Whatever the speed is, it is definitly faster than that. I met Barb Underhill one day and she was telling us that she skates with the Toronto Maple Leafs sometimes and she outskates them all the time (and this was only last year) and she is a lot older and not a competitive skater anymore....

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I think that the perception about the sexuality of male figure skaters must be more of an American thing than a British one! Certainly it's not so at our rink - most of the male skaters are middle-aged married men who skate with their wives! And sometimes when we've had a would-be elite skater give up, it's been because of girlfriend trouble....

Certainly we tease our hockey-playing friends, saying things like "If figure skating were easy, they'd call it hockey", and "Poor thing, he can't skate without pads on!" and "Wouldn't you think he'd rather skate with a woman than with a stick?"

The last usually gets replies like, "Nah, sticks don't argue!" or "Nah, if I break my stick it's a heck of a lot cheaper!" - it's all good fun!

And I've noticed that some of the people who start off with hockey skates and get as far as private lessons on them watch the elite dancers, and even the s***e dancers like us, and decide they've bought the wrong sort of skates.

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Very different styles of skating. Hockey skaters don't have to worry about edge strength nearly as much (who cares if you're elegant as long as you're fast), but figure skaters aren't encumbered by padding. I do find that intra-mural level hockey players are slower than I am, at least in a push-to-speed comparison.

It's easier for public session skaters to get started on hockey skates, I think because the skates are more comfortable and they can run on the sides of the runners.

I think it's pointless to say that one is faster than so and so, unless there's real proof of it. A good start to settling that kind of thing is to have a formal competition between pro hockey skaters (with their padding removed) and pro figure skaters. Or some properly organised university and/or club challenges.

There could be different races....1 lap, a few laps, many laps. If it can be organised....good. If not.....then better not bother trying to determine who's really faster, since there's no solid proof of it. So far, there are at least 'official' lap times for all-star challenges of pro hockey players around the NHL rink. So perhaps if there is similar data for all-star figure skater challenges around a rink of similar size, then maybe a rough comparison could be made. Although, the hardness of the ice would be unknown, and could affect the speed a little.

Back when I was a teenager ~ at my old rink I was getting teased a lot by one hockey player.
(He was trying to impress his friends)
I ended up making out with him in my car

---All these "straight" men tries to be cool and act like a jack a**, but inside them, it's just another BrokeBack Mountain kinda guy!!! I dated a cop, hockey player, basketball, football, and baseball player. All of them act straight and tease flamboyant men, unfortunately just to act cool ~

sawie i thought it would be funny - just relax ...no harm done

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I got teased at the last place I worked...going back about 5 years ago.

My response was, "let's see, I am the only guy out on the ice surrounded by many hard bodied, athletic females in skimpy skirts and the problem is?" Come to find out a few years later that this individual had some serious personal issues...

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Tim David kissing-and-telling. Shame on you!

I suppose "Yeah, and ..." isn't a valid reply, huh?
How about "Takes one to know one!"?

Before I leave, since I'm not a guy, let me point out that the hockey vs. figure skating speed posts are hijacking. Snicker, snicker. Who's got issues now?

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Too much information Tim, very schoolboy/girlish.

Hey Sk8erTim, I bet you, if you catch one hockey player by themselves, they wont be calling you names. Try to avoid them when they are all together, bc that smells trouble. Where are you from by the way?

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Ummmm... Tim.... TMI???? (I really didn't need to know THAT MUCH detail!!!)

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Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

I see .... so you really are ghey then, and so was that particular hockey player. So you simply posted that message to tell everybody not only of your polarity, but also your sex acts. Immature, very immature.

Why is it immature for Tim to say he's gay and that he made out with another gay guy who pretended to be straight? He didn't give any gory details or anything, it really wasn't "TMI". I think it's a great example of the fact that most of the guys who are homophobes are actually closet homosexuals themselves and when they are picking on other guys (gay or not) they're really trying to make THEMSELVES feel bad for feelings they don't want to have. It's a classic response, really.

Have you got solid proof of what you just said above?

i believe its called sublimation maybe?

that is a true psychological phenomenon

cheaters accuse other sof cheating the most, alcoholics accuse others of drinking too much, snobs accuse others of being too snobby

so yes there is proff of this in studies that were done on sublimation ( not quite sure thats wat its called)


I've always found the skaters (hockey or figure) who actually know what theya re doing, are polite and nice, while the ones who have no clue and act as if they are good, always act rude and stuck up

If there's solid proof of that, then it's something to discuss. But without proof that this happens on a large scale or in general, it's baseless.

Oh, come on. Tim said he made out in a car with a guy who teased him. That's hardly t3h ev1l pr0n! No one would have noticed if he said he hooked up with a girl skater who teased him.

On the original topic, I'd just ignore them. Who cares what they think? If you want to respond, just take a page from a friend of mine who used to dance competitively... "So.... you hang around with a bunch of sweaty smelly manly men, and I get to check out hot girls in spandex... and I'm the gay one?"

Apparently you've never even had a college psych class--I'm sure those at least touch on it. Further behavioral science classes would go into more depth.

But if you'd like to keep shouting your ignorance from the rooftops, be my guest.


Exactly. If it's not 'TMI' if we're talking about a guy and a girl (and I don't think it was), then it's not if it's two guys, or two girls. Double standards in this area really bug me.

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But when I started dating guys, 50% of those fake people ignored me.

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Burden of proof is on your side actually. Sure....there may be the odd case that has a extreme denial syndrome, but if you or anyone reckons that people with 'problems' usually draw attention away from themselves by critisising others....then you better have some solid proof to back that up. And this also goes for psych teachers and behavioural science teachers.

This is why Bush is still president - majority of this country lives in denial.
Forcing people to act a certain way and life is this country's motto.

Since I have posted my first comment on this board, I have gotten at least 65emails.
-Some wanted proof??? You want pictures and videos? It will cost ya
- 45% thinks that Brokeback Mountain is a lie and a fantasy.

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ironically we actually jsut studied this in my psych class, and yes there have been mass studies of this. i'm just too lazy to go and look them up right now.
If you don't believe me...look around you...youll be surprised how many people do it

Well, I could name the names of every macho in high school who's ended up coming out in college, but that would really be invasion of privacy and not all that relevant on a grander scheme. Do some psychology research. What I said above isn't just true of homophobia...it's pretty much true for every fear humans project onto others but really have themselves. It's a lot like why the really adamant Christians spend their lives trying to lecture others and tell the non-believers they are sooooo sad that they'll be going to Hell. Those people are just afraid of dying and of what happens when you die. FOR THE MOST PART. Some people of course don't fit into these patterns. But most do. That's why they're patterns. And again, if you need proof, just read up on some psychology journals. You're free to disagree, though. That's the beauty of this country.

PS: Yes beachbabe, it is called sublimation. I also agree with everything Flippet said about everyone being educated on this. I actually learned about sublimation in Senior high school class...and I didn't even go to that great of a school. If someone doesn't know what it is and didn't have a teacher who passed around all of the research data and surveys on this stuff, then , that's some serious lack of basic education. I also agree that Tim suffered from a total double standard. Keep on pimpin', Tim!!

Also...EastonSkater...this isn't a trial. Haha. Burden on proof is on no one. If you don't believe and never had the minimal education required to hear about the psychological responses we are talking about, then fine, keep saying we need to "prove" what you should've learned in high school. But no one needs to prove anything. If you're interested, look up the topic. If not, then just don't believe it. I don't care. But I think it's sad that you need a STUDY to prove to you that people deal with their own fears by projecting them onto others. I mean, do you even live in this world?! It's *everywhere* Why do you think the little anorexic girls call that other girl in school fat? Just 'cause they're mean? Sure, maybe. But could it also be to make themselves look skinnier by pointing HER out in front of everyone else because *they* are really afraid of being the ones seen as fat by their peers? More likely. Most cruelty in this world comes out of fear and ignorance. And yeah, as Tim said, for proof of that, just look at the state of our World Affairs.

Yes Johnny weir FTW I say!

Though as someone who isn't very normal, it becomes obvious that people to cover up their insecurities. Funny thing is we're all more similiar than we think, it doesn't make sense why people don't enjoy what little bit of themselves is unique. Whatever floats you're boat I guess.

As for the gay thing. As far as I'm concerned, I've put to much of myself into becoming the kind of skater I am to let another man bring me down with just words. That's absurd!... such a thought.

I do wish I understood the whole girls thing however, but I guess that's another topic.

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You got that right, in High School I used to judge 6 girls or more in my dance class to see who had the firmest, perkiest, breasts. All of the straight guys were so jealous of me. Not only I get to feel them I also get to see them bare... blech!!!!! gross!!!!

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