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Foot Problem/Boot Update: Klingbeils Again!
I forwarded the email I received from Jackson to Tim Murray, but haven't gotten a reply. I told him I would understand if there were other considerations that would keep him from ordering a boot that might have to be returned.
I went to Klingbeil this morning, and Don fitted me all over again, even taking the molds over again. He wants to keep my boots and completely re-do them. I won't be able to leave them overnight until next Wed, and that is going to be a super hassle for me, but I have to do it. Klingbeil can now put a thinsulate lining in their boots, and I told Don I want to order a new pair with it, but he wants me to wait until he finishes the work on my current boots to be sure they get all the kinks worked out. In spite of the fact that I'm having so many problems with these boots, Don inspires confidence, and I would rather have a new pair of his boots with the thinsulate lining than the Jackson coaches boot. I also asked Don about Superfeet orthotics (didn't get out to buy any in time), and he said they are worthless except for the custom ones they make with a special machine. He is going to look into that and may well go with it himself. Sadly, Bill Klingbeil is not doing so well, and Don is now doing all of the fittings.
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Glad to hear you're on your way to getting your boot problems fixed (hopefully for good)!
I'm sorry to hear Bill Klingbeil is sick. What exactly is this new lining and what does it do? Is it new since December (when I got mine)? Does it make boots more comfortable, better fitting, or....?
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And I'm not a fan of the heat moldable sort of boots either. What it comes down to is that they are less supportive boots with a plastic layer in them that is melted to shape to your feet, then hardens to make up for the support the leather lacks in order to allow it to change shape. Yeah, this works alright and is cheaper than a custom fitting, but I'm not really a fan of having a plastic layer in my boots (and I have heat molded boots now)... In any case Don has been incredibly useful throughout my pestering of him with various questions asking for his opinion... I certainly have a lot more respect for somebody who's willing to share their experience-formed opinion unrestrained than somebody who sidesteps around trying to say whatever makes you happy in order to make a sale. And that's a big part of the reason I'm being fitted for Klingbeils tomorrow! (sorry to hear the news about Bill as well, I hope things get better!)
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Regarding heat-moldable skates -- I tried a pair of Graf dance boots and I never thought they heat molded that well. I don't know... I followed their directions to mold them myself in the oven, but maybe I didn't get them hot enough. One of the other reasons I tried Grafs is because of all the hype about how light they were. Yes they were lighter, but I really didn't feel any difference or benefit due to the lighter skates. When I ordered my new SP-Teri boots, I didn't want any of that Clarino or other materials. I went back to good o' leather and I'm glad I did. They also told me that I can "heat mold" them in my convection oven (to some extent) and I did that. It worked about as well as heat molding my Grafs.
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My statements about the plastic layer and how it works are based on research I've done including looking at the layers in my boot where it's splitting apart... Sure, heat molding is easier than breaking in stock boots. But as I said, I don't like the idea of a plastic layer in my boots, simple as that. I'm not a fan of synthetic materials, generally. Heat molding is a shortcut alternative to a custom fitted boot, and regardless of how it may help a stock boot be broken in, it's just not on the same level as a boot made specifically for the shape of your individual foot. And I like to think I'm entitled to my own opinion, regardless of how long I've been skating. Feel free to have your own, and to disagree or agree as you see fit...I'm just sharing mine, not saying it's right for everyone, nor that it will never change with experience.
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I have no problem with Don expressing his opinion. He's actually quite fun when he really gets going! I think that heat molding has its uses and fans, and that's also quite alright. My kids skates are heat molded and their break in was much better than what I remember going through with stock boots.
Back on topic: Sorry, DBNY. What are you going to do for skates during the fixup?
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ETA: For what it's worth, the boots I wear DO NOT have a plastic layer for heat molding. So you may need to update your research.
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Instant result - I've had no pain since, and just wish I'd got them sooner as I'm now trying to catch back up to where I was before getting the new boots! They may not work for everyone of course. |
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I wear custom Klingbeils, this is my second pair, they are currently 3 years old. I have non-custom insoles (not Superfeet, but something similar) which helped a lot, have had them in from day 1. On my left foot I too have huge issues w/ outside edges & have major arch cookies under the insole in that boot. As the boots break down they twist slightly & I have to keep building up that arch more & more. It's working for now, I hope to get another year out of these boots.
Then I will face the dilemma of whether to stick w/ Klingbeil, which I do love. But I'm going to look around at others, including the new hinged boots from Jackson. If I do get another pair of Klingbeils, it will done with a trip to NY to talk to the man personally & show him the issues w/ the boot. |
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I'm having a lot of trouble breaking in the heat molded boots (I have the SP Teri Dance boot) -- I just can't get the crease and my ankles are starting to suffer (and the skating, well, arrrrggghhh!). They may be easier to break in -- the insides feel good and molded to my feet, but yikes -- the break-in is no easier than in the plain old leather types. Sorry to hi-jack this thread: but in regard to Casey's statement about heat-moldable boots just being a way to make stock boots easier to break in, I would beg to differ -- seems harder to me!! and another question is: the heat-moldable option (if it is an option) not available (or desired?) in a custom boot? I don't need a custom boot, so I guess I will never know... Thanks. Interesting discussion.
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"What it comes down to is that they are less supportive boots with a plastic layer in them that is melted to shape to your feet, then hardens to make up for the support the leather lacks in order to allow it to change shape. Yeah, this works alright and is cheaper than a custom fitting, but I'm not really a fan of having a plastic layer in my boots (and I have heat molded boots now)..." In fact, the process you have described is not the case in ALL boots. It is the case in the brand you wear. Far be it for me to tell people whose opinion to listen to and whose to disregard. But please be wary of posting generalizations that may be incorrect, when you know other people come here specifically seeking advice.
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"Gam pioneered the technique [of thermal-adjustable skates], and thermal skate moulding is now widely recognized within the industry. But Gam still leads the field because its boots leather components and their heat-retracting properties allow for remarkably precise and efficient boot adjustment." So there you have it. If you are still hunting for that "perfect" set of boots, you might want to give these a try. It took me very little time to break them in, and they aren't broken down at all after a year of competing in synchro and working on free skate. They FEEL like they are customs, even though they aren't. There is loads of padding throughout the boot, right down into the foot, so I don't have any discomfort. They get very sweaty due to all the padding, but when the padding warms up it actually forms to my foot, making them more comfortable. Here's their website if you are interested in more: http://www.gamskates.com.
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DBNY: are you going to get the same blades for your new skates?
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Also, a teenager at my rink was wearing a pair and had the sole come apart from the boot while she was on the ice. I know this is a common problem that happens to a lot of boot brands.....but let's not call any boot "perfect" - what's good for one skater is not necessarily good for another.
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