Anyone attending GC, please post any developments here, especially the result of the Well Balanced Program changes!!

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Thanks for starting this thread, Terri! So, this will be the place where we learn all of the "new" rules, regs., and radifications coming out of the Governing Council meeting in Orlando. Looking forward to hearing about what happened with the Pairs Championship Event.

Hi Gang,

Since I live in Tampa, I drove up and dropped in for a few hours this afternoon. I was able to pick up a copy of the handout showing what had passed, as well as observe the action this afternoon. I'm probably opening up a can of worms by posting what I know, and I really hope I get this right, but here goes....

Yes, the Championship Pairs event passed and will begin for 2007 adult sectional events.

Yes, the well-balanced program requirements have passed. I can't find the original Addendum A that was posted on the USFS site to compare, so here is what my paper says that I picked up today, as follows:

Pairs: For Pairs, there are requirements for championship events, and then there is a separate list for both masters and gold (masters and gold now have the same requirements with a max time of 3:40 for both). I have not read the two to compare to see if champ and masters/gold are the same requirements (sorry, but it's lengthy). Silver and Bronze pairs passed as proposed.

Masters Singles: I'm not sure I'm reading it right, since I was not there for the discussion and the information on the page is not clear to me, but it appears that all the masters levels will now have the same requirements and the max time for all is now 3:40.

For Gold and below, the changes went through as proposed, with the exception that the Silver spins will be a maximum of 3 spins (instead of the proposed 2).

I'm sorry Bronze skaters, but your spins will be a maximum of 2. A movement was made by an adult skater today to reopen the issue for discussion and revision to make it 3 spins, but it was voted upon and rejected by the convention.

Dance: There was a whole two pages on dance, including the well-balanced requirements. I don't see any strike throughs, which would indicate that it passed as proposed. The 2206-07 compulsory dances for all levels/events was also posted.

Hope this helps! Please don't get mad at me if I made any mistakes. I'm just interpreting the papers and the discussions that I heard today.

praying and hoping for a 2 spin max for Silver level

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A list of updates from yesterday and today:
http://www.usfigureskating.org/event_story.asp?id=34313

Code of Points was approved to be used for Adult Nats for gold level and above (singles, pairs, and dance).

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Ok, so now would be a good time for me to start looking over the code of points - do you have a link NoVa??

http://www.usfigureskating.org/New_Judging.asp?id=280

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Hey, don't apologize - I'm not that disappointed. But was there any discussion or decision about modifying the test requirements? If 2 spins is the max in comp, then it makes sense to adjust the test requirements accordingly.

Maybe the requirement could be to choose 2 of the 3 spins that are currently required? I know some people love the backspin, but I'm not one of them.

And of course, there's the matter of what to do about Pre-Bronze. I guess they forgot that Pre-Bronze requirements currently allow for a max of 3 spins (min of 2). Unless that changes, Pre-Bronze skaters will be able to do more spins than Bronze skaters. Hey, there's a reason to add Pre-Bronze to AN! (OK, that was a joke, please let's not start that debate here!)

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Gold Moves, here I come!

Crap. I made my program 4:04 this year because they made the max 4:10. Now I have to cut it? Blegh.

DRATS!!! This skater is not happy! I think now to be competitive, I'll have to work on spin combos and I'm not quite at that point yet. Of course, I already knew this was going to happened before the GC meeting. I have wrote to Tony about this about a week before the GC meeting and he told me of the change on the Silver FS spin requirements but not the Bronze FS spin requirements.

*sigh* Time to get my coaches to work me on camel-sit and maybe start on sit-backsit. (I need to start on sit-backsit anyway. I'm getting to that point anyway...) and this is in addition to work on whatever jumps I don't have consistently already. (Thank goodness there is a jump requirement as well, so I don't have to go thru a slew of jump sequences to be competitive.)

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Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

IceT,

In the documents that you were able to take away with you, was there any mention about how the Gold teams qualify for the Championship event? For instance, must both skaters in the team have passed Gold Pairs, Gold Free, or Juvenille? Or, can one team member having passed the above drag their partner up, from let's say Silver Pairs, or Silver Free? There was a lot of concern about this prior to the GC, and I'm wondering what they did with it.

Thanks for taking another look!

Whoever that skater was for motioning to reopen the issue and revision... thanks for trying!
So, what's the incentive now to move from Pre- Bronze to Bronze, when there's spin and jump limitations in Bronze?? Never mind going to AN as a incentive... the fact that my program may have to be revised if I move up is a incentive for me to stay put! Comments, anyone??

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Can anybody add to what the "2 pages of dance stuff" entailed? Or know where I can find it? All I've heard is that the lower levels will now do only 2 patterns to test.

All of the dances are listed on a "compulsory" link at the bottom of this page:

http://www.usfigureskating.org/event_story.asp?id=34313

It says:
Qualifications will consist of the following:
* As set forth by the exisiting Adult Masters pair requirements (rule 4110) and Adult Gold pair requirements (rule 4120)
*Well balance program requirements as below.

I hope that is what you are looking for.

Can't say much except I agree that this is now still a problem with the discrepancy of # of spins from PB to Br. to Silver. IMO it should have just stayed 3 spins for Brz & Silver, and 2 or 3 for PB. I'm glad they had the sense to give Silver 3 spins.

Also I agree with Debbie S... was anyone thinking of the test requirements when writing up this proposal?

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All that lists is the compulsory dances, not any rule changes.

Yes, the testing requirements for the 3 spins at Bronze were specifically mentioned in the discussion as the basis of the adult skater's request for the reopening of the issue, but the council did not agree and would not make the change.

Obviously not!!!!

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I did also. Since I didn't compete the last 2 ANs, I decided to add on 35 seconds to my program and had it rechoregraphed (because of the increase time change approved last year when they increased the time limit for Masters Senior & Championship to 4:10). Oh well, I will now have to recut the music again!

MANLEYWOMAN, one delegate acutally tried to amend the time limit to 4:10, but there was much oppposition to this because of the bonus points received after the half way point for IJS and the possible unfair advantage a Senior level skater may have. I was quite surprised they made the time limit the same for all of the Masters levels (Novice, Junior, and Senior). If there is a skater moving up from Gold to Masters Novice, that additional minute from 2:40 to 3:40 maximum is quite a jump in time. It will be interesting to see how this impacts the Masters Novice level.

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Christy

So, does a combo spin count as 1 spin or does it count as two (or whatever the number of different spins in the combo is)? It sounds like your interpretation is that a combo spin is one spin, but I would like to make sure of that. Does anyone know?

Did they add an Adult track for dance tests below pre-Silver? It already existed for pre-silver and above, and there was a GC proposal to include the lower passing average for adults for Bronze and below. I could use that help

A combination spin is one spin.

When will they begin using the new Code of Points system for for adult competitions?


It was supposed to be used for the Canadian adult nationals this year but ended up being delayed until next year because it was such a huge undertaking. I can only imagine that it is an even huger undertaking in the US and will take some time. Hopefully the "Well-ballanced programe requirements" and levels of difficulty will be finalized and released soon ( as promised by Skate canada) so we can strt working on our new programmes.

Sorry, Phoenix, I guess we are just getting drips and drabs of information, and will have to wait for the GC to post everything on the USFSA website.

IceT,

Thanks, but I'll have to wait for the PDFs to come out on USFSA, because I don't have a rule book that refers to the items that you had mentioned for the pairs qualifications.

Thanks guys...it will all come out soon enough. As soon as it comes out, I'm going to try to make a spot on the Adult Pairs Website in the "News" section, where the pairs can go for all of this new information pertaining to pairs skaters.