Why Non skating Parents must join club - Page 2

twokidsskatemom · #26 08-11-2007, 01:34 PM

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If you had read my OP, you'd see that I'm not quite sure why we require associate parents to join (probably just because "that's how it's done here"), but I support it because I don't believe we could do everything we do with mostly children as members. Also associate members don't really support the club (Presumably because they are doing stuff for their own club) and since a lot of club ice is subsidized by the club, I have no problem asking a higher membership rate. I'm also guessing the fact that you need to contract for ice is the legal reason we do it.

But just because you dont think a club can be run with skaters doesnt mean you are right in all cases.. All the clubs here are just skaters and we also have contract ice.
Our fees are higher, for a family of 3 its 140.00.
Lets remember all clubs arent run the same and one way itsnt better than another way.Just because that is the way your club does it doesnt mean its right for all clubs.We have a small club and that would inpact membership.
imo

jskater49 · #27 08-11-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by twokidsskatemom

But just because you dont think a club can be run with skaters doesnt mean you are right in all cases.. All the clubs here are just skaters and we also have contract ice.
Our fees are higher, for a family of 3 its 140.00.
Lets remember all clubs arent run the same and one way itsnt better than another way.Just because that is the way your club does it doesnt mean its right for all clubs.We have a small club and that would inpact membership.
imo

Um...I'm not saying everyone should do it our way, quite the contrary I've been feeling like some have been saying we shouldn't do it the way we do it. I thought what I've been trying to say is that a club has a right to make thier own rules.

j

twokidsskatemom · #28 08-11-2007, 03:43 PM

Yes, clubs can have their own rules. But you need to understand that it is off putting when an answer given is....
USFSA required it,,,, which is untrue.
or the answer.. that is how is done here. As a new member that answer is rude and not what a new member would like to hear. It is off putting and not friendly.
Come up with a nicer answer if your club really needs to follow that policy.

jskater49 · #29 08-11-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by twokidsskatemom

Yes, clubs can have their own rules. But you need to understand that it is off putting when an answer given is....
USFSA required it,,,, which is untrue.
or the answer.. that is how is done here. As a new member that answer is rude and not what a new member would like to hear. It is off putting and not friendly.
Come up with a nicer answer if your club really needs to follow that policy.

Okay, I'm don't even know what you are talking about because nobody at our club has said any of what you just said. I could easily say the reverse that if you encounter a club that does something different than what you are used to, it might seem rude to insist they justify every rule. Goes both ways. But I think I'm done here.

j

twokidsskatemom · #30 08-11-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jskater49

Wondering if anyone has an answer for this....

I'm the new membership chair. Like every club I've ever know, if the skater is under 18, parent must join club, even for associates. So I get this email from an associate member's mom saying she doesn't skate, she doesn't feel she needs to join. I pass this on to the president, figuring, it's not my place to fight over this. President sends nice email about how this give the skater a voice in the club, since being under 18 they can't vote or serve on the board but a parent can. Very nice except associate members don't vote. So now she's like "well why should I tell her the parent has to join?" I'm figuring there must be some legal reason. Just for practical reasons you can't run a club made up only of children....I'd just tell her "that's the rules, like it or lump it" but that's why I'm not the prez...

j

You are the one that said.. because its the way its done here, arent you ?

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If you had read my OP, you'd see that I'm not quite sure why we require associate parents to join (probably just because "that's how it's done here"), but I support it because I don't believe we could do everything we do with mostly children as members. Also associate members don't really support the club (Presumably because they are doing stuff for their own club) and since a lot of club ice is subsidized by the club, I have no problem asking a higher membership rate. I'm also guessing the fact that you need to contract for ice is the legal reason we do it.

That isnt a legal reason for doing it.

jskater49 · #31 08-11-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by twokidsskatemom

You are the one that said.. because its the way its done here, arent you ?

Sigh. When statements are taken out of context of the conversation, then it's pretty clear we are done here.

j

twokidsskatemom · #32 08-11-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jskater49

Sigh. When statements are taken out of context of the conversation, then it's pretty clear we are done here.

j

I am just trying to understand what your answer is if someone asks you as a membership chair?You are the one that asked the question..and you are the one that sssumed it was for a legal reason. As far as I know its not.
I just checked several large well know west coast clubs and they have no requirment for parent. Some have the OPTION of a parent, but dont make parent or family join.
You are also the one that said a club cant run on just skaters.It can and does for some clubs.Some clubs dont care if they have a huge rooster of non skaters.
Im not sure what I took out of content, let me know if I misquoted you.

CanAmSk8ter · #33 08-12-2007, 01:46 PM

I've been over 18 for awhile now, but I don't think my parents ever had to join either of my first two skating clubs unless they wanted to be on the board (they didn't

). My current club doesn't require parents to join either, unless they want to be on the board.

That said, I'm pretty sure I have heard of clubs having that requirement; I don't know what the reasoning behind it was. $80 for skater and one parent sounds more than reasonable to be from a financial standpoint, though; I belong to probably the least-expensive year-round club in our state, and it's $75 a year just for me!

twokidsskatemom · #34 08-12-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CanAmSk8ter

I've been over 18 for awhile now, but I don't think my parents ever had to join either of my first two skating clubs unless they wanted to be on the board (they didn't

). My current club doesn't require parents to join either, unless they want to be on the board.

That said, I'm pretty sure I have heard of clubs having that requirement; I don't know what the reasoning behind it was. $80 for skater and one parent sounds more than reasonable to be from a financial standpoint, though; I belong to probably the least-expensive year-round club in our state, and it's $75 a year just for me!

I would guess its is to get enrollment up as you do get more votes at gov council with more members. Its not the price that bothers me, its the answer that was given.Would rather have the truth than a whatver answer know what I mean?

Skate@Delaware · #35 08-12-2007, 02:32 PM

Our club has membership set at (and I'm using last year's figures here) at:
$20 associate membership (non-voting)
$50 full membership (voting and can serve on boards)

These prices do NOT include ice time.

We had several children that joined as associate members (you had to choose at least that and children were associate member's because of their age). Some of the parents chose to be associate members because our club was not their home club and this option is allowed. We also have some that choose full membership.

Because the ice is configured separately, it gets a bit confusing for new members. We did have one designation "non-skating" but we recently removed that because of the confusion....and just put it down as associate.

jskater49 · #36 08-12-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by twokidsskatemom

I would guess its is to get enrollment up as you do get more votes at gov council with more members. Its not the price that bothers me, its the answer that was given.Would rather have the truth than a whatver answer know what I mean?

We don't send anyone to the goverining council so no that's not the reason. And yes, we are concerned about the legalities of contract ice, so it is the truth, whether you agree with it or like it.

j

twokidsskatemom · #37 08-12-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jskater49

We don't send anyone to the goverining council so no that's not the reason. And yes, we are concerned about the legalities of contract ice, so it is the truth, whether you agree with it or like it.

j

Im sorry. I thought you said in the beginning you didnt know why ?
Lots of club have club ice but not all of them require a a parent to join.So either they are doing something illegal or you dont need a parent to purchase club ice.

jskater49 · #38 08-12-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by twokidsskatemom

Im sorry. I thought you said in the beginning you didnt know why ?
Lots of club have club ice but not all of them require a a parent to join.So either they are doing something illegal or you dont need a parent to purchase club ice.

I found out the answer after I posted. Our club prefers to deal with adults when it comes to contracting ice. I understand not all clubs feel this is necessary. We do. Like you said yourself, just because one club does it one way, not all clubs have to do it that way.

Now I promise, this is my last post--you are welcome to have the last word since you seem to be so insistent that we (and just about every other club within 100 miles from here) are wrong about this. It would be nice if you would not accuse us of dishonesty just because you disagree with our policy. I feel a little protective when my club is insulted. Other than that, you can be right.

j

twokidsskatemom · #39 08-12-2007, 05:22 PM

Im not sure why you think I thought your club was dishonest as I never said that.Can you point out where I said that please ? I said if someone gave me the answers you posted I woudnt think that was a club i would join
You came here and made comments like I just want to tell them that is they way it is and I dont know why we just do.You seemed very unsure of your answers.I NEVER said you were wrong, I DID say have a better answer than what you posted in your OP.
I dont care if your club makes parents join or not. Just understand all clubs dont and dont think it is like that everywhere.

Isk8NYC · #40 08-13-2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by twokidsskatemom

Im sorry. I thought you said in the beginning you didnt know why ?
Lots of club have club ice but not all of them require a a parent to join.So either they are doing something illegal or you dont need a parent to purchase club ice.

I think this post is what implied that the club was dishonest. I realize you meant that the OTHER clubs were doing something wrong, but that wasn't clearly stated.

I think this thread is dead, so I'm closing it down.

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