Yep, I'm casting my vote for the Hottie, too!

Oh, and you *should* be scared if you can see every rut in the ice during your spiral. . . Your chin and eyes are supposed to be UP!
But seriously, working on spirals is great because not only will it give you nice spirals, it will also give you the right position for your camel spin, too.
BTW, the thing everyone is afraid of on spirals--catching the toepick and falling on your face--won't happen as long as you lift your toes up in the boot of your skating shoe. I don't even remember who gave me that tip, but it has kept me from falling on a spiral for at least 7 years now, I think!

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Jazzpants,

Yes, he is an attractive young man... and I'm sure he knows it too! The fun personnality helps with that as well. Many of his students do use crash pads... granted they're being launched into the air by him, but I'm sure he wouldn't have a problem with you using them for moves/dance. He might laugh a little, but other than that it will be fine. His opinions about things aren't quite as... umm... opinion-ish as are the opinions of your primary and secondary coaches, if ya know what I mean! Speaking of primary and secondary... have either of them gotten back to you about the dance issue???

He launches crash pads in the air?!?!!? Does he have an air gun??? LOL!!!

Oy, do I KNOW exactly what you mean about both of my coaches being opinionated. That's why I told them to go duke it out amongst themselves. (LEAVE ME OUT OF THIS!!! I just SKATE HERE!!! ) And no, I have not heard from either of them about whether or not I'll be ice dancing with Hottie ice dance coach! I HOPE I'll get a resolution tomorrow morning when I get my hair done with primary coach!!!

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jazzpants

11-04-2006: Shredded "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" Club Membership card!!!
Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

Don't speak too soon, you'll be joining us in the pre-bronze gallery soon enough according to news from DallasSkater. :
*whistles a cat call to DallasSkater* Nice pants!

DallasSkater & Jazzpants: Kickboxing helps with interval training so I am not winded after doing my programs when skating. PLUS even though you are using your arms and legs a lot, it is the best abs workout ever! (... and when it's over, I can't help but feel a little "Ferg-a-licious")

Falling:
Since last weekend there was a holiday, they changed the club session to a High session (we have high and low level sessions alternating weeks). so I didn't skate today. (there is always a later public session filled with hormonal adolescents... )

Flying:
Decided to take a round of jump and spin classes to see if that will help me progress a little more with loop, flip, back spin and sit spins. Classes start tomorrow so I am very excited! I am determined to get out of this rut!

Sk8pdx: LOL on ferg-a-licious...step class never makes me feel that way..so maybe I am taking the wrong class! Very cool that you have options for jump and spin classes! Wish my rink offered that!

Flying: Lesson went well. She liked my March of the Penguin music! We are going to try to use it! Was able to show her I had already had a bit of progress on the waltz eight. It helped to watch Renata's video! My circle is still not perfect but hey you should have seen the not even a circle I was doing with it yesterday! Had "report cards" in LTS tonight. I passed and can now take the intermediate freestyle class! Woohooo! She was very pleased with my salchow . Was able to do them from back cross overs as usually that messes it up.

She was there Wednesday to witness my messed up toe loops after the lunge so I did that for her today with no difficulty...egads..maybe I just can't do toe loops on Wednesdays? I never skate well on Wednesdays....hmmmm.

Power stroking class was awesome since we had a sub that concentrated on improving our stroking. He really concentrated basic crossovers in all directions and I learned a bunch as he just put things differently to really focus the quality of the cross overs.

Falling: I did not get a chance to find out if the crash pad undies were as impact friendly as my other pads. That should probably go under flying since it means I never fell today! They were really uncomfortable off ice as I was there most of the day. At least with the migrating pads, I can pull them out when not needed. They were fine on ice except I was extremely body aware since it adds so much bulk. Yes, Lyle...I have to admit that as much as I profess that I don't care, my awareness today suggested otherwise! giggle.

I think I pulled a muscle. Hope it is better tomorrow!

On The Takeoff Run! It is going to be an interesting day! After being REALLY knocked out by a bad cold for the past week and being in a deep funk about my skating I am off shortly to spend an hour on the ice with a perspective new coach, then over to my home club for 2-1/2 hours and maybe break the news to my present coach. I haven't skated in a week and am still feeling weak but we'll see how much of the 3-1/2 hours I can do. Add to that the emotional "stress" and it is going to be a tough day!

No matter how the day turns out, I need to come away from it with a renewed vigor and optimism for my skating and cast off the funk. I hope, by the end of the day, to be flying again!

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Flying:
Am now over the funk I was in regarding my test next Friday. Moves feel a lot better. Of course they are going to when you have clean ice and few people.
Did some freestyle the last half hour and realized what moves do when I did back crossovers for a waltz jump- I was flying indeed! Spins also made a appearance on the session as well.

Falling:
I really really wish there was a way to keep the little beginners off of freestyle sessions. Our rink offers plenty of practice time for the LTS skaters on Tuesday evenings and Saturday mornings and yet, beginner skaters doing swizzles are on the freestyle with skaters doing doubles.

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Flying: Practice today was good, continuing on the upward trend from Thursday when I found my knees back! I actually put Killian music on & did several rounds of 2 patterns. As I got more tired the edges started to flatten out, but I stayed w/ the music & best of all, felt connected to the ice and unafraid!

Falling: This seems to be a strange dance for me--when I'm skating well in general, I really enjoy it. When I'm not skating well, it terrifies me. I'm not sure if it was a mental block or physical, feels like a combination. This sport is hard!!

Join the crowd. It's epidemic at one of the rinks I skate at. Everything from LTS privates to senior ladies on the same ice at the same time.

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American Waltz... Once, Twice, ???? ...

Q: How many coaches does it take to fix Jen's Dance Intro-3 Problems
A: 5 and counting...

Trundling down the runway After a week off the ice and very run down from a cold I started off with a half hour warmup - not as bad as I feared - most everything was working so-so except the backwards and the knees got sore in a hurry.

We have liftoff! After warmup, I met with my prospective new coach, a nice young woman who has skated at Adult Nationals and understands my desire to be part of it. I ran through my repertoire (except backwards) and her comment was that there was “plenty to work with” and “we can have fun with this” - ALRIGHT! “Fun” - that’s what had faded away in my skating. After some time together, we decided to add two morning sessions to my skating and work together there.

Minor turbulence After the 9 a.m. session it was off to my home club for 11:15 and to break the news to my original coach. I suppose it ended about as well as it could with two strong-minded women, each with a different slant on things. We both knew we just didn’t “mesh” on the ice and she said she was glad I took the initiative - bless you coach! You are a special lady.

Up, up and away! I managed 2 additional hours and worked on a bit of everything. Most everything was coming back pretty well (except right backward edges). For being at the tail end of a debilitating cold and a week off the ice, I am happy. I left the ice absolutely POOPED but feeling much better about everything.

The next question will be: can I take my skating from 7.5 hours a week to 11.5 hours or is it time to drop some sessions?? We'll see.

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(A.O.S.S.? Got it BAD! )

Falling:
Into bed... I'm coming down with something and am not feeling well. All I want to do when I got home is just to crash and sleep. No skating today!

Flying:
My hair... with a blow dryer. Primary coach did my hair and DH's hair this morning and it looks NICE!!!

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jazzpants

11-04-2006: Shredded "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" Club Membership card!!!
Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

I'm so glad you broke the news to the coach. I was at a session today where once again, a skater changed to or added a new coach without telling the old one in advance. Obviously, since the skater's a child, it was the parent's reponsibility to "break the news." They didn't and, to his credit, the old coach didn't make a scene.

It could be his fault as well - maybe he missed the call/msg, maybe he didn't return the message, but he was shocked, embarrassed, and angry. It's just not necessary.

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Slightly off topic but related to this

Just wondering what is the etiquette if you stop lessons with one coach. Then months later you start lessons with another coach. Happened to me and I did tell the old coach out of courtesy but the reaction wasn't great. Granted I did tell him minutes before my first lesson with new coach but there wasn't time before. Old coach was obviously aware that I had stopped lessons with him and we had discussed that. Just wondering what someone elses take on that situation would be.......

My original coach was and is my friend. Although we both knew things weren't working out, I told her earlier that I was going to look and I made sure she was the first one I told after making a decision. Simply respect for a friend and fellow human being. You simply can't work with someone on the ice for any length of time without each of you having an "investment" in the other and even after moving on, you are still connected by what you have shared.

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(A.O.S.S.? Got it BAD! )

Awe Jazz - ***HUG*** - hope you are feeling better soon!

(It's not my cold, HONEST!)

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Dianne
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Hehe...yes, definitely a typo! Although it could be interesting to try that pattern with back inside edges instead...

If you stop lessons with a coach, then that's it. You can start lessons with another coach anytime you want. Of course, you will want to make sure you've paid your former coach for all of your lessons up to that point. But you don't really need to tell the coach you're taking lessons with someone else, b/c by definition, you've "split", so your old coach has been informed of everything they need to know.

A situation where you need to specifically tell the coach about your coaching change is if you're switching coaches immediately, w/o a break. For example, if you have a lesson one week and decide to switch coaches by the following week, you need to let your coach know that you are no longer taking lessons from him/her and will be working with so-and-so from now on. As Isk8NYC pointed out, it's a matter of respect for the old coach so they know what's going on when they see you taking lessons from someone else after just having taught you days earlier.


I hope you feel better soon, Jazz!

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Gold Moves, here I come!

It's more than just respect; such actions are governed by PSA ethics rules. The new coach would need to contact the former coach to let him/her know about the coach change. (I know of certain instances where the new coach did NOT alert the old coach, and well, it got unpleasant.)

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-Haha, I've *arrived*! I am listed as a reference on Wikipedia.

Flying:
Started my Jump and Spin class today. The coach for the class is my very first coach way back when I was hanging on to the boards. When I was warming up waltz jumps she commented that when she last saw me, I was just learning waltz jump and that she liked watching me skate. and here is the best part! We worked on backspin today. and I finally had a revelation. she asked me why I was going forward? I looked at her a little confused and she helped me to understand that it is a "backward" spin. as if there were a pole behind my right shoulder and that the momentum should be towards the pole behind me. and all-of-a-sudden it was like an A-ha! moment. I have realized that in my attempts to backspin, it felt as if it were more like "centered fwd consecutive inside 3 turns" but it isn't! (I say inside because I haven't been able to get off my inside edge which was symptomatic of me not getting all my weight transferred over to the outside edge) group coach also pointed out that that not a wonder I was having so much difficulty with loop jump. I finally felt inside how the "backwardness" feels instead. and I am so excited about it! I finally understand sensing the "back" in backspin. yippee!

Also practiced my program today for the holiday show. I am very happy with it!. All I need to do is work out a few arm movements (and I am throwing silk rose petals -tied to fishing wire- at the end) and I should be set to go for next Friday's performance. my favorite part is my attitude spin. Everything just feels right. The tension in my back, hips forward and free leg position. It is my favorite spin so far -- until I can catch camel spin...

Falling:
...can't think of anything...

How about if your secondary coach recommends a third coach to work on something specific on a temporarily basis but your primary coach doesn't want you to? How do you handle that then?

(Just had dinner and now relaxing with a mud mask...)

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jazzpants

11-04-2006: Shredded "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" Club Membership card!!!
Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

Hmmmm. Well if it were me, I am the one with the $$ and I am the one who pays them to be the boss of me. Have you asked your primary if there isn't any reason why they wouldn't want you to be a batter skater by working with another coach on a particular element with the understanding it IS temporary? I did this with our skating director with my bronze moves. Even though I have 2 coaches and they are capable of teaching me moves. I wanted 1 other single perspective from someone in MIF. I took only 2 lessons with her 1/2 hour each. I skate at a rink where coaches are very supportive of one another.

(I am having a glass of sparkling wine watching skating on tv. aaahh. nirvana )

His claim in this case is that the type of thing that secondary coach wants this third coach to do, Jay claimed that HE can do just as well and for cheaper. (I'll have to admit, he did prove his claim by pulling me in a Killian hold and forcing me to skate to keep up with him.) He feels that my focus need to be on my jumps and spins as of now b/c he feels that area is really weak! He did comment though that if I still want him to make me skate faster, he WILL do that and he's in good physical shape to do so too!!!

YOU know how to relax QUITE well, Sk8pdx! WAAAAAY better than me. Which brings to the other point that primary coach makes... he thinks I'm on the brink of burning myself out with too many things on my plate. (Yup! He's been talking to hubby and hubby fears the same with me too. And obviously they have a point, since I'm now sick with something...my appetite isn't that great, but I need to still have food in my stomach or I will feel REALLY nauseous.)

To be fair to primary coach -- he is NOT forbidding me to go to this Hottie Ice Dance Coach! I can still go if I REALLY wanted to... but he strongly thinks he can do just as good a job and for a lot cheaper.

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jazzpants

11-04-2006: Shredded "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" Club Membership card!!!
Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

Jazzpants, just go with your intuition. Do what YOU want to do... because after all you're skating for YOU! If you want to come and skate with dancey boy for a few sessions then just tell your primary that you understand where he's coming from, but you want to just try it out a couple of times to see what it's like. But if you don't want to skate with him... or rather don't think it's the best thing to do right now, then tell your secondary that you've thought about it and now isn't the right time to add something else to your plate.

You're free to come sometime and watch one of my dance lessons if you want... maybe that will help you decide if you even like his style of coaching.

To be honest, I don't think your secondary coach would be nearly as insistent on you taking lessons from him if she knew that it was YOU and not your primary coach calling the shots and making the decision. That's just my two cents anyway. Good luck