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Gold II Men at AN's...read this ASAP!
This is a plea on behalf of my clubmate. He's the Gold I who got "kicked" out of Adult Nationals for lack of competition.
First, if you are a Gold II Man who is skating at AN's, please e-mail Lori Osbourne at osbornel@msn.com and tell her that you want to be combined with Gold I. And if you are the Gold II man who doesn't want to add a Gold I, let me tell you....since his 35th birthday in November, all I've heard is how he's too old....one of your competitors is offering to buy you a drink before the competition if you're nervous. ![]() If you know the dissentor, please pass this to him. We want our friend to compete. Trust me, with Burt and Chris in your group, you have nothing to worry about with a Gold I. Especially one who still can't do a consistent axel as he recovers from injuries.... |
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Sent a letter to Lori today, did the best I could to help you out. See PM
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Yeah, this is going to be one of the best events in KC. I am very much looking forward to it. And I have heard about you, but I didn't want to put in "starskate6.0 on skateforums" in my message.
![]() Yeah, a certain Gold II man and I are on the warpath, lol. Seriously, the three of us are clubmates and support each other! ![]() |
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Run for the money
I wish that the Adult skaters were more supportive, especially the Gold Men. Come on.... there are few of us Nationwide anyway and we can use a little commaradarie!
![]() I was the target on this forum a few weeks ago. Many negative comments about me when someone hacked into my website and starting changing my site around and setting up a mirrored site that re-directed them to another site. ![]() Now come on...it had to take a huge effort to do that...and why? I am guilty of self-promotion, but if they took the time to practice harder instead of worrying about what I was doing, and hacking my website to discredit me and try to get me disqualified, maybe they would skate better. I am not going to name the offender(s), but it is in legal action. ![]() What has the adult skating world come to? Will I need a body guard at AN? Let's hope not! I have met mostly nice and supportive adult skaters and hope we can weed out those who are in the minority. Thanks to those who know me and realized that it was out of character for me and defended me on this forum. ![]() ![]() Lives to Skate (Burton) |
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A sad correlation here: as the quality of adult skating has improved, the more we resemble the kids.
I've always felt the primary difference in the standard and adult track has been the support of our fellow skaters. This should also include the support of existing rules and individual's decisions. If we're going to become a program that estinguishes this support and through this and other actions discourages those starting as adults, we may as well skate with the kids. |
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All adult skaters should work hard to improve their skills to show the rest of the skating community that we are just as competitive and talented as the rest of the skating world. Plus we have expendable income. And as the baby boomers grow older we should see an increase in adult skaters, not the reverse. If there is a decline we have to look at the reasons why there is fall-out.
The ISU's endorsement of Adult competitions is a HUGE milestone for Adult Skaters worldwide! We should grab this opportunity to show what we are and set an example to the rest of the world! |
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Yes, I agree with flo. You may not particularly like this person's decision, but you should still respect it. It was his decision to make. I know it's disappointing that your clubmate can't skate, but sometimes that's the way it goes. I've been cancelled out of several events at comps before too. It sucks, but you just try again next year.
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This is coming from someone who's been watching competitive adult skating for years from the sidelines and working towards becoming a competitor herself.
My first thoughts at reading about this is that I just don't understand why anyone would do such a thing. Over here where I skate, a lot of us shrug and think "We're adults! Chances are good we'll never go to the Olympics! We're probably never gonna end up on the Wheaties box (getting paid for endorsements.) At the end of the day, whether we win or not, we're all gonna go back to our lives outside of the rink!" (The tone was matter-of-fact and casual.) Then we all *sigh* and get back to our task of either practicing or rushing out of the rink to get to work. So given that, I don't get all the hoopla that is surrounding some of these guys that are hacking into Burt's website or the reasoning behind the one guy that won't let SkateGuard's friend compete with the Adult Gold II men. I just don't. ![]()
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Cheers, jazzpants 11-04-2006: Shredded "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" Club Membership card!!! ![]() Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible" (Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???) ![]() Thank you for the support, you guys!!! ![]() Last edited by jazzpants; 04-01-2005 at 11:12 AM. |
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Please, to the person who won't agree to let Skateguard's class I friend skate in class II -- please reconsider! He's a great guy and we want him to come to AN!
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![]() ![]() This was just a responce to try and help out a fellow skater who wanted to skate his freestyle. All I did was wright to Lori and ask her to contact the gold II skater iinvolved and ask him to re-concider . ![]() However, if the skater decides to stick to his desision then thats all we can do and he is within his rights to do so. This whole post has nothing to do with Burt. Im looking forward to the event and seeing Burt on the ice. I want to see every one skate. ![]() |
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Lives to Skate - I was the one that first brought your website to skatingforum's attention long before certain "incriminating" information was erased and changed. No one hacked into your website. Just own up to the fact that you are guilty of wanting hype around your comeback by creating stories to make you larger than "life" in Gold level skating. It's just ridiculous K Chaiko |
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![]() I _do_ respect the rules. He was given an option, and he made a decision. However, we feel that this decision is _not_ an adult-friendly, supportive decision. All we want to do is reach out to this guy and ask him to reconsider, considering that my friend is 35 and not in medal contention. I think his decision was made without all the facts, so I don't think it was an educated choice. If that means I'm not respecting his decision, color me guilty. ![]() This isn't about medals, it's about keeping the adult skating movement focused on participation. And if we just say "oh, well, there's always next year," well, what happens if the same guy does it again to a different Gold I in Dallas? We are trying to make an unfortunate situation be a victory for adult skating, okay? Look, if this guy changes his mind, he'll be the hero of 2005 AN's, and he won't even have to skate. Sk8ter1964, the Masters Interp II guys didn't have issues, so he will be at Nationals. I'm even sewing him a new costume, I mean, outfit. (Sheesh, these straight men can't even wear a "costume," lol.) flo and skaternum, you have no idea what my friend is like. He's the sweetest, most unassuming guy you will ever meet. He's had a lot of dumb-luck things like this happen to him in skating--to a point where he's told me he's quitting several times. My clubmate and I have to at least try to get him in Gold II, to show him that he is an important part of the skating community. Because right now, I don't think he realizes that he does belong. If this doesn't work out, well, I tried. I just can't accept not trying. |
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I, too, hope that the skater in question changes his mind - after all, I'm coming all the way from England to watch the skating, and it would be very sad to see someone sitting out when they didn't have to!
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I believe Lices to Skate posted that he's a Class 3, so he wasn't even contacted
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Yeah, we assumed II because he looks so youthful!
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I don't know who the hell any of you are discussing, but I think it would be really unfortunate if anyone is made to feel bad because they were following the rules of the game. It's ironic that you all are claiming to try to maintain an adult-friendly atmosphere, and in the same breath are NOT supporting a competitor who was well within his rights to make the decision he made. Thank goodness I'm in Masters and out of all of this. We never have sandbagging issues (because by the nature of Masters, you can't move up and out anyway!), are all very supportive of each other, and don't seem to have as many issues as the other levels. I never hear Masters Ladies or Men complaining on this thread about anything. Last edited by manleywoman; 04-02-2005 at 11:05 AM. |
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![]() In all honesty, it's for the best for my friend not to compete, but I wouldn't be a good friend if I just let it go. (Especially since he's been threatening to quit because of silly stuff like this! It validates that he doesn't belong in adult skating. ![]() BTW, let me explain this scenario one more time. There is _no_ sandbagging here. It is an _age group_ combination--a completely different issue. There is not a huge difference between a I and a III--check out the champ gold groups--so there is almost a "what's his problem" situation, rather than a lack of respect. Had it been a level combination, this would be a totally different story--even my friend would refuse to skate silver or masters novice--he's a gold. Personally, I have a hard time respecting any decision that is made based on assumptions. And in this case, I'd bet this guy assumed that this Gold I would beat him....did I mention the crutches, the bone chip fracture? But I can't make that assumption either. We've seen the way Lori contacted the Gold II men...our clubmate, who is a Gold II, didn't realize that the Gold I was the guy he skates with three days a week until we told him. So we know that the guys were not informed how old the Gold I is.... Here's the other kicker....there were 3 Gold I's to originally sign up, but the other two withdrew due to injuries. So, for the sophomoric peanut gallery....what do you think they should have done? Personally, given the age of my friend (35), I would have just combined the group without consent. Had he been even 34, then it would be different. Gosh, had he been _10 months_ older, this would be a moot point. Jazzpants, awesome post...ITA, totally. I so want you to get those MIF/FS tests passed so you can join us! You understand the true spirit of adult skating! ![]() Last edited by SkateGuard; 04-02-2005 at 12:29 PM. |
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I know Skateguard's friend, but I don't know who the other guy is. Don't particularly want to know, either. If I did know who it was, I wouldn't blame him for his decision - who knows? I might have done the same thing in his skates. It is AN, and not some local comp. Glad your friend will be there anyway in the interp, Skateguard!
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![]() However, he had to also chase down the LOC to find out what's going on--he wasn't told anything and nearly would have arrived and discovered that there was no point in coming. And no, they haven't given him his $$ back.... |
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Tried to help
I would like to cut through the confusion here,( perhapes Im the only one confused
![]() 2. It may be too late anyway but I gave it a go. 3. The gold II skater who said no, is quite within his right to stick to his desision and I will go along with that ruleing if that is the case and respect that desision. 4. I don't believe there is any "bad" feelings or atttitudes here, just a bunch of people who would like to see someone get the chance to skate the freestyle program he worked on. 5. If he does not get to skate at least he has the Interp, ( much more fun anyway"). 6. I would like to see everyone skate but in KC I will be cheering for all of you. Im in KC tonight for an overnight on my job.....( stuck in hotel at the airport. ![]() |
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We don't know _why_ this guy said no. But I'm not "name-calling." (Did I call him a moron? No. I said that he would "_feel_ stupid," because this is a guy who is not competitive in Gold II. Hey, I could be totally wrong about his feelings, I'm just suggesting. And I don't have to be right all the time--unlike some people here.) However, I am very frustrated at the situation because it doesn't make sense. Just like the goof who "doctored" Burt's website (nice comparison, jazzpants). I think too, that for me, I am intimately involved on one side of a situation. And it has been a very difficult eight months for both of us. To work so hard and be denied access on a fluke scenario--it is very frustrating. I believe this has happened this year to two other skaters--a Junior Masters man and a Senior Masters I lady. Obviously, a contingent plan needs to be set up for AN's so that everyone who signs up gets to skate (exhibition, critique,...). Now I'm talking about future years, not this year.... Why do I get the feeling that I need to be on the Adult Committee.... |
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I don't mean to belittle you or be nasty about this. I just think you need to go through the appropriate channels about this -- the referee and LOC -- and not be so public about it, because what I have read on the various message boards on the subject has been disrespectful to the Gold Man who made his decision based on the rules. Last edited by daisies; 04-03-2005 at 12:09 PM. |
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skateguard,
Your friend's personality is not in question. Like Starskate has said, the gold man was offered a choice and made it. It was his decision. Weather it's about "medals" or "performances" for each individual is not a factor. It is a competition which we all entered under a well established set of guidelines. |
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